They are multiplying like rabbits.
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23153
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9099 times
- Been thanked: 3946 times
They are multiplying like rabbits.
The AFL has decided that there will be 4 umpires per game in 2023. As if three weren't more than enough.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4335
- Joined: Fri 15 Sep 2006 10:35am
- Location: earth
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1464 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
I'm not against it. Just pay every free kick that's there, that's all I ask
- Sainter_Dad
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6345
- Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008 1:04pm
- Has thanked: 263 times
- Been thanked: 1128 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
LOL - at the moment we get the worst 3 of 27 (ie 25/26/27 best in the league) next year we will get the worst 4 of 36 (ie 33/34/35/36)
Forgive me if I wonder if we would not be better having 1 umpire that misses some frees - but is at least in the best 10 of the country
“Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever.”
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5786 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
I think we can get rid of boundary umpires can't we? Last touch etc rather than the lottery that is the "deliberate" rule.
Wasn't there a shortage of umpires at the start of the year, country wide, all levels? Now the AFL is about to make that shortage greater.
Wasn't there a shortage of umpires at the start of the year, country wide, all levels? Now the AFL is about to make that shortage greater.
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13328
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 680 times
- Been thanked: 1965 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4327
- Joined: Fri 17 Nov 2006 1:05am
- Has thanked: 56 times
- Been thanked: 245 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
great
so when we play the Weagles in perth they'll get even more frees !
so when we play the Weagles in perth they'll get even more frees !
In red white and black from 73
- Sanctorum
- Club Player
- Posts: 1956
- Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
- Has thanked: 1540 times
- Been thanked: 1070 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
It's a bit like the NFL in the States: in every NFL game there are seven officials on the field.
These are: referee, umpire, down judge, line judge, field judge, side judge, and back judge.
When you consider that AFL is played on a much bigger field, immensely faster and with 18 players (NFL just 11) per team it's perhaps not unreasonable in the modern era of "instant video replays" to have a 4th field umpire.
Apart from decisions about whether or not the ball has passed the posts untouched, AFL does not stop to check if a player has infringed, unlike in most other football codes where play can be held up for protracted periods while things are scrutinised. And that need to stay that way.
Like it or not, the game is constantly evolving and things are never going to be perfect or please everyone.
When I look back to the 50's, 60's and 70's, today's game is quite different and I still get immense pleasure and satisfaction watching the modern game.
These are: referee, umpire, down judge, line judge, field judge, side judge, and back judge.
When you consider that AFL is played on a much bigger field, immensely faster and with 18 players (NFL just 11) per team it's perhaps not unreasonable in the modern era of "instant video replays" to have a 4th field umpire.
Apart from decisions about whether or not the ball has passed the posts untouched, AFL does not stop to check if a player has infringed, unlike in most other football codes where play can be held up for protracted periods while things are scrutinised. And that need to stay that way.
Like it or not, the game is constantly evolving and things are never going to be perfect or please everyone.
When I look back to the 50's, 60's and 70's, today's game is quite different and I still get immense pleasure and satisfaction watching the modern game.
"Any candidate for political office, once chosen for leadership, must have the will to take the wheel of a very powerful car, tasked from time to time to make a fast journey down a narrow, precipitous mountain road – and be highly skilled at driving. Otherwise, he is disqualified from the company of competent leaders."
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 14037
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1314 times
- Been thanked: 2093 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
4 umpires means they have to cover less ground less quickly, so that high level of fitness required is less of a barrier keeping the best decision makers out.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10476
- Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
- Location: WARBURTON
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 1336 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
Given they ignore stuff they see this will make no difference
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2490
- Joined: Mon 19 Mar 2012 8:54pm
- Has thanked: 140 times
- Been thanked: 546 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
Great now we have 4 different interpretations of the rules instead of 3 ,that's going to be interesting
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23153
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9099 times
- Been thanked: 3946 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
Yep, or the AFL was as usual talking crap just to justify their supposed crack down on maggot abuse.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 20 Aug 2022 5:08pm I think we can get rid of boundary umpires can't we? Last touch etc rather than the lottery that is the "deliberate" rule.
Wasn't there a shortage of umpires at the start of the year, country wide, all levels? Now the AFL is about to make that shortage greater.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12083
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3701 times
- Been thanked: 2574 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
If there's 4 umpires you'd think there'd be more frees given, but I reckon if each guy thinks the other guy will pay the free, perhaps there'll be less frees overall.
Possible scenario - Umpire A thinks to himself; "Gee that looked like an arm chop but I better not pay it this late in the game in case I'm wrong. Hopefully Umpire B saw it and pays the free, that way they will cop the heat and abuse if it's the wrong call"
The worse thing that can happen is that people (i.e media) don't give the new system a chance to bed down and there's too much criticism early on when the umps are getting used to the changes. I think just like fatigue impacts players and especially their goal kicking and decision making, maybe if umpires are not as fatigued it will be a good thing
The main thing that the AFL and umpires bosses need to work on is the interpretations and making sure there is consistency
Possible scenario - Umpire A thinks to himself; "Gee that looked like an arm chop but I better not pay it this late in the game in case I'm wrong. Hopefully Umpire B saw it and pays the free, that way they will cop the heat and abuse if it's the wrong call"
The worse thing that can happen is that people (i.e media) don't give the new system a chance to bed down and there's too much criticism early on when the umps are getting used to the changes. I think just like fatigue impacts players and especially their goal kicking and decision making, maybe if umpires are not as fatigued it will be a good thing
The main thing that the AFL and umpires bosses need to work on is the interpretations and making sure there is consistency
- D.B.Cooper
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2197
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 789 times
- Been thanked: 747 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
Perhaps each game should have one designated Centre bounce umpire.
If you remove the bounce skill and extreme fitness running required, you may get better decision making?
I hope for less free kicks but fear this will turn into a free kick fest.
Though not a big fan on rule changes, I agree with above comment about potentially getting rid of boundary umpires and last touch free kick could be an interesting rule change.
If you remove the bounce skill and extreme fitness running required, you may get better decision making?
I hope for less free kicks but fear this will turn into a free kick fest.
Though not a big fan on rule changes, I agree with above comment about potentially getting rid of boundary umpires and last touch free kick could be an interesting rule change.
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 14037
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1314 times
- Been thanked: 2093 times
Re: They are multiplying like rabbits.
Well the crackdown obviously hasn’t worked on you Stinger!saynta wrote: ↑Sat 20 Aug 2022 11:49pmYep, or the AFL was as usual talking crap just to justify their supposed crack down on maggot abuse.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 20 Aug 2022 5:08pm I think we can get rid of boundary umpires can't we? Last touch etc rather than the lottery that is the "deliberate" rule.
Wasn't there a shortage of umpires at the start of the year, country wide, all levels? Now the AFL is about to make that shortage greater.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.