Sanctorum wrote: ↑Sat 05 Nov 2022 3:31pm
samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sat 05 Nov 2022 8:36am
Gershwin wrote: ↑Fri 04 Nov 2022 6:19pm
Vortex wrote: ↑Fri 04 Nov 2022 5:47pm
bakes wrote: ↑Fri 04 Nov 2022 2:33pm
The coaches are all a big tick for me. The big question I have is 'does the current list have the same drive/want for success as their coaches'? I think the answer for many is 'no'. It's going to take a few years of turning the list over and recruiting a bunch of players which have the 'drive'. I think the state competitions would be best for this e.g. Hayes, Wilkie, Lambert, Milne the list goes on, all of these guys had to work their butts off.
You have painted a beautiful picture of the elephant in the room, the list is still bog average with a severe mental fragility.
Not everyone responds well to "driving standads" and so it's hilarious listening to fan boys predicting RL has some type of impressive magic wand that can turn a cane toad into supreme A grade fighting machine. The reality could be we lose many and I suspect that is why we are now officially in a rebuild confirmed by Bassett saying we need to go backwards first.
Yep.
I just can’t get the numbers 16, 14, 14, 13 out of my head.
The ladder position Fremantle finished in the last 4 years under Lyon. He ain’t the messiah.
While there are salient and valid points made in each of these posts, and even I think we may drop back in 2023 and win a couple of less games, like maybe nine (mainly due to the losses of Ryder, Hannebery and Long - who are all in our best 22), I actually believe the list is a pretty good one. Our main problem has been injuries which has severely restricted the output of the team since 2020. Had we not had the long layoff in the winter of 2020 we may not have had Gesham for the entire season and not had Hannebery for the finals.
If we can find another three juniors like Owens, Wanganeen-Milera and Windhager, and three more mature aged rookies like Hayes, Sharman and Wilkie, we will be looking good.
Of the 3 players you mentioned samuraisaint only Paddy had a reasonable impact in the 11 wins, Hannebery only played 3 games 2 of which were in a losing side, and Ben Long had mostly only average impact until his swansong BOG in Rd 23. That doesn't even remotely justify your comment that "we may drop back in 2023 and win a couple of less games".
If you really beleve that "the list is a pretty good one" I would have thought you'd be quite bullish about the team's prospects in 2023 as it is generally agreed that under the new coaching panel under the leadership of Walsh and Lyon the team will be much improved in many ways, not least skill levels, teamwork and intensity, especially in the form of players with potential that has yet to be brought out.
My good friend Vortex, who believes that things might go arse up, mentions that Bassat is hedging his bets with the comment that the team might have to go backwards (before going forward) that's what anyone in his position would say, he's simply keeping a lid on things. It is patently obvious, in actions rather than words, that the club is in rebuild mode - viz bringing in youth through the drafts and refraining from actively participating in the UFA and RFA plays during the off-season.
Geezus…
“Your good friend Vortex” whose basically barracking fit club failure in appointing Lyon and you’re along for the ride cause it suits your “it’s all just the list..” dribble
What rot
Again, EVERYONE knows the list ain’t too 4
But it’s better than 3-8 second half season with game stats showing a bottom 4 team. This list is not bottom 4
Does it mean with a new coach that year 1 might be a step backwards??? Ofcourse that’s possible
But I expect from Yr 2 onwards improvement
Why????
We will have training standards
We will have a structured game plan where players KNOW what’s expected
We will have selection integrity - you don’t perform you won’t play
We will start to weed out duds who enjoy coasting and not working
We will have an injury management approach that is 1st class
I expect Lyon will drag 10-15% extra from role players…he’s done it often but in time we need to add class ….that won’t be immediate
You just keep wishing/telling us all with your “mate” Vortex we’ll fail cause the list is cr@p ….