Paul Roos on Lyon's appointment

[cwrcyn]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

[Vortex]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about the key to a coaches success is a talented list and that without it you are just like all the other failed coaches?

[Teflon]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about the key to a coaches success is a talented list and that without it you are just like all the other failed coaches?

He did.
Said Ross is the key and the light
Through him all shall be revealed
For the night is dark and full of terrors
Worth a listen
Also suggested Sharman to play 200 and receive life membership

[Vortex]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about the key to a coaches success is a talented list and that without it you are just like all the other failed coaches?

He did.
Said Ross is the key and the light
Through him all shall be revealed
For the night is dark and full of terrors
Worth a listen
Also suggested Sharman to play 200 and receive life membership

Sharman who?

[The G Train Legacy]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about the key to a coaches success is a talented list and that without it you are just like all the other failed coaches?

He did.
Said Ross is the key and the light
Through him all shall be revealed
For the night is dark and full of terrors
Worth a listen
Also suggested Sharman to play 200 and receive life membership

Sharman is a jet, don't understand the lack of enthusiasm for him.

[Yorkeys]

Lack of enthusiasm?
Look up in the sky,
is it a bird, is it a plane, no;
It's the Sharman,
Cooper Sharman that is, and he has the ball, he slots the goal.

[spert]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

[Vortex]

Lack of enthusiasm?
Look up in the sky,
is it a bird, is it a plane, no;
It's the Sharman,
Cooper Sharman that is, and he has the ball, he slots the goal.

Anyone who can kick goal from the backine in the Sandy side is absolutely a super hero.

[Saints58]

well what abut Leinert he kicked one from the half back line should have kept him was very valuable.

[SaintPav]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

Yeah right.

[bobmurray]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about his complete failure as an advisor to Norf's brain's trust ?

[cwrcyn]

Roos wasn't given the scope that he had at Melbourne and left in the second year of the agreement because it was expressed to him that his input wasn't really required.

[Teflon]

Interview on Zerohanger. Talks about Lyon late in the interview

Basically said Essendon and Carlton made an error in not appointing Lyon

Emphatic about Lyon's ability to get the very best out of players and setting the highest possible standards.

Did he say anything about the key to a coaches success is a talented list and that without it you are just like all the other failed coaches?

He did.
Said Ross is the key and the light
Through him all shall be revealed
For the night is dark and full of terrors
Worth a listen
Also suggested Sharman to play 200 and receive life membership

Sharman is a jet, don't understand the lack of enthusiasm for him.

It’s silly ole Vort
Disappearing up his own Vort

[SaintPav]

It will be interesting to see how RTB uses Sharman, if at all. He obviously has some skills. I suppose if he builds up more strength and improves his tank he might be useful.

[Vortex]

It will be interesting to see how RTB uses Sharman, if at all. He obviously has some skills. I suppose if he builds up more strength and improves his tank he might be useful.

His greatest weakness is RLs highest non negotiable. I have never seen anyone play looser and give less effort other than when attempting park mark of the year.

Coupled with the turning circle of the titanic and incapable of performing any task below the knees, he has a challenge in front of him to impress Ross.


It will be interesting.

[Teflon]

It will be interesting to see how RTB uses Sharman, if at all. He obviously has some skills. I suppose if he builds up more strength and improves his tank he might be useful.

It will
He has deficiencies no doubt but after a handful games only a muppet would suggest he’s a flop
He’s got tricks and looks a natural forward but clearly defensive side of his game needs work
Lyon could be the making of him ..

[skeptic]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

See this is my concern and it’s why I feel a little trepidation with Hayes and Goddard (guys that will essentially see RL as a mentor) alongside him with Enright only a baby in terms of coaching too.

Harvs on the other hand is a grisly, weathered, experienced assistant in his own right.

Obviously RL has the experience and cred as a senior coach on his own right… however, he has had a similarity to GT that I don’t like. That is that he seems so set on his own perception/plan that IMO sometimes he has blind spots to things that aren’t really working that well and he won’t budge on them.

My biggest worry with the coaching set up as it stands is, is there someone there could stand up to him and say look I know you like player X but he’s been out of form for a month and player Y deserves more of a run at it or something to that effect

Will be interesting to see if he’s more flexible this time around

[Vortex]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

See this is my concern and it’s why I feel a little trepidation with Hayes and Goddard (guys that will essentially see RL as a mentor) alongside him with Enright only a baby in terms of coaching too.

Harvs on the other hand is a grisly, weathered, experienced assistant in his own right.

Obviously RL has the experience and cred as a senior coach on his own right… however, he has had a similarity to GT that I don’t like. That is that he seems so set on his own perception/plan that IMO sometimes he has blind spots to things that aren’t really working that well and he won’t budge on them.

My biggest worry with the coaching set up as it stands is, is there someone there could stand up to him and say look I know you like player X but he’s been out of form for a month and player Y deserves more of a run at it or something to that effect

Will be interesting to see if he’s more flexible this time around

All the evidence points to Bassett making an ALL OR NOTHING type decision, they usually aren't the types of decisions you see in the corporate world and you wouldn't see such significant decisions regarding major organisational change being made in the same way at SEEK.

But this is the AFL and the St Kilda board where narcissistic, psychopathic sycophants flourish at the board level whilst chasing personal dreams and agendas.

RL has proudly announced he is one of four pillars, loosely translated that means he will only listen to 3 other people in the club, and as we know from reputation, that means he is the boss.

He has surrounded himself with YES men, no question.

I know it sounds weird to be critical and supportive at the same time, but that is my position, I am a massive fan of RL, I tend to agree with some autocratic flavour in a management system provided its not done in a way that claims total exclusivity over knowledge and expertise. Definitely agree with a culture of setting high standards and being uncompromising towards that type of culture.

The elephant in the room is the low standard of talent and skills on our list and Bassett has brilliantly deflected attention away from this most significant failing of his. The sum of all parts is a well known and applied formula in successful clubs, not ours. We are anchored to the Messiah effect and Bassett has exploited it beautifully to protect himself.

If RL does have the magic wand and can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse then the ALL OR NOTHING makes geniuses of the four pillars and they will be written into folklore.

But history is against them and it has got a bit of the Butters and GT feel about it for sure.

[Teflon]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

See this is my concern and it’s why I feel a little trepidation with Hayes and Goddard (guys that will essentially see RL as a mentor) alongside him with Enright only a baby in terms of coaching too.

Harvs on the other hand is a grisly, weathered, experienced assistant in his own right.

Obviously RL has the experience and cred as a senior coach on his own right… however, he has had a similarity to GT that I don’t like. That is that he seems so set on his own perception/plan that IMO sometimes he has blind spots to things that aren’t really working that well and he won’t budge on them.

My biggest worry with the coaching set up as it stands is, is there someone there could stand up to him and say look I know you like player X but he’s been out of form for a month and player Y deserves more of a run at it or something to that effect

Will be interesting to see if he’s more flexible this time around

The whole notion that Vort et al push (incorrectly) is that Lyon has surrounded himself with yes men is utter rubbish.
Enright was there already
Hayes was already on the way before Lyon was in the frame (it’s obvious the club, Blake on the Board who would no be doubt have insights from the playing group, we’re not happy with the previous sub-standard set up of Lade etc. Thank god I say.
Lyon has brought in Harvey - he’s a 10+ year, twice decorated as best AFL assistant coach in the league. I see no issue there.
That leaves Goddard (who I do have doubts on) but again, his role has been contained to an assistant development coach???
On Lyon himself yes he’s been autocratic in the past - great coaches often know what they want but that aside he’s already acknowledged this time around he can’t dictate the whole scenario. He’s 55 not in his 40’s I suspect he’ll need to delegate and lean on his assistants more but I’m not sure he can get away with operating as he has done previously.
That leaves Walsh. The other ego elephant in the room who doesn’t fear Lyon or the Board at all (he has industry wide respect why would he??)
Bassat has made a very astute appointment here.
I don’t see the GT/Butters comparison at all where Grant rode roughshod over everything
The club has taken a far more mature approach
Doesn’t mean we guarantee a flag but I expect at a minimum standards to lift along with a level of professionalism in football operations.
Oh and the list Vort keeps telling us all is hopeless, derelict, devoid of any capability blah blah blah
I don’t see it that way abd IF Lyon extracts the best from likes of Marshall, King, Hill, Clark, Coffield, Jones, Gresham, Higgins, Billings et al plus continues to bring on Windhager, NWM, Owens, Hayes, Sharman etc we might surprise this year….
Top 4? No
The club has also deliberately (I think a good move) acknowledged we need to hit consecutive drafts to bring talent through….they’ve obviously told Lyon he has time even IF we go backwards year 1. That’s good. No more top up players or trying to turn other club rejects into stars. Those rebuilds hardly work - the last great Saints side came from drafting
Thankfully we recognise it now
24 on I expect to see real improvement

[asiu]

i find it interesting
that no one has mentioned
what Ross actually said in one of his interviews

paraphrasing :

i got my coaches together
told them to develop a game plan
then bring it back
and we'll work it

[Teflon]

i find it interesting
that no one has mentioned
what Ross actually said in one of his interviews

paraphrasing :

i got my coaches together
told them to develop a game plan
then bring it back
and we'll work it

Bingo
He actually acknowledged it as an area he has to improve
Sure, proof is in the pudding, but he’s aware that’s a start

[Vortex]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

See this is my concern and it’s why I feel a little trepidation with Hayes and Goddard (guys that will essentially see RL as a mentor) alongside him with Enright only a baby in terms of coaching too.

Harvs on the other hand is a grisly, weathered, experienced assistant in his own right.

Obviously RL has the experience and cred as a senior coach on his own right… however, he has had a similarity to GT that I don’t like. That is that he seems so set on his own perception/plan that IMO sometimes he has blind spots to things that aren’t really working that well and he won’t budge on them.

My biggest worry with the coaching set up as it stands is, is there someone there could stand up to him and say look I know you like player X but he’s been out of form for a month and player Y deserves more of a run at it or something to that effect

Will be interesting to see if he’s more flexible this time around

The whole notion that Vort et al push (incorrectly) is that Lyon has surrounded himself with yes men is utter rubbish.
Enright was there already
Hayes was already on the way before Lyon was in the frame (it’s obvious the club, Blake on the Board who would no be doubt have insights from the playing group, we’re not happy with the previous sub-standard set up of Lade etc. Thank god I say.
Lyon has brought in Harvey - he’s a 10+ year, twice decorated as best AFL assistant coach in the league. I see no issue there.
That leaves Goddard (who I do have doubts on) but again, his role has been contained to an assistant development coach???
On Lyon himself yes he’s been autocratic in the past - great coaches often know what they want but that aside he’s already acknowledged this time around he can’t dictate the whole scenario. He’s 55 not in his 40’s I suspect he’ll need to delegate and lean on his assistants more but I’m not sure he can get away with operating as he has done previously.
That leaves Walsh. The other ego elephant in the room who doesn’t fear Lyon or the Board at all (he has industry wide respect why would he??)
Bassat has made a very astute appointment here.
I don’t see the GT/Butters comparison at all where Grant rode roughshod over everything
The club has taken a far more mature approach
Doesn’t mean we guarantee a flag but I expect at a minimum standards to lift along with a level of professionalism in football operations.
Oh and the list Vort keeps telling us all is hopeless, derelict, devoid of any capability blah blah blah
I don’t see it that way abd IF Lyon extracts the best from likes of Marshall, King, Hill, Clark, Coffield, Jones, Gresham, Higgins, Billings et al plus continues to bring on Windhager, NWM, Owens, Hayes, Sharman etc we might surprise this year….
Top 4? No
The club has also deliberately (I think a good move) acknowledged we need to hit consecutive drafts to bring talent through….they’ve obviously told Lyon he has time even IF we go backwards year 1. That’s good. No more top up players or trying to turn other club rejects into stars. Those rebuilds hardly work - the last great Saints side came from drafting
Thankfully we recognise it now
24 on I expect to see real improvement

But what If someone comes up with the idea for 6 minute abs?

[skeptic]

From what I heard from some sports management folk recently, it was a case of Lyon saying it's my way or the highway, if I come back as coach. Sounds like Essendon and Carlton had a host of conditions attached if they were to take RL on, and the Saints basically said..whatever.

See this is my concern and it’s why I feel a little trepidation with Hayes and Goddard (guys that will essentially see RL as a mentor) alongside him with Enright only a baby in terms of coaching too.

Harvs on the other hand is a grisly, weathered, experienced assistant in his own right.

Obviously RL has the experience and cred as a senior coach on his own right… however, he has had a similarity to GT that I don’t like. That is that he seems so set on his own perception/plan that IMO sometimes he has blind spots to things that aren’t really working that well and he won’t budge on them.

My biggest worry with the coaching set up as it stands is, is there someone there could stand up to him and say look I know you like player X but he’s been out of form for a month and player Y deserves more of a run at it or something to that effect

Will be interesting to see if he’s more flexible this time around

The whole notion that Vort et al push (incorrectly) is that Lyon has surrounded himself with yes men is utter rubbish.
Enright was there already
Hayes was already on the way before Lyon was in the frame (it’s obvious the club, Blake on the Board who would no be doubt have insights from the playing group, we’re not happy with the previous sub-standard set up of Lade etc. Thank god I say.
Lyon has brought in Harvey - he’s a 10+ year, twice decorated as best AFL assistant coach in the league. I see no issue there.
That leaves Goddard (who I do have doubts on) but again, his role has been contained to an assistant development coach???
On Lyon himself yes he’s been autocratic in the past - great coaches often know what they want but that aside he’s already acknowledged this time around he can’t dictate the whole scenario. He’s 55 not in his 40’s I suspect he’ll need to delegate and lean on his assistants more but I’m not sure he can get away with operating as he has done previously.
That leaves Walsh. The other ego elephant in the room who doesn’t fear Lyon or the Board at all (he has industry wide respect why would he??)
Bassat has made a very astute appointment here.
I don’t see the GT/Butters comparison at all where Grant rode roughshod over everything
The club has taken a far more mature approach
Doesn’t mean we guarantee a flag but I expect at a minimum standards to lift along with a level of professionalism in football operations.
Oh and the list Vort keeps telling us all is hopeless, derelict, devoid of any capability blah blah blah
I don’t see it that way abd IF Lyon extracts the best from likes of Marshall, King, Hill, Clark, Coffield, Jones, Gresham, Higgins, Billings et al plus continues to bring on Windhager, NWM, Owens, Hayes, Sharman etc we might surprise this year….
Top 4? No
The club has also deliberately (I think a good move) acknowledged we need to hit consecutive drafts to bring talent through….they’ve obviously told Lyon he has time even IF we go backwards year 1. That’s good. No more top up players or trying to turn other club rejects into stars. Those rebuilds hardly work - the last great Saints side came from drafting
Thankfully we recognise it now
24 on I expect to see real improvement

And to be clear…

I’m not suggesting it is a problem… but rather that I hope it’s not.

The comparison to GT was not meant to be a strong one… rather the point that I always felt his biggest short coming is that he didn’t seem to listen to ppl that pointed out some concerns.

I’ll stand by the concern that IMO, this was a feature of RL’s last tenure but
a) surely he’s developed a bit
b) I certainly don’t think he’s deliberately surrounded himself with yes men

Personally I think Hayes is incredibly impressive, Goddard is obviously a novice but he’s a smart, highly opinionated one that was a leader…

And Harvey is a highly credentialed coach in his own right

To some degree the concern/perception is there in the absence from someone highly experienced that would be prepared to kick horns with it or until RL himself disproves it which we all hope he will

I guess this line of thinking for me boils down to hoping that he has improved in particular areas with the main feature being his past like for what I would consider fairly mediocre role players. Proof will be in the pudding.

Regardless… I think he’s a big upgrade on Ratten

[Scollop]

The club has also deliberately (I think a good move) acknowledged we need to hit consecutive drafts to bring talent through….

The team needs to build together and the players need time to grow as a group. That is something that the club had failed to do up until 2022. Last year in the 2021 National Draft we fluked hanging on to our NGA top picks and we saw the benefits of regenerating with talented youth

Fortunately (perhaps even accidentally) we didn’t throw away our first round pick in the National draft for 2022

Also luckily, the architects of the list build from 2018 to 2021 realised that a hasty short term fix was never going to yield sustained success or a top 4 finish.

[Yorkeys]

The club has also deliberately (I think a good move) acknowledged we need to hit consecutive drafts to bring talent through….

The team needs to build together and the players need time to grow as a group. That is something that the club had failed to do up until 2022. Last year in the 2021 National Draft we fluked hanging on to our NGA top picks and we saw the benefits of regenerating with talented youth

Fortunately (perhaps even accidentally) we didn’t throw away our first round pick in the National draft for 2022

Also luckily, the architects of the list build from 2018 to 2021 realised that a hasty short term fix was never going to yield sustained success or a top 4 finish.

Fluked, accidentally, luckily???
The more you prepare the luckier you get.
Last year's recruitment was excellent, well planned, cleverly executed. Professional.
Credit where credit is due, eh.