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How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
A million freaking miles . Culture the DNA of a club that is instilled on the journey over a decade or two . It's been said alot Selwood has played more finals than the St kilda football club has . That can't be right . We are so lost as a club .
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
We were all thinking that today Rubyio. So much more talent, so well drilled and physically dominant to most on our list.
No shortage of on-field inspirational leaders that set an example for the younger players and are genuine matchwinners.
Their higher paid players are the epitome of all this, which is so vital to a successful culture, not like Hannebery and Hill.
Steele has been crying out for support for several years now and these two were far from the right choice,
Recruiting failure of the highest order that inexplicably still remains unaccountable.
No shortage of on-field inspirational leaders that set an example for the younger players and are genuine matchwinners.
Their higher paid players are the epitome of all this, which is so vital to a successful culture, not like Hannebery and Hill.
Steele has been crying out for support for several years now and these two were far from the right choice,
Recruiting failure of the highest order that inexplicably still remains unaccountable.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Selwood has won 22 finals.
Our club, since 1873, has won 21
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Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Throwing a lot of money at Hill in particular, is silly, because it appears anyone who comes for the $$ doesn't care enough about the actual club.saintkid wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:44pm We were all thinking that today Rubyio. So much more talent, so well drilled and physically dominant to most on our list.
No shortage of on-field inspirational leaders that set an example for the younger players and are genuine matchwinners.
Their higher paid players are the epitome of all this, which is so vital to a successful culture, not like Hannebery and Hill.
Steele has been crying out for support for several years now and these two were far from the right choice,
Recruiting failure of the highest order that inexplicably still remains unaccountable.
JDG, if we got him (we won't) he'll lower his standards and won't give a Ratts about our club.
He'll do just enough to stay in the seniors.
He knows he's best 22 in our squad, and only misses out through suspension and injury.
Not much chance of injury when he'll be going at 75% effort and not tackling
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and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Very hard to compete with a destination club . Hat's off to Geelong for creating that culture & environment that has players wanting to go there . They have been there about's for 20years we can only wish to be that resilient
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Well. Dangerfield and Cameron didn't come to us. The durability of Selwood, Hawkins, Gutthrie, and Blicavs has been extraordinary.
As for on field football culture, Selwood has been inspirational, demanding, and courageous. He has set the standard since day one. He piles it on the opposition, too, when required. It has also helped Geelong that for a lot of his career he has been a match winner
Riewoldt had those qualities, too, and wasn't afraid to call out team mates who weren't lifting their standards
The Cats have benefitted from father son selections that helped set up this long period of succes, but the real mastermind was Stephen Wells, the best recruiter of the past 25 years.
Without his eye for spotting talent they would not have achieved this level.of success.
A stable environment where everyone is working together and recruiting the best talent is the key.
No club has won a premiership by failing at recruiting
As for on field football culture, Selwood has been inspirational, demanding, and courageous. He has set the standard since day one. He piles it on the opposition, too, when required. It has also helped Geelong that for a lot of his career he has been a match winner
Riewoldt had those qualities, too, and wasn't afraid to call out team mates who weren't lifting their standards
The Cats have benefitted from father son selections that helped set up this long period of succes, but the real mastermind was Stephen Wells, the best recruiter of the past 25 years.
Without his eye for spotting talent they would not have achieved this level.of success.
A stable environment where everyone is working together and recruiting the best talent is the key.
No club has won a premiership by failing at recruiting
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Until they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:28pm There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
What are you suggesting CQ?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:28pmUntil they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:28pm There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
bangaulegend wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:33pmWhat are you suggesting CQ?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:28pmUntil they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:28pm There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
I'm not really sure. I'm very interested in what's currently going on over atJim Crowthorn at the moment though.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Success hides imperfections, and every club has them. Clubs with awful cultures have won premierships, and clubs with good ones haven't, and vice versa.
A big pile of talent, oddly enough, seems to be the common thread in winning one.
No club has won one without it. Funny about that
A big pile of talent, oddly enough, seems to be the common thread in winning one.
No club has won one without it. Funny about that
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Really !! obviously something underhandedCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:39pmbangaulegend wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:33pmWhat are you suggesting CQ?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:28pmUntil they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:28pm There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.
It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.
I'm not really sure. I'm very interested in what's currently going on over atJim Crowthorn at the moment though.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?
On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.
On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
We are not that far behind at all with our best team on the park.
We beat them this year.
They have a huge home ground advantage, unique experience and recruiters that value big bodies.
Pies ran them close. Sydney were terrible, just hopeless.
We are building but need bit better coaching and to seriously think about how productive our smaller forwards are or are not and the reasons.
We beat them this year.
They have a huge home ground advantage, unique experience and recruiters that value big bodies.
Pies ran them close. Sydney were terrible, just hopeless.
We are building but need bit better coaching and to seriously think about how productive our smaller forwards are or are not and the reasons.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
As for Jim Crowthorn, just another example of the myths surrounding successful coaches and clubs. Every club has it's dirty secrets, irrespective of what the footy fanboys posing as journalists say when bloviating over their favourite coaches
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Really? Is that your take here after our embarrassing second half of the season? It's the St Kilda supporters that only talk their club down and not Geelong's?Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:57pm I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?
On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.
Geelong now have 4 premierships since 2007. Fact.
Winners are grinners and it's been a great turnaround after they were on the receiving end of both media and supporter negative hype earlier in the year.
I'd have been happy with just ONE St Kilda premiership since 2007.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Back on us v Geelong, we are a pretty good football team with a couple of pieces missing from the puzzle. Good decisions made this year and next will see us being contenders. Bad ones could see us stagnate in that 7th to 13th zone on the ladder
You'd swear were worse than North Melbourne judging by whats written on this forum, though
You'd swear were worse than North Melbourne judging by whats written on this forum, though
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
IMO that is not true I know lot's of Geelong supporters that were very unhappy with the the club the coach the list not so long ago but hey winners are grinners . A year is along time in footballTrev from the Bush wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 10:57pm I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?
On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
I guess we will see next year jury still outcwrcyn wrote: ↑Sat 24 Sep 2022 11:07pm Back on us v Geelong, we are a pretty good football team with a couple of pieces missing from the puzzle. Good decisions made this year and next will see us being contenders. Bad ones could see us stagnate in that 7th to 13th zone on the ladder
You'd swear were worse than North Melbourne judging by whats written on this forum, though
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Those who prosecute going to the Draft to “rebuild” St Kilda received a brutal lesson today
Experienced, hard bodies win finals
Players over 30 years of age with over 200 games behind them
And, with that demographic dominant you add one or two younger players, these very few younger players having the support and protection from the dominant demographic
St Kilda (will) have just Campbell, Hill, Ross and Webster, just at 30 or over in 2023
And in building our core of experienced, hard bodies there are those on here who prosecute the trade of Hill, Clark, Gresham et al to bring in 18 year olds seeking success
We have lost our 2 class, experienced players ahead of 2023 being Ryder and Hannebery - retaining only Hill as class
Geelong go out and recruit the likes of Smith, at 33 years of age from Hawthorn
St Kilda add Wanganeen-Milera, Windhager and Owens
I am not suggesting we recruit 33 year olds - but we do need to look at who is available in the mid 20’s group to add to those already on our List and who are approaching mid 20’s and 100 games
It would not surprise me to hear that Geelong approach Hannebery as a replacement for Higgins, from NM and now retired
That is how they do it
Interesting that we were the last side to beat Geelong - with Ryder’s tap to Billings instrumental
There is no doubt that the likes of Heath and Peris will debut in 2023
When we played Geelong at Geelong we were (again) forced to play the inexperienced Sharman in defence because he is mobile and can jump to spoil
How long can Geelong continue their model?
There has to be an end date, where they just lose too many to retirement
And when we take their place with an experienced, mature side
Experienced, hard bodies win finals
Players over 30 years of age with over 200 games behind them
And, with that demographic dominant you add one or two younger players, these very few younger players having the support and protection from the dominant demographic
St Kilda (will) have just Campbell, Hill, Ross and Webster, just at 30 or over in 2023
And in building our core of experienced, hard bodies there are those on here who prosecute the trade of Hill, Clark, Gresham et al to bring in 18 year olds seeking success
We have lost our 2 class, experienced players ahead of 2023 being Ryder and Hannebery - retaining only Hill as class
Geelong go out and recruit the likes of Smith, at 33 years of age from Hawthorn
St Kilda add Wanganeen-Milera, Windhager and Owens
I am not suggesting we recruit 33 year olds - but we do need to look at who is available in the mid 20’s group to add to those already on our List and who are approaching mid 20’s and 100 games
It would not surprise me to hear that Geelong approach Hannebery as a replacement for Higgins, from NM and now retired
That is how they do it
Interesting that we were the last side to beat Geelong - with Ryder’s tap to Billings instrumental
There is no doubt that the likes of Heath and Peris will debut in 2023
When we played Geelong at Geelong we were (again) forced to play the inexperienced Sharman in defence because he is mobile and can jump to spoil
How long can Geelong continue their model?
There has to be an end date, where they just lose too many to retirement
And when we take their place with an experienced, mature side
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
This narrative that we beat Geelong during the season meaning we aren’t far away is laughable.
We also flogged Richmond by 15 goals the season they started their 3 flags in 4 years run. How did we perform over the following seasons?
We are seduced by the occasional good performance at Marvel Stadium. Until we start beating strong teams interstate (Sydney, Brisbane) & consistently challenge & beat strong teams at the G on the rare occasions we play there we are miles away. Currently closer to the bottom than the top.
I’m comfortable with the thoughts of trading solid players out for top 10 draft picks. We need to add more elite talent to the list.
We also flogged Richmond by 15 goals the season they started their 3 flags in 4 years run. How did we perform over the following seasons?
We are seduced by the occasional good performance at Marvel Stadium. Until we start beating strong teams interstate (Sydney, Brisbane) & consistently challenge & beat strong teams at the G on the rare occasions we play there we are miles away. Currently closer to the bottom than the top.
I’m comfortable with the thoughts of trading solid players out for top 10 draft picks. We need to add more elite talent to the list.
and that's the bottom line
Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Interesting also that in Norwood’s flag winning side last week were Jarvis and Kennelly, both back from Geelong after being recruited as 18 year olds over the past couple of seasons and let go by Geelong as 20 year olds - to return to where they played their junior football
Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week
Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home
Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week
Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home
Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Interesting also that in Norwood’s flag winning side last week were Jarvis and Kennelly, both back from Geelong after being recruited as 18 year olds over the past couple of seasons and let go by Geelong as 20 year olds - to return to where they played their junior football
Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week
Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home
Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week
Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
A club that has established a culture of demanding success and doesn’t look for excuses as to why it can’t achieve it.
Complete opposite to St Kilda.
Complete opposite to St Kilda.
Bad management is bad management
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Re: How good are Geelong and how far away are we .
Cattle vs Fodder
Do we have the cattle?
(players - talent, attitude, fitness, knowledge and sense, healthy and realistic mindsets)
Are we feeding them the right fodder?
(Coaching - structures, leadership, plans, strategies, capacity to inspire and instill the doctrines we need)
Vs Geelong
Cattle
I'd say we are about 30% behind
Fodder
50%
Do we have the cattle?
(players - talent, attitude, fitness, knowledge and sense, healthy and realistic mindsets)
Are we feeding them the right fodder?
(Coaching - structures, leadership, plans, strategies, capacity to inspire and instill the doctrines we need)
Vs Geelong
Cattle
I'd say we are about 30% behind
Fodder
50%
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!