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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Sharman, Battle and Membrey as the mobile taller forward options - teach those up the field to deliver the ball to those presenting options not just bomb it in
This might actually be a beneficial excercise to change habits going forward when Max returns
This might actually be a beneficial excercise to change habits going forward when Max returns
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Ratts and the other coaches (who are gone) had organised those tactics.
If they didn't design it, well they didn't do enough to reverse it and change habits.
Either way, it's on them.
New coaches, new ideas.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:11pm Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
No chance, we will be in receivership, the AFL will be growing broke and a massive global financial turn down will happen long before then.Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:55pmAt the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:11pm Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Gotta admit, Kane Cornes’ Josh Kennedy idea isn’t too bad haha
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
It's a shitt idea
Reeks of desperation
Short term solutions are why we haven't played deep into September for 12 years
Reeks of desperation
Short term solutions are why we haven't played deep into September for 12 years
Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Imo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half egVortex wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:55pmAt the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:11pm Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Owens is remarkably strong and pretty good overhead. Not a bad choice to play a fair chunk of time up forward
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
I think Billings could be one of the first players Lyon moves on.nobhead wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 7:47pmImo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half egVortex wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:55pmAt the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:11pm Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens
Other than that it's a very VFL forward line.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
It 'aint half bad, is it.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:29pm Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.
Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.
Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
The departed coaches either had no idea, or couldn't get buy-in from the group.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 12:27amIt 'aint half bad, is it.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:29pm Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.
Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.
Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.
I might be deluded, but I have high hopes that RTB/Banger/Lenny/BJ combo can and will turn our brave heroes
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
The buy in factor is real I suspect, given the review. But like the Aussie cricket team and Langer, one's skin starts to crawl when you think about the tail wagging the dog.WellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 2:28amThe departed coaches either had no idea, or couldn't get buy-in from the group.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 12:27amIt 'aint half bad, is it.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:29pm Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.
Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.
Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.
I might be deluded, but I have high hopes that RTB/Banger/Lenny/BJ combo can and will turn our brave heroesinto an awesome fighting unit like the 303 Squadron in the Battle of Britain.
(The Fairey Battle was unfairly maligned)
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
For a group of players who have performed incredibly poorly for the past 2 years what proven performances are you leveraging from? What have you seen that makes you confident this group of players will turn into a premiership team?B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:29pm Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Incredibly poorly
Have we finished bottom 4 in the last two years
I’ll have to check the numbers??
Btw
Gresham and Billing both had long term injuries over the last two seasons
Have we finished bottom 4 in the last two years
I’ll have to check the numbers??
Btw
Gresham and Billing both had long term injuries over the last two seasons
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We were a 5/10 team. That's not poor. That is 'C' grade. Moreover, I don't think the knock on us was for lack of talent up forward, it was for lack of discipline, poor organization and weak system in there. The midfield might have been bottom flourish given the injuries to Gresh, Clark etc. and/or the susceptibility to injury or unavailability of Jones, Paddy and Roma. Basically, out forwards are not short of talent.Vortex wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 7:36amFor a group of players who have performed incredibly poorly for the past 2 years what proven performances are you leveraging from? What have you seen that makes you confident this group of players will turn into a premiership team?B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:29pm Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size
Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50
Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30
Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
The last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.
I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.
There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.
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poor coaching will do thatVortex wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 10:30amThe last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.
I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.
There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Some posts are better off ignored.B.M wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 5:17pm How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
It’s getting that way isn’t itsaynta wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 6:07pmSome posts are better off ignored.B.M wrote: ↑Fri 09 Dec 2022 5:17pm How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances
When we finished 9th or 10th
Are we talking individual games??!!
In that case
We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances
You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season
You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage
I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons
Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!
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oh ffs.Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 10:12pmI think Billings could be one of the first players Lyon moves on.nobhead wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 7:47pmImo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half egVortex wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:55pmAt the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 08 Dec 2022 5:11pm Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward
Hayes
Coming off a injury
Campbell
Only a bear in the square
Membrey
Valuable as a link
Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward
Wood
Plays as a mid size
Higgins a small forward
Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers
Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings
Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross
Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie
Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield
23rd man
Owens
Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens
Other than that it's a very VFL forward line.
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Re: New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??
Pretty decent VFL team
Jack Steele would go alright down at TBBO
Last time I watched JB play VFL he got 53 touches
Jack Steele would go alright down at TBBO
Last time I watched JB play VFL he got 53 touches