Problem with all that Vort is - you don’t know Clarkson wasn’t available to us had we been upfront on our due diligence. Clarkson a friend of Ratten. He’s also a hard headed AFL coach who knows how the AFL coa hung merry go round works. Hence why Nick Riewoldt at the time was urging the club to have a go and do it’s proper due diligence. My take? We took the easy path at 8-3, which is staggering when so many were saying there was zero need to pull the extension trigger on Ratten. It’s like we try so hard to be liked that we are incapable of being ruthless. That’s sad.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 11 Sep 2022 3:18pmClarkson was never available to us unless you truly believe we should have beat North to the punch by sacking Ratten before North sacked Noble as a cunning strategy to lure him here, and then there's the really small issue of Clarkson stating he would NEVER take a job at a club while there was a coach still contracted, AND Essendon found out the hard way he is true to his word on that score. To suggest we had a genuine chance of luring Clarko to StKilda and all the club had to do to seal the deal was sack our coach midseason or delay sacking until season's end is delusional and completely and conveniently ignores the reality of the whole matter including not least of all he would have had to WANT to come to us in the first place AND shaft a friend of his along the way. I'm guessing he cares about his credibility and integrity a lot more than that, not to mention value his friendships more than you suggest.Teflon wrote: ↑Sun 11 Sep 2022 11:47amThe comp is pretty evenVortex wrote: ↑Sun 11 Sep 2022 9:13amHe's gone either way you look at from a St Kilda perspective, can anyone see us competing with the likes of the current top 4 sides any time soon, how do we stand a chance when two gun midfielders can just walk to Richmond, how do we compete with that. Having a quality list is something we are always going to struggle obtaining being a poor club and possibly the only way we can achieve that is through complete tanking and collecting as many first rounders as possible to build a core around, similar to how we built the 2000 to 2010 list. Although with that list we had a bit of extra luck due to Carltons misfortune which gifted us extra star power like Goddard.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 10 Sep 2022 11:01amLol balls not to change??Vortex wrote: ↑Sat 10 Sep 2022 9:52amOr the balls not to change. Sometimes the best decision is not to make a change.
2024 will be the year for decisions on rebuilds and coaches. Until then the list is where significant change is required.
The list is overrated, the core is too small and defective. The club and recruiters will fast track our next wooden spoon if they think we are capable of finals 4 footy with this list.
The clubs made a mistake de appointing Ratten…Bassatt knows it and he’s been sold a pup by his footy Dept so he wants an independent view and has Noble in.
It’s too late ofcourse as after 3 years of Ratten we’ve seen enough to know what he brings but they stuffed it
Don’t try make it sound like it’s a considered strategy - what nonsense
Clubs coaching is in a state
He’s got 12 months and if we are here this time next year he’s gone
We will be at best with this list a middling team before we crash and have to go into full rebuild, my prediction is in 2024 unless we get some incredible luck in the next two trade years.
Sure the coach is crap, the list is crapper.
We beat Cats , beat Tigers shoulda beat Lions and Swans and finally (when our coach made move Rd 1 of Sincs to the middle) hit the front late against Pies…(why he never did that again has me stuffed) point is we have a core of 26/27 year olds and it’s either supplement them now for a genuine tilt or full rebuild.
This is why getting a top coach, like Clarkson, in was so important - as a club we’ve been irrelevant for 10 years now…I’m not sure we can survive being irrelevant for another 10. We had to move , had the perfect opportunity to do it and this Board wet the bed. Clarkson alone would have brought the Blight effect a small club like ours needed.
Anyway, it can change quick (look at Pies) if we can get more from mid aged bracket - Clark Coffield Gresham Higgins Hayes Billings plus keep developing NWM, Windy , Owens and King plus bring in (assume we choose right) 2 more highly rated draft picks we can start to see a new core emerge and perhaps we go back /tread water 1 year before pushing up
That willl still require a total shift in our game plan/skill level and I think new coach
So Teffers, let's say you've sacked Ratts because you thought it would get you Clarko, what would have been your plan B, which coach that is gettable would you have chosen as your second choice recognising you've already sacked Ratts, but you didn't care because you felt strongly that anybody else other than Ratts is the solution to all our problems. Who was gettable that would have been your second choice?
And regardless if we had secured Clarko or not you tell Brett - see you later in season to chat Brett …you focus on making finals. That would’ve answered the question.
Who else would I have looked??? Yze (yes untried) comes highly rated (so did McRae) point is at that stage run a proper process and get the best.
But no, Lethlean came out and said - Brett’s our long term man….then the wheels fella completely off (as you said earlier….we were beating sides who were not at their best/missing players). The Board brought this lock stock….now Bassatt (with his bi polar emails telling us we are either in the window OR now…will not accept mediocrity and thus a full review will be undertaken) have finally realised the footy Dept have been drinking their own bath water.
Either way it’s a compete c**k up abd why we have 1 flag in 150 years.
What a toxic pack of morons are Essendon!