New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Clearly the forward line is our biggest weakness, is wishful thinking our only saviour or have we employed miracle workers in the off season refresh ?
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Yes.saynta wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 6:07pmSome posts are better off ignored.B.M wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 5:17pm How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
However, then you miss gems like: "... the potential to be capable of being selected in a side .."
and being told Membrey, Owens, Gresham and Billings are not AFL standard.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Until Hayes is back, maybe Campbell to add some structure and bring the ball to ground. Also maybe Battle as the other key target. Marshall to rest deep forward.
Can’t think who else there is of enough size and strength. Sharman’s more a Membrey apprentice at this stage and I don’t see either as genuine key forwards. Good or potentially good players, but not the right size, strength or physicality for that role.
Any other option may be Howard. Seem to recall him kicking a bag for Power once. But that would leave us without a full back.
Can’t think who else there is of enough size and strength. Sharman’s more a Membrey apprentice at this stage and I don’t see either as genuine key forwards. Good or potentially good players, but not the right size, strength or physicality for that role.
Any other option may be Howard. Seem to recall him kicking a bag for Power once. But that would leave us without a full back.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Yep....we've had poor coaches for most of our 150 year existence., not now though, we have the best coach ever, watch the flags roll in.The Fireman wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 4:32pmpoor coaching will do thatVortex wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 10:30amThe last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.
I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.
There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Yeah we beat Geelong in R14 back in 2009, that was a great win...how would we have gone against Geelong when it mattered, could you have seen this list stand up agaisnt them in the GF this year?B.M wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 5:17pm How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
It may be that Lyon will use Higgins as his main go to forward much as he used Milne in 2010 when Riewoldt was out injured for 10 weeksbigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 12:15am Until Hayes is back, maybe Campbell to add some structure and bring the ball to ground. Also maybe Battle as the other key target. Marshall to rest deep forward.
Can’t think who else there is of enough size and strength. Sharman’s more a Membrey apprentice at this stage and I don’t see either as genuine key forwards. Good or potentially good players, but not the right size, strength or physicality for that role.
Any other option may be Howard. Seem to recall him kicking a bag for Power once. But that would leave us without a full back.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Not the worst idea, but we’re still going to need someone to split packs when the ball comes in haphazardly … as it no doubt often will. A strong, physical contesting type.one point wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 8:55amIt may be that Lyon will use Higgins as his main go to forward much as he used Milne in 2010 when Riewoldt was out injured for 10 weeksbigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 12:15am Until Hayes is back, maybe Campbell to add some structure and bring the ball to ground. Also maybe Battle as the other key target. Marshall to rest deep forward.
Can’t think who else there is of enough size and strength. Sharman’s more a Membrey apprentice at this stage and I don’t see either as genuine key forwards. Good or potentially good players, but not the right size, strength or physicality for that role.
Any other option may be Howard. Seem to recall him kicking a bag for Power once. But that would leave us without a full back.
But Higgins does have many of the attributes of a good key forward. Knows where to lead, good overhead mark and kicks opportunist goals.
Just needs another 15cm height and 15kg in weight.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Well, Cooper Sharman and Jack Hayes are going to get plenty of opportunities to show what they are capable of next season.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Guess who???
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
A one J Bruce would have been handy now.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Remember, Craig O'Brien? i think he went on to Sydney after us. I hope Higgins can be like that kind of player too. Can leap and mark.bigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 9:55amNot the worst idea, but we’re still going to need someone to split packs when the ball comes in haphazardly … as it no doubt often will. A strong, physical contesting type.one point wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 8:55amIt may be that Lyon will use Higgins as his main go to forward much as he used Milne in 2010 when Riewoldt was out injured for 10 weeksbigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 12:15am Until Hayes is back, maybe Campbell to add some structure and bring the ball to ground. Also maybe Battle as the other key target. Marshall to rest deep forward.
Can’t think who else there is of enough size and strength. Sharman’s more a Membrey apprentice at this stage and I don’t see either as genuine key forwards. Good or potentially good players, but not the right size, strength or physicality for that role.
Any other option may be Howard. Seem to recall him kicking a bag for Power once. But that would leave us without a full back.
But Higgins does have many of the attributes of a good key forward. Knows where to lead, good overhead mark and kicks opportunist goals.
Just needs another 15cm height and 15kg in weight.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Howardshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 1:01pm Guess who???
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Yep, we’ll done Big Carl!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 2:59pmHowardshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 1:01pm Guess who???
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
Whaddaya reckon…he sooked up at Port cos he wanted to be down back. They let him go! Respect! Now Mr Boss Ross has gotta tell him, my way or the highway too! No more nice guy!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 8:12pmYep, we’ll done Big Carl!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 2:59pmHowardshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 1:01pm Guess who???
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
Whaddaya reckon…he sooked up at Port cos he wanted to be down back. They let him go! Respect! Now Mr Boss Ross has gotta tell him, my way or the highway too! No more nice guy!
Interesting. Who would play full back?
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Fair question.bigcarl wrote: ↑Sun 11 Dec 2022 12:30amshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 8:12pmYep, we’ll done Big Carl!bigcarl wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 2:59pmHowardshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 1:01pm Guess who???
Tall developing forward who provides an excellent target inside 50. Overhead marking is a strength and once he takes front position it is difficult for defenders to spoil. Possesses an excellent vertical leap while also showing elite leg speed for a player of his size. Played senior footy with the Wagga Tigers in 2013.
GWS Giants Academy player. Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
National Recruiting Manager Geoff Parker
“(—-)played forward and back during the year, but we see him as a key forward who can go in the ruck and provide relief in the ruck,” Port Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Geoff Parker told portadelaidefc.com.au immediately after the draft. He played for NSW/ACT in the national championships and had a very solid season.”
Whaddaya reckon…he sooked up at Port cos he wanted to be down back. They let him go! Respect! Now Mr Boss Ross has gotta tell him, my way or the highway too! No more nice guy!
Interesting. Who would play full back?
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We don't know if Doogs made a deal with St Kilda, some thing like, 'Hey, listen!, I don't wanna play forward"..but we assume St Kilda knew why he was pissed off with Port Adelaide. And by the way, it makes me respect Ken Hinkley all the more..Ken said, 'you do what I tell you to do', to which Doogs evidently said, 'f...you..I am checking out.'.
I honestly don't imagine Doogs will go forward, but I damn sure hope Ross is still that "nasty-pasty" he once was. The pasty with the burnt crust and the dried sawdust inside...not really, but I hope there is still some juice in the rocket. The US put a man on the moon. We can make the grand final.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
The Fireman wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 4:32pmpoor coaching will do thatVortex wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 10:30amThe last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.
I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.
There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.
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You don’t like Ross??Vortex wrote: ↑Sat 10 Dec 2022 8:19amYep....we've had poor coaches for most of our 150 year existence., not now though, we have the best coach ever, watch the flags roll in.The Fireman wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 4:32pmpoor coaching will do thatVortex wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 10:30amThe last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.
I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.
There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.
Who should it be oh wise one??
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
I hope we stick Sharman at Full Forward and he gets told to play on instinct.
If he gets it 4 times he will slot them.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
George Young was only 185cm
But so was Dick Clay and Frank Gumbleton
and Southby was 188, David Dench 191
Do we now agree that the key forward has to be a lanky bean stork?
Are there examples of short forward lines? Yes - like Collingwood and the Bulldogs, but they seem to be very mobile.
But so was Dick Clay and Frank Gumbleton
and Southby was 188, David Dench 191
Do we now agree that the key forward has to be a lanky bean stork?
Are there examples of short forward lines? Yes - like Collingwood and the Bulldogs, but they seem to be very mobile.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
I guess you make the most of what you have got. Find ways of scoring with the best available forwards.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 16 Dec 2022 9:52pm George Young was only 185cm
But so was Dick Clay and Frank Gumbleton
and Southby was 188, David Dench 191
Do we now agree that the key forward has to be a lanky bean stork?
Are there examples of short forward lines? Yes - like Collingwood and the Bulldogs, but they seem to be very mobile.
As a general trend though, footballers are taller than they were in the 1970s. Defenders are taller. People in general are taller.
1966 premiership ruckman Alan Morrow was 183cm (6 ft). Captain and chf Darrel Baldock was 179cm (5 ft 10 in).
Doc would play as a midfielder nowadays probably.
It’s not always possible, but ideally your key-position posts are held by key-position-sized players. Otherwise you get mismatches, like a boxer fighting outside of his weight division,
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
I think Howard must accept he has to spend some time there. But will Ross have the nerve? If he has lost his authority or decided that he will be a softer modern guy?
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Players were shorter across the board. Midfielders and wingman were smaller compared to today. 6 foot plus is the minimum standard today while 50 years ago it would have been considered tall.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 16 Dec 2022 9:52pm George Young was only 185cm
But so was Dick Clay and Frank Gumbleton
and Southby was 188, David Dench 191
Do we now agree that the key forward has to be a lanky bean stork?
Are there examples of short forward lines? Yes - like Collingwood and the Bulldogs, but they seem to be very mobile.
It was a different era with different demographics. The population is taller today.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
yeah, but what I'm suggesting is that a key forward not be necessarily taller than the key back. George was no giant by 1975 standards. And lets not forget Silvagni and Barks. Barks could be full-forward or full-back. (but he could fly like an angel) and he wasn't that tallSaintPav wrote: ↑Sun 18 Dec 2022 12:21amPlayers were shorter across the board. Midfielders and wingman were smaller compared to today. 6 foot plus is the minimum standard today while 50 years ago it would have been considered tall.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 16 Dec 2022 9:52pm George Young was only 185cm
But so was Dick Clay and Frank Gumbleton
and Southby was 188, David Dench 191
Do we now agree that the key forward has to be a lanky bean stork?
Are there examples of short forward lines? Yes - like Collingwood and the Bulldogs, but they seem to be very mobile.
It was a different era with different demographics. The population is taller today.
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