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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Western Bulldogs
Lobb
Naughton
Darcy
Ugle Hagan
Bruce
StK
King
Membrey
Hayes
One of those forward lines will make a coach look good
One will make a coach look bad
Figure out which is which
Lobb
Naughton
Darcy
Ugle Hagan
Bruce
StK
King
Membrey
Hayes
One of those forward lines will make a coach look good
One will make a coach look bad
Figure out which is which
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
I'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
I for ine wouldn’t mind Hird coming….he needs to get away from essendon , played in successful era with them ….sure it f***ed up when coaching but also was that him or thommo doing .
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Who is that fellow who has been with Saints since Adam came into this world?
Most of us supporters don’t quite know what his role is, but he wanders around with a clip board, and a lap top. He can be seen sitting boundary side on match days. He walks out at the third quarter huddle and occasionally holds up the whiteboard for BR.
The players seem to know who he is, as they occasionally speak to him when they are rotated to sit on the pine. He even is the proud owner of headphones, so he can talk to the ‘game plan gurus’ in the coaches box. Surely he could be our next forward coach?
I think his name is Danny Sexton.![🤔](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f914.svg)
I don’t know if he knows anything about forward craft or leading patterns. However, from a females perspective, he’s much easier on the eye than Lade was. Hmmmmmm????
Most of us supporters don’t quite know what his role is, but he wanders around with a clip board, and a lap top. He can be seen sitting boundary side on match days. He walks out at the third quarter huddle and occasionally holds up the whiteboard for BR.
The players seem to know who he is, as they occasionally speak to him when they are rotated to sit on the pine. He even is the proud owner of headphones, so he can talk to the ‘game plan gurus’ in the coaches box. Surely he could be our next forward coach?
I think his name is Danny Sexton.
I don’t know if he knows anything about forward craft or leading patterns. However, from a females perspective, he’s much easier on the eye than Lade was. Hmmmmmm????
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
You wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
It's 100% not enough talent, use Geelong as your reference point, see how many stars you count in their front 6 and then compare them to ours. We have King who is nowhere near a Hawkins and Cameron for starters, and whilst Members would get a gig in the Cats forward line as a third fiddle to those two, due to our lack of talent up the ground we rob pete to pay paul with Members having to play up the ground frequently. And then after that we have virtually no other forwards with enough talent to be in the Cats line up. As I say use the Cats or other sustained top four sides as your reference point.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:05pmYou wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
Talent, talent, talent, talent wins games, the more you have the better chance you have of winning the big dance.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Is that right? I thought it was Danny Bonaduce.loris wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 3:17pm Who is that fellow who has been with Saints since Adam came into this world?
Most of us supporters don’t quite know what his role is, but he wanders around with a clip board, and a lap top. He can be seen sitting boundary side on match days. He walks out at the third quarter huddle and occasionally holds up the whiteboard for BR.
The players seem to know who he is, as they occasionally speak to him when they are rotated to sit on the pine. He even is the proud owner of headphones, so he can talk to the ‘game plan gurus’ in the coaches box. Surely he could be our next forward coach?
I think his name is Danny Sexton.
I don’t know if he knows anything about forward craft or leading patterns. However, from a females perspective, he’s much easier on the eye than Lade was. Hmmmmmm????
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
I had to Google who Danny Bonaduce isD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:44pmIs that right? I thought it was Danny Bonaduce.loris wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 3:17pm Who is that fellow who has been with Saints since Adam came into this world?
Most of us supporters don’t quite know what his role is, but he wanders around with a clip board, and a lap top. He can be seen sitting boundary side on match days. He walks out at the third quarter huddle and occasionally holds up the whiteboard for BR.
The players seem to know who he is, as they occasionally speak to him when they are rotated to sit on the pine. He even is the proud owner of headphones, so he can talk to the ‘game plan gurus’ in the coaches box. Surely he could be our next forward coach?
I think his name is Danny Sexton.
I don’t know if he knows anything about forward craft or leading patterns. However, from a females perspective, he’s much easier on the eye than Lade was. Hmmmmmm????
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Sure, he looks like he’s been hanging around for years and done a few rounds of the kitchen. I think I’ll stick with Danny Sexton for our new Forward coach, as I said he’s easier on the eye than Lade, and considerably easier on the eye than this Danny Bonaduce character.
It looks like this Bonaduce bloke might have trouble remaining standing when putting out the witches hats at training, let alone have the strength to hold a whiteboard above his shoulders at 3/4 time for Ratts to shuffle the magents around and draw Plan B for the forwards to lead to. I’ll stick with Danny Sexton (I think that’s his name). Still thanks D.B.Cooper for you suggestion, you assisted my Googling skills.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
It is not 100% talent. Of course we need to improve personelle but the strategies suck.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:34pmIt's 100% not enough talent, use Geelong as your reference point, see how many stars you count in their front 6 and then compare them to ours. We have King who is nowhere near a Hawkins and Cameron for starters, and whilst Members would get a gig in the Cats forward line as a third fiddle to those two, due to our lack of talent up the ground we rob pete to pay paul with Members having to play up the ground frequently. And then after that we have virtually no other forwards with enough talent to be in the Cats line up. As I say use the Cats or other sustained top four sides as your reference point.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:05pmYou wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
Talent, talent, talent, talent wins games, the more you have the better chance you have of winning the big dance.
I'm not claiming they are the equivalent of Geelong, the comparison was being made with Bulldogs, but whoever we have needs a better system.
Are you happy with the forward set up?
We won 11 games with a shonky system, King getting double teamed and not leading, Membrey playing too high no other marking alternatives except the occasional resting ruckman.
The Collingwood forward line always looks dangerous, but is not that impressive from a talent perspective. They're screaming out for a second tall to help out Mihocek. But they lead up , give options and have a system under McCrae that they didn't have under Buckley.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
The more talent you have the better a team can execute and for longer in games. It's always been the case and always will be.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 9:04pmIt is not 100% talent. Of course we need to improve personelle but the strategies suck.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:34pmIt's 100% not enough talent, use Geelong as your reference point, see how many stars you count in their front 6 and then compare them to ours. We have King who is nowhere near a Hawkins and Cameron for starters, and whilst Members would get a gig in the Cats forward line as a third fiddle to those two, due to our lack of talent up the ground we rob pete to pay paul with Members having to play up the ground frequently. And then after that we have virtually no other forwards with enough talent to be in the Cats line up. As I say use the Cats or other sustained top four sides as your reference point.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:05pmYou wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
Talent, talent, talent, talent wins games, the more you have the better chance you have of winning the big dance.
I'm not claiming they are the equivalent of Geelong, the comparison was being made with Bulldogs, but whoever we have needs a better system.
Are you happy with the forward set up?
We won 11 games with a shonky system, King getting double teamed and not leading, Membrey playing too high no other marking alternatives except the occasional resting ruckman.
The Collingwood forward line always looks dangerous, but is not that impressive from a talent perspective. They're screaming out for a second tall to help out Mihocek. But they lead up , give options and have a system under McCrae that they didn't have under Buckley.
Insufficient talent = inability to execute a game plan.
That formula is almost as old as the game itself.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
The clincher for Brendon was that he gets access to Bailey Smith's stylist. Eat your heart out Danny.loris wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 3:17pm Who is that fellow who has been with Saints since Adam came into this world?
Most of us supporters don’t quite know what his role is, but he wanders around with a clip board, and a lap top. He can be seen sitting boundary side on match days. He walks out at the third quarter huddle and occasionally holds up the whiteboard for BR.
The players seem to know who he is, as they occasionally speak to him when they are rotated to sit on the pine. He even is the proud owner of headphones, so he can talk to the ‘game plan gurus’ in the coaches box. Surely he could be our next forward coach?
I think his name is Danny Sexton.
I don’t know if he knows anything about forward craft or leading patterns. However, from a females perspective, he’s much easier on the eye than Lade was. Hmmmmmm????
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I just gave an example of Collingwood having decent but not terrific talent in their F50, looking more dangerous than us because of how they structure.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 9:24pmThe more talent you have the better a team can execute and for longer in games. It's always been the case and always will be.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 9:04pmIt is not 100% talent. Of course we need to improve personelle but the strategies suck.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:34pmIt's 100% not enough talent, use Geelong as your reference point, see how many stars you count in their front 6 and then compare them to ours. We have King who is nowhere near a Hawkins and Cameron for starters, and whilst Members would get a gig in the Cats forward line as a third fiddle to those two, due to our lack of talent up the ground we rob pete to pay paul with Members having to play up the ground frequently. And then after that we have virtually no other forwards with enough talent to be in the Cats line up. As I say use the Cats or other sustained top four sides as your reference point.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:05pmYou wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
Talent, talent, talent, talent wins games, the more you have the better chance you have of winning the big dance.
I'm not claiming they are the equivalent of Geelong, the comparison was being made with Bulldogs, but whoever we have needs a better system.
Are you happy with the forward set up?
We won 11 games with a shonky system, King getting double teamed and not leading, Membrey playing too high no other marking alternatives except the occasional resting ruckman.
The Collingwood forward line always looks dangerous, but is not that impressive from a talent perspective. They're screaming out for a second tall to help out Mihocek. But they lead up , give options and have a system under McCrae that they didn't have under Buckley.
Insufficient talent = inability to execute a game plan.
That formula is almost as old as the game itself.
Same with the Swans (GF aside), always look very dangerous because of how the mids connect with the forwards.
Do we really think we can't do better with the talent we have? If all we do is wait to get better players we will be stalled forever.
I'd prefer to see Sharman (who can lead mark and kick) start at FF, with Membrey in a pocket and King higher at a true CHF position, using his speed so that he is one out with his defender.
Higgins in the other pocket, while Gresham and Owens play the HFF.
We have to keep marking threats near the goals to give midfielder options. We lose our structure too easily and get a dump kick into Max vs 2-3.
Whether it is Hayes or Sharman, Max needs a tall marking threat paired alongside him.
We have gone too mosquito fleet. It has been worked out. Our strategies have not adapted.
All in favour of getting better talent, by the way. Geelong gave up plenty for Cameron.
If we somehow land DeGoey, and if Jones somehow manages to get back on track, ditto Gresham, we should be quicker out of the midfield transition to forwards.
That will be Lennys brief - to get the connection happening.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
You lost me at Sharman. The kid is so far off the pace and only got a game because there was literally no one else to pick from at Sandy except midgets and spuds. He might come good after lengthy development time in the VFL.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:25pmI just gave an example of Collingwood having decent but not terrific talent in their F50, looking more dangerous than us because of how they structure.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 9:24pmThe more talent you have the better a team can execute and for longer in games. It's always been the case and always will be.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 9:04pmIt is not 100% talent. Of course we need to improve personelle but the strategies suck.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:34pmIt's 100% not enough talent, use Geelong as your reference point, see how many stars you count in their front 6 and then compare them to ours. We have King who is nowhere near a Hawkins and Cameron for starters, and whilst Members would get a gig in the Cats forward line as a third fiddle to those two, due to our lack of talent up the ground we rob pete to pay paul with Members having to play up the ground frequently. And then after that we have virtually no other forwards with enough talent to be in the Cats line up. As I say use the Cats or other sustained top four sides as your reference point.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 7:05pmYou wouldn't think it was that hard would you. Yet we seem to resort to dumping it into a static forward line as soon as pressure applied.Vortex wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:59pmI'm going to let Ratts know all the talent he needs can be unlocked by our forwards if they just lead up to the ball.Banger9798 wrote: ↑Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:52pm King, Sharman/ Hayes, Membrey , Higgins/ Butler, Owens, Gresham
Enough talent there for a forwards coach to work with, if they can figure out how to lead up to the ball
How come they can't work this out themselves.
So it's either the coaching strategy issue or the players aren't up to it.
Talent, talent, talent, talent wins games, the more you have the better chance you have of winning the big dance.
I'm not claiming they are the equivalent of Geelong, the comparison was being made with Bulldogs, but whoever we have needs a better system.
Are you happy with the forward set up?
We won 11 games with a shonky system, King getting double teamed and not leading, Membrey playing too high no other marking alternatives except the occasional resting ruckman.
The Collingwood forward line always looks dangerous, but is not that impressive from a talent perspective. They're screaming out for a second tall to help out Mihocek. But they lead up , give options and have a system under McCrae that they didn't have under Buckley.
Insufficient talent = inability to execute a game plan.
That formula is almost as old as the game itself.
Same with the Swans (GF aside), always look very dangerous because of how the mids connect with the forwards.
Do we really think we can't do better with the talent we have? If all we do is wait to get better players we will be stalled forever.
I'd prefer to see Sharman (who can lead mark and kick) start at FF, with Membrey in a pocket and King higher at a true CHF position, using his speed so that he is one out with his defender.
Higgins in the other pocket, while Gresham and Owens play the HFF.
We have to keep marking threats near the goals to give midfielder options. We lose our structure too easily and get a dump kick into Max vs 2-3.
Whether it is Hayes or Sharman, Max needs a tall marking threat paired alongside him.
We have gone too mosquito fleet. It has been worked out. Our strategies have not adapted.
All in favour of getting better talent, by the way. Geelong gave up plenty for Cameron.
If we somehow land DeGoey, and if Jones somehow manages to get back on track, ditto Gresham, we should be quicker out of the midfield transition to forwards.
That will be Lennys brief - to get the connection happening.
Take a step back and be as objective as you can by using players in the Cats side or other sustained top 4 sides as your reference point. Our list drops away significantly at about the 10 to 12 mark. We need some seriously good luck in the draft for the next 2 years just to become a 5th to 8th type on the ladder.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Danny Sexton has also decided to move on. His decision. Danny has been a great servant to the club- hence his life membership.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
What the hell job was Sexton doing anyway?
Wasn’t a line coach or development coach?!
Wasn’t a line coach or development coach?!
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Lade went to the dogs because the saints couldn't guarantee him a job with a review underway.
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Jumped before he was pushed?
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Likely given the choice to move on or be sacked
The Devil makes work for idle hands!!!
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Re: Lade gone to the dogs .
Wonder if Joel Selwood wants to coach next year?
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