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Re: Sinclair all Australian
So I guess your answer is ..."No, I never get tired of bitching and moaning and complaining the whole football world is bias against the club I support".CURLY wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 8:55amPriority picks are available to all teams as are father sons. Getting gifted top 3 talent simply because they live in the stae is ridiculous.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 8:29amDo you ever get tired of moaning?
Were you bitching when we were gifted #2 in 2000 and #5 in 2001 as priority picks & used the pre-season draft as a way to extract rival teams players?
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Sinclair is probably the most skillful player we have had in a long time
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Following the Saints will do that to people. Unfortunately for Curly it has affected him more than most.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 4:50pmSo I guess your answer is ..."No, I never get tired of bitching and moaning and complaining the whole football world is bias against the club I support".CURLY wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 8:55amPriority picks are available to all teams as are father sons. Getting gifted top 3 talent simply because they live in the stae is ridiculous.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 8:29amDo you ever get tired of moaning?
Were you bitching when we were gifted #2 in 2000 and #5 in 2001 as priority picks & used the pre-season draft as a way to extract rival teams players?
Some gain hope and determination from defeat...Curly has opted for the "it's the world against us approach" each to their own but his path is based on fantasy
Hopefully you can join the rest of us sooner than later Curly . Thumbs up.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
I reckon Hunter Clark's got the goods if he puts in the work. I hope the rumours about him getting traded are wrong.The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:24pm Sinclair is probably the most skillful player we have had in a long time
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
bradley hill has him covered.The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:24pm Sinclair is probably the most skillful player we have had in a long time
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
scratch that.
had him covered.
then he came to us.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
so here's the conundrum ... how has Sincs not lost his skills under this coaching regime where others have ??? lets bottle itdesertsaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:57pmbradley hill has him covered.The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:24pm Sinclair is probably the most skillful player we have had in a long time
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
scratch that.
had him covered.
then he came to us.
so preempting a Vortex question "who has lot them under Ratts"
Butler
Higgins
Paton
howard
Gresham
anyone want to add ?
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 8:05pmso here's the conundrum ... how has Sincs not lost his skills under this coaching regime where others have ??? lets bottle itdesertsaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:57pmbradley hill has him covered.The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 7:24pm Sinclair is probably the most skillful player we have had in a long time
who have we had that has his skills recently ?
scratch that.
had him covered.
then he came to us.
so preempting a Vortex question "who has lot them under Ratts"
Butler
Higgins
Paton
howard
Gresham
anyone want to add ?
I remember Coffield having good skills early on, and then started butchering it, and only started to regain his efficiency at the end of last year.
Wilkie has maintained his disposal reliability.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Could have posed a very solid argument for inclusion last season.
The selectors seem to want a could of AA seasons before you are rewarded with a Blazer.
Fair enough, as long as they are consistent.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
oh yes he is , its hard to argue he isnt the most skilled in the side.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Firey you can always rely on Scallop the walloper to be on the moneyThe Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 11:10pmoh yes he is , its hard to argue he isnt the most skilled in the side.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Callum Wilkie, Josh Battle and Jarrod Lienert have a better disposal efficiency in 2022. Should we exclude DE as a skill?The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 11:10pmoh yes he is , its hard to argue he isnt the most skilled in the side.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Don't just look at stat's wallop they can be misleadingScollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 11:26pmCallum Wilkie, Josh Battle and Jarrod Lienert have a better disposal efficiency in 2022. Should we exclude DE as a skill?The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 11:10pmoh yes he is , its hard to argue he isnt the most skilled in the side.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 11:10pmoh yes he is , its hard to argue he isnt the most skilled in the side.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
Yes, and Sinclair is complete in his skills too.
He hits the contest at pace and can pick the ball up.
Deft footwork in traffic.
Quick and accurate by foot and hand.
Exceptional decision maker, with very good football judgement.
Reads the play beautifully.
Pretty good spoiler.
His contested marking improved this year.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
DE is a stat and not a skill. Many poor kickers can achieve high DE as they chip the ball sideways. ie Geary.
Sinclair is a playmaker. Kicks and handballs to good options in space.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
One thing Sincs doesn't do is fumble. He is a master of the one grab, unlike most of his teammates. He is very cool under pressure and rarely makes a mistake, He is certainly elite. Who else on our list is?Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
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The quote was made that he is our most skillful. I beg to differ. I chose DE because it is a measure of skill and I chose the guys who stand beside Sincs and play in the backline. All are not just stoppers. The 3 guys quoted are also ‘playmakers’. They don’t equal Sincs in all areas and they don’t match his overall game.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Fri 26 Aug 2022 11:45amDE is a stat and not a skill. Many poor kickers can achieve high DE as they chip the ball sideways. ie Geary.
Sinclair is a playmaker. Kicks and handballs to good options in space.
Anyhooo…Well done Sincs.
Not downplaying what is a remarkable achievement for a guy who was picked up as a rookie and took about five years to establish himself in the team (should have played more games in the firsts but Cho didn’t think so)
Glad to see that a few forum regulars have picked up that he can play. Some of us were calling it in his first 2 years
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
That’s why we kept you and got rid of Con.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 26 Aug 2022 6:04pmThe quote was made that he is our most skillful. I beg to differ. I chose DE because it is a measure of skill and I chose the guys who stand beside Sincs and play in the backline. All are not just stoppers. The 3 guys quoted are also ‘playmakers’. They don’t equal Sincs in all areas and they don’t match his overall game.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Fri 26 Aug 2022 11:45amDE is a stat and not a skill. Many poor kickers can achieve high DE as they chip the ball sideways. ie Geary.
Sinclair is a playmaker. Kicks and handballs to good options in space.
Anyhooo…Well done Sincs.
Not downplaying what is a remarkable achievement for a guy who was picked up as a rookie and took about five years to establish himself in the team (should have played more games in the firsts but Cho didn’t think so)
Glad to see that a few forum regulars have picked up that he can play. Some of us were calling it in his first 2 years
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
I totally disagree.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Aug 2022 10:08pm Sinclair isn’t the most skillful. He’s built hard work into his game and everything we love about aussie rules. He’s courageous, he’s hard, he’s got a lovely side step, he competes well in the air and he defends well too.
I think Sincs needs to thank Ratts for not moving him into the midfield too much this year, because I highly doubt he would have earned All Australian honours competing for a midfield role….Bont and Libba very stiff to have missed. In fact there are rumours that he’s carved into a tree on the outer at Moorabbin: Sincs 4 Ratts 4 eva
Clark hasn’t got the endurance or the speed of Sincs but he is a beautiful kick on both sides
Hill is definitely the most skilled when it comes to long 40-50 m weighted kicks.
Steele has him covered on overall skill especially one on one marking ability and Steele is also a great kick to a team mate or taking a set shot for goal. I’d love to know what Steeley’s percentage rate is for goals to behinds. I reckon he’d be elite.
The other one that you can’t discount for skills is our big Maxy. Not only his kicking on both feet and his skyscraper height marking but also his speed, and his ability to swoop on a loose ground ball is also pretty handy.
Sincs is the most skillful by a large margin.
Hill butchers it on too many occasions and his defensive skills are nil.
Clark has a long way to go to get to Sincs level but he certainly has shown potential which has been curtailed by injury.
Steele is certainly something special and has him covered in many areas but I think Sincs is more creative and effective when he gets the ball.
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
If you look at some of Clark's best games in red white and black, there is undeniable skill and talent. We just haven't seen him doing it as consistently as Sincs
When Steel is on and when he's in form he is our best player. Skill wise. Toughness. Creativity. Efficiency. Shots at goal...you name it!!
Have a look at the stats for our last game of the year. Compare them if you like. If disposal efficiency is not a measure of skill I don’t know what it is. And remember...1 is an inside mid who also lines up at stoppages and at centre bounces in the congestion
Steele has 2 All Australian jackets and he didn't just earn them because he's our best tackler.
The above post re Sincs vs Steele says "Sincs is more creative and effective when he gets the ball" - not in my book for a body of work over the last 4 years
When Steel is on and when he's in form he is our best player. Skill wise. Toughness. Creativity. Efficiency. Shots at goal...you name it!!
Have a look at the stats for our last game of the year. Compare them if you like. If disposal efficiency is not a measure of skill I don’t know what it is. And remember...1 is an inside mid who also lines up at stoppages and at centre bounces in the congestion
Steele has 2 All Australian jackets and he didn't just earn them because he's our best tackler.
The above post re Sincs vs Steele says "Sincs is more creative and effective when he gets the ball" - not in my book for a body of work over the last 4 years
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Re: Sinclair all Australian
Have you ever stopped to think
Why are all the top DE players defenders?
Obviously it stands to reason, when the defence wins the footy, the opposition folds back and allows an uncontested kick
So generally they kick under little pressure into the fat part of the ground
Defenders should go at 80% DE (90% is elite)
Mids and forwards at 60% DE (70 is elite)
Why are all the top DE players defenders?
Obviously it stands to reason, when the defence wins the footy, the opposition folds back and allows an uncontested kick
So generally they kick under little pressure into the fat part of the ground
Defenders should go at 80% DE (90% is elite)
Mids and forwards at 60% DE (70 is elite)