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The First Nations families who have made allegations against ex-Hawthorn coaches have serious reservations about being interviewed as part of an independent investigation into the claims.
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Out of fear for their lives or they can't be bothered anymore or they have been paid off ..I'll guess we will find out at some stage.
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Re: Clarko and the Hawks alleged disgusting behaviour.
An independent investigation or an AFL investigation?
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Foxsports reporting James Gallagher to be involved in North's drafting. Is that our James?
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HS has posted copies of the First Nation player’s statements on its website.
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The Age has notaxcellence wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:42pm HS has posted copies of the First Nation player’s statements on its website.
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If this is true, Clarkson, Fagan, Evans and Burt at the very least are totally gawwwwn.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bul ... 5blh4.html
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One player stating he was upset that three days after his baby was born the club wanted him to come back to training. Please what the hell even is this.
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Hawthorn and the process they have used should be heavily scrutinised because they have created a situation where there will be no winners and the intent to improve lives has most likely been lost.
And media commentary claiming the allegations are the "worst ever" levelled at an AFL person is also not helpful. These claims will cause distress for people who have been the victims of pedeophiles and rapists associated with the AFL and may find it hard to support the idea of "worst ever" in a way that improves lives.
We have a long way to go on the issue of racism but everyone needs to be brought along on the journey of education because it's hard to imagine how mprovements can be made in a courtroom or by reading the Herald Sun.
And media commentary claiming the allegations are the "worst ever" levelled at an AFL person is also not helpful. These claims will cause distress for people who have been the victims of pedeophiles and rapists associated with the AFL and may find it hard to support the idea of "worst ever" in a way that improves lives.
We have a long way to go on the issue of racism but everyone needs to be brought along on the journey of education because it's hard to imagine how mprovements can be made in a courtroom or by reading the Herald Sun.
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Well narrows down who the accusers are, how many have lived amongst Russians.
Whole episode is descending further into terrible unprofessional farce.
Good on Fagan deciding not to wait for AFL to get a process on the road. Is Gillon even capable of managing a timely credible outcome.
And the media, stir, stir, run anonymous hyperbole with half arsed qualifications.
Whole episode is descending further into terrible unprofessional farce.
Good on Fagan deciding not to wait for AFL to get a process on the road. Is Gillon even capable of managing a timely credible outcome.
And the media, stir, stir, run anonymous hyperbole with half arsed qualifications.
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Will this affair give pause to clubs trying to stay ahead of social button issues by launching their own internal reviews, when they can expect a journalist from ‘A Current Affair’ to be buzzing around the car park?
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The two coaches at the centre of the Hawthorn racism saga are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.
Will the same apply to the accusers to support their claims
Will the same apply to the accusers to support their claims
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The only investigation I will trust is in a court of law.
All involved will be obligated to tell the truth, and the AFL can't 'spin doctor' the findings.
If I were Clarkson I'd initiate proceedings.
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Re: Clarko and the Hawks alleged disgusting behaviour.
Rod Owen was quoted as saying one coach, at junior level, was a Jimmy Saville-type who ruined several kids.Vortex wrote: ↑Wed 28 Sep 2022 10:52am Hawthorn and the process they have used should be heavily scrutinised because they have created a situation where there will be no winners and the intent to improve lives has most likely been lost.
And media commentary claiming the allegations are the "worst ever" levelled at an AFL person is also not helpful. These claims will cause distress for people who have been the victims of pedeophiles and rapists associated with the AFL and may find it hard to support the idea of "worst ever" in a way that improves lives.
We have a long way to go on the issue of racism but everyone needs to be brought along on the journey of education because it's hard to imagine how mprovements can be made in a courtroom or by reading the Herald Sun.
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So 'worst ever' is a phrase that should never be used.
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I think the actual accuser is another coach, who appears to have witnessed complaints made by an ex player and then verified those complaints in the internal investigation. He can't make the claim and run the investigation, any f*** ups in that process, belong to the club.
Clarko won't want to start proceedings and no one has said he is guilty, but the questions have to be asked. If there was nothing for Clarko to answer, no one would be asking questions. Obviously, the club reckon there is enough evidence for him to be asked. Probably no meeting minutes, no notes and no written outcome of the actions of the meeting held with players. When you have been bullying other staff, you usually don't record it.
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The report was released without Clarkson and Fagan being interviewed.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 29 Sep 2022 11:47pmI think the actual accuser is another coach, who appears to have witnessed complaints made by an ex player and then verified those complaints in the internal investigation. He can't make the claim and run the investigation, any f*** ups in that process, belong to the club.
Clarko won't want to start proceedings and no one has said he is guilty, but the questions have to be asked. If there was nothing for Clarko to answer, no one would be asking questions. Obviously, the club reckon there is enough evidence for him to be asked. Probably no meeting minutes, no notes and no written outcome of the actions of the meeting held with players. When you have been bullying other staff, you usually don't record it.
Extraordinary
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That's what the media do and then they will run a story on mental health issues .....a pack pf arseholesYorkeys wrote: ↑Wed 28 Sep 2022 10:57am Well narrows down who the accusers are, how many have lived amongst Russians.
Whole episode is descending further into terrible unprofessional farce.
Good on Fagan deciding not to wait for AFL to get a process on the road. Is Gillon even capable of managing a timely credible outcome.
And the media, stir, stir, run anonymous hyperbole with half arsed qualifications.
Look out kids, they keep it all hid
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Not really that extraordinary. Its a work complaint. They get bungled all the time. This one probably kicked off,just as Clarko stood down. As for natural justice, it doesn't exist. This is a payout hush job.chook23 wrote: ↑Fri 30 Sep 2022 7:23amThe report was released without Clarkson and Fagan being interviewed.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 29 Sep 2022 11:47pmI think the actual accuser is another coach, who appears to have witnessed complaints made by an ex player and then verified those complaints in the internal investigation. He can't make the claim and run the investigation, any f*** ups in that process, belong to the club.
Clarko won't want to start proceedings and no one has said he is guilty, but the questions have to be asked. If there was nothing for Clarko to answer, no one would be asking questions. Obviously, the club reckon there is enough evidence for him to be asked. Probably no meeting minutes, no notes and no written outcome of the actions of the meeting held with players. When you have been bullying other staff, you usually don't record it.
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The review was undertaken to interview First Nations players and coaches and find out their experiences being at the club during a certain period.chook23 wrote: ↑Fri 30 Sep 2022 7:23amThe report was released without Clarkson and Fagan being interviewed.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 29 Sep 2022 11:47pmI think the actual accuser is another coach, who appears to have witnessed complaints made by an ex player and then verified those complaints in the internal investigation. He can't make the claim and run the investigation, any f*** ups in that process, belong to the club.
Clarko won't want to start proceedings and no one has said he is guilty, but the questions have to be asked. If there was nothing for Clarko to answer, no one would be asking questions. Obviously, the club reckon there is enough evidence for him to be asked. Probably no meeting minutes, no notes and no written outcome of the actions of the meeting held with players. When you have been bullying other staff, you usually don't record it.
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Why would they interview Clarkson and Fagan?
The article at the start of this thread is separate to the review, and the journo approached both Clarkson and Fagan and they chose not to respond.
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CorrectThe_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 30 Sep 2022 9:39amThe review was undertaken to interview First Nations players and coaches and find out their experiences being at the club during a certain period.chook23 wrote: ↑Fri 30 Sep 2022 7:23amThe report was released without Clarkson and Fagan being interviewed.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 29 Sep 2022 11:47pmI think the actual accuser is another coach, who appears to have witnessed complaints made by an ex player and then verified those complaints in the internal investigation. He can't make the claim and run the investigation, any f*** ups in that process, belong to the club.
Clarko won't want to start proceedings and no one has said he is guilty, but the questions have to be asked. If there was nothing for Clarko to answer, no one would be asking questions. Obviously, the club reckon there is enough evidence for him to be asked. Probably no meeting minutes, no notes and no written outcome of the actions of the meeting held with players. When you have been bullying other staff, you usually don't record it.
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Why would they interview Clarkson and Fagan?
The article at the start of this thread is separate to the review, and the journo approached both Clarkson and Fagan and they chose not to respond.
People are missing the intricacies here
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This appears to be the result of a club operating at the extreme end of the 'professionalism' spectrum. They've behaved like a cult. Stripping players of their phones. Demanding they should have no distractions. Cutting them off from their old lives. Whichever poster said they were sure the coaches only had the players' best interests at heart, I don't think so. The only focus has been what was in the best interests of the club. A bit of a case of careful what you wish for. The antithesis of the st Kilda footy club - remember Ross and was it Carlisle skipping a game when their babies were due? How many of us said "it wouldn't happen at Hawthorn". Damn straight!
It's turned into a racism issue because those boys have been perceived as being more likely to be distracted because of where they've come from, they're more vulnerable cos further from home in the first place, and more likely to be distressed at being cut off from family and country.
We want our players to put winning a premiership above everything, don't we? Do we?
It's turned into a racism issue because those boys have been perceived as being more likely to be distracted because of where they've come from, they're more vulnerable cos further from home in the first place, and more likely to be distressed at being cut off from family and country.
We want our players to put winning a premiership above everything, don't we? Do we?
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I read an article today about how Dane Swan from Collingwood was coerced into purchasing his first home by the club because they wanted him to move out and away from his friends at the time.freely wrote: ↑Sat 01 Oct 2022 8:17am This appears to be the result of a club operating at the extreme end of the 'professionalism' spectrum. They've behaved like a cult. Stripping players of their phones. Demanding they should have no distractions. Cutting them off from their old lives. Whichever poster said they were sure the coaches only had the players' best interests at heart, I don't think so. The only focus has been what was in the best interests of the club. A bit of a case of careful what you wish for. The antithesis of the st Kilda footy club - remember Ross and was it Carlisle skipping a game when their babies were due? How many of us said "it wouldn't happen at Hawthorn". Damn straight!
It's turned into a racism issue because those boys have been perceived as being more likely to be distracted because of where they've come from, they're more vulnerable cos further from home in the first place, and more likely to be distressed at being cut off from family and country.
We want our players to put winning a premiership above everything, don't we? Do we?
It's an elite competition, maybe the concept of an elite sport needs to be reassessed in terms of what expectations are placed on those who sign up for all that it encompasses.
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It's been turned into a racism issue when it might be a 'at risk youth' issue.freely wrote: ↑Sat 01 Oct 2022 8:17am This appears to be the result of a club operating at the extreme end of the 'professionalism' spectrum. They've behaved like a cult. Stripping players of their phones. Demanding they should have no distractions. Cutting them off from their old lives. Whichever poster said they were sure the coaches only had the players' best interests at heart, I don't think so. The only focus has been what was in the best interests of the club. A bit of a case of careful what you wish for. The antithesis of the st Kilda footy club - remember Ross and was it Carlisle skipping a game when their babies were due? How many of us said "it wouldn't happen at Hawthorn". Damn straight!
It's turned into a racism issue because those boys have been perceived as being more likely to be distracted because of where they've come from, they're more vulnerable cos further from home in the first place, and more likely to be distressed at being cut off from family and country.
We want our players to put winning a premiership above everything, don't we? Do we?
Unfortunately statistics show indigenous youth are at a higher than average risk, especially when it comes to money/family/crime etc.
Hawthorn may or may not have gone too far, i don't know the truth, but it could be said that they were trying to protect and guide their young players away from negative influences. White or black.
And haven't the Herald Sun just run with it...