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Post: # 1991822Post saynta »

from the age.com.au

"AFL: The rapid transformation of Jack Steele into not only one of the AFL’s elite midfielders, but the Saints’ spiritual leader has been one of the more noteworthy storylines of the past couple of years. Steele sets the standards and lives up to those standards every time he sets foot on a footy ground. With two All-Australians and two best-and-fairests in his back pocket, he commands respect in everything that he does.

AFLW: Sharpshooter Kate Shierlaw and captain Hannah Priest are perhaps the more notable faces of the team but it’s Bianca Jakobsson who embodies so much of the Saints’ fighting spirit. The 29-year-old took a break from the game in 2020 and wasn’t sure if she would return, but then slotted straight into the team in 2021. She plays her heart out for the team each week, which earned her the club’s best and fairest last season. And you’d be hard-pressed to find a game in the last year where she wasn’t one of the best.


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Spiritual leader, best player and sets the standard

But should be replaced as Captain according to some experts on here?!

I rate Steele in the top 3 captains in the AFL

Two way runner - courageous as fk


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Post: # 1991956Post happy feet »

B.M wrote: Fri 06 Jan 2023 1:20pm Spiritual leader, best player and sets the standard

But should be replaced as Captain according to some experts on here?!

I rate Steele in the top 3 captains in the AFL

Two way runner - courageous as fk
Yes the notion of replacing Jack Steele as Captain, as touted by some on here, is possibly the stupidest suggestion I have witnessed on this site.


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Post: # 1991958Post saynta »

happy feet wrote: Sun 08 Jan 2023 3:31pm
B.M wrote: Fri 06 Jan 2023 1:20pm Spiritual leader, best player and sets the standard

But should be replaced as Captain according to some experts on here?!

I rate Steele in the top 3 captains in the AFL

Two way runner - courageous as fk
Yes the notion of replacing Jack Steele as Captain, as touted by some on here, is possibly the stupidest suggestion I have witnessed on this site.
Well would come close, after the continuous bagging of players like Hunter Clark. No E FFS


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Post: # 1991959Post shanegrambeau »

I don't know what the remit of a Captain is these days.

Sets a great example?
Steele 9/10
Extremely good.

Set by example?
Steele ???/10

As I say, I don't know what the remit is,
But I will say this,
Our players did not follow that example.
On-field leadership was woeful as a whole.

Not unlike this forum, where we all try to set a good example, but somehow, it all falls apart.


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Post: # 1991963Post B.M »

How many wins vs losses did Steele play in last season?

He played the front half which we won 8 from 11

Missed 5 with injury

Have to look at the numbers

But Steele seemed to be doing his job as Captain


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Post: # 1991966Post Scollop »

B.M wrote: Sun 08 Jan 2023 4:39pm How many wins vs losses did Steele play in last season?

He played the front half which we won 8 from 11

Missed 5 with injury

Have to look at the numbers

But Steele seemed to be doing his job as Captain
Jack didn’t play rounds 10 and 11 when we won against Adelaide and then North Melbourne, just before the bye

He missed the losses against Brisbane and Essendon and returned (underdone and too early imo) against the Swans which we also lost

He played a total of 18 games for the year and it was an even split. We won 9 and lost 9 with him playing. Doesn’t tell you much and probably more indicative of the team’s fortunes overall for 2022

He usually has an influence in games and his numbers are elite. Rarely out of the votes.

I think he’d have gone close to another TBM if he didn’t get injured. Absolute role model

What we need from Steeley as a captain is a little more on field talking when things aren’t going our way.

That doesn’t mean he wins games all by himself. Make an effort to get in the ear of a team mate. He just needs to learn how to inspire others and learn to show leadership when required

Make an effort to change momentum and take control instead of letting others (including coaches do it for you).


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well we have a few that are now coaching assistants


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Scollop wrote: Sun 08 Jan 2023 5:19pm

What we need from Steeley as a captain is a little more on field talking when things aren’t going our way.

That doesn’t mean he wins games all by himself. Make an effort to get in the ear of a team mate. He just needs to learn how to inspire others and learn to show leadership when required

Agree, is his area of needed improvement. Has probably taken a season to understand as Captain he can't just look after his own game.


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Post: # 1991980Post B.M »

Captains who lead by example inspired me

Not ones who made speeches or tried to tell people what to do… they just s*** me!

Steele is the obvious captain

Look elsewhere for issues imo


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Vortex would find fault with JC if he was wearing red white and black.


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You would be hard pressed to find anyone who said JC was a good footballer.


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Seb Ross.


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B.M wrote: Sun 08 Jan 2023 6:43pm Captains who lead by example inspired me

Not ones who made speeches or tried to tell people what to do… they just s*** me!

Steele is the obvious captain

Look elsewhere for issues imo
Yes, he has to lead by example and perform and do all the physical stuff, but when you have a young group and some guys like Higgins, Butler, Hill, or Wood from other clubs who have had poor form at times, then he has to do more than just look after his own game.

It doesn’t have to be lectures and sermons

Sometimes it’s just a look in the eyes and a nod….or sometimes it’s your captain walking up to you and saying ‘I trust you’ when you’re lining up for goal. I want to see him walk up to Max when Max has kicked 4 behinds in a row and tell Max ‘you got this’.

I’ve seen him stand back at times and let things unfold. He needs to get around his team mates and they will respond


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I’m pretty sure he speaks to players on and off the field


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Classic BM


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Post: # 1992083Post Teflon »

Scollop wrote: Mon 09 Jan 2023 10:44am
B.M wrote: Sun 08 Jan 2023 6:43pm Captains who lead by example inspired me

Not ones who made speeches or tried to tell people what to do… they just s*** me!

Steele is the obvious captain

Look elsewhere for issues imo
Yes, he has to lead by example and perform and do all the physical stuff, but when you have a young group and some guys like Higgins, Butler, Hill, or Wood from other clubs who have had poor form at times, then he has to do more than just look after his own game.

It doesn’t have to be lectures and sermons

Sometimes it’s just a look in the eyes and a nod….or sometimes it’s your captain walking up to you and saying ‘I trust you’ when you’re lining up for goal. I want to see him walk up to Max when Max has kicked 4 behinds in a row and tell Max ‘you got this’.

I’ve seen him stand back at times and let things unfold. He needs to get around his team mates and they will respond
It irks me to say it…I agree
Captains at times need to be visible in leading from front
Steele has sulked it up at times this year (I can understand when you don’t believe in the game plan your cuddly coach is employing) but no doubt there are times when he needed to step up for the team
It’s not about whispering in the showers …sometimes you have to demonstrate leadership overtly


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Steele sulked

Yeah right, that is absurd and the most ridiculous thing ever written on SS in 20 years!

I’d like you to come up with one example?

He is actually the last player you can bag, you do realise that

Or do his 2 B&Fs and Dual AA jackets mean FA too??

He actually earned the most Brownlow votes in the AFL in 2021/2022

Led the league in tackles and is rated the best 2 way midfielder in the game

And he’s sulking - when does he get time between his 28 disposals, 8 clearances, and 7 tackles a game???

FFS

What a joke


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B.M wrote: Mon 09 Jan 2023 11:22pm Steele sulked

Yeah right, that is absurd and the most ridiculous thing ever written on SS in 20 years!

I’d like you to come up with one example?

He is actually the last player you can bag, you do realise that

Or do his 2 B&Fs and Dual AA jackets mean FA too??

He actually earned the most Brownlow votes in the AFL in 2021/2022

Led the league in tackles and is rated the best 2 way midfielder in the game

And he’s sulking - when does he get time between his 28 disposals, 8 clearances, and 7 tackles a game???

FFS

What a joke
Try to get to more games and watch for yourself
Do your homework less opinion from useless stats and Herald Sun


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Post: # 1992187Post Scollop »

I've never seen Jack sulk

I know a few fans and players sulked when he was promoted to captain


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Post: # 1992196Post Saintmike65 »

Haven’t got a problem with Steel as captain but wouldn’t mind seeing Wilkie as a co captain, as he’s far more vocal but also leads by example.
We need to change the leadership group a bit to try & get more impact & accountability on game day.


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Teffers

You need to take a look at the stats, because just watching the game isn’t giving you a clue

Steele is a gun who works his guts out both offensively and defensively

Love an example of sulking that you suggest?!


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B.M wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 9:26am Teffers

You need to take a look at the stats, because just watching the game isn’t giving you a clue

Steele is a gun who works his guts out both offensively and defensively

Love an example of sulking that you suggest?!
Sorry Marty but you only see stats
Steele is a gun - again not the topic so knock yourself out convincing all of that moot point
I’ll get back k to you when I track down “sulky stats” cause I know you’ll understand those.


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Post: # 1992280Post happy feet »

Teflon wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 4:50pm
B.M wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 9:26am Teffers

You need to take a look at the stats, because just watching the game isn’t giving you a clue

Steele is a gun who works his guts out both offensively and defensively

Love an example of sulking that you suggest?!
Sorry Marty but you only see stats
Steele is a gun - again not the topic so knock yourself out convincing all of that moot point
I’ll get back k to you when I track down “sulky stats” cause I know you’ll understand those.
I have never seen Jack Steele sulk. Me thinks you need to get to Specsavers.


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happy feet wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 5:56pm
Teflon wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 4:50pm
B.M wrote: Tue 10 Jan 2023 9:26am Teffers

You need to take a look at the stats, because just watching the game isn’t giving you a clue

Steele is a gun who works his guts out both offensively and defensively

Love an example of sulking that you suggest?!
Sorry Marty but you only see stats
Steele is a gun - again not the topic so knock yourself out convincing all of that moot point
I’ll get back k to you when I track down “sulky stats” cause I know you’ll understand those.
I have never seen Jack Steele sulk. Me thinks you need to get to Specsavers.
Oh I have seen by Jack drop the lip and not the only one whose noticed it
Perhaps you need to remove those rose coloured glasses ??
They’re all humans no matter how much we pedestal them..


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