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Re: Max King
Just watched the replay & thought Max was good last night especially up the ground some really strong contested marks & ended up with 3 goals so he might have some of the knockers of his back until next week anyway
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Re: Max King
Give the grubs time. I'm sure they will turn on the saints at the first opportunity.bangaulegend wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jul 2022 8:12pm Just watched the replay & thought Max was good last night especially up the ground some really strong contested marks & ended up with 3 goals so he might have some of the knockers of his back until next week anyway
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Impressed with Max though. Agile for a bloke his size.
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Re: Max King
Agreedbangaulegend wrote: ↑Sat 02 Jul 2022 8:12pm Just watched the replay & thought Max was good last night especially up the ground some really strong contested marks & ended up with 3 goals so he might have some of the knockers of his back until next week anyway
I’d rather King kick 3 every week with 3-4 goal kickers spread across the field to be honest
He was also important as a link player
I can’t believe anyone would suggest he didn’t have a hood game??
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Re: Max King
He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
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Re: Max King
Not before you it would seem.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
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Re: Max King
Nice try at vortexing.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
Max is 4th in the goalkicking, will probably kick over 50 goals this year, in a forward line which has often been disjointed and often he is competing against at least two opponents.
His conversion rate is the worst amongst the top 20 goal kickers this year, if he improved conversion to their level he would be about second in the goalkicking. Needs to improve that aspect, otherwise he's fine.
We need to sort out the functioning of the forward line, more to the point.
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Re: Max King
Levi Casboult is on 33 with a game to play today.takeaway wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:41pmNice try at vortexing.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
Max is 4th in the goalkicking, will probably kick over 50 goals this year, in a forward line which has often been disjointed and often he is competing against at least two opponents.
His conversion rate is the worst amongst the top 20 goal kickers this year, if he improved conversion to their level he would be about second in the goalkicking. Needs to improve that aspect, otherwise he's fine.
We need to sort out the functioning of the forward line, more to the point.
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Re: Max King
2.5 needs to kick them but if he kicks 5.2 he’s a super star
Anyway next thread
Anyway next thread
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Re: Max King
2.5 needs to kick them but if he kicks 5.2 he’s a super star
Anyway next thread
Anyway next thread
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Re: Max King
Yeah but I think Levi’s had a few more games than Max…so I’m comfortable in Max’s career trajectory
Are you saying Levi’s as good as Max ??
Fascinating..
Sharman you might have a point right now…
But do tell us all why Max is no good now and won’t make it…
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Re: Max King
Stop being so sensible Teffers.
Max has had three seasons post ACL and he’s not Plugger standard yet so he’s a bust #4 pick with mental & algae problems.
Don’t look at Harry McKay as a similar comparison who took 5-6 seasons to develop into a consistent damaging key forward, pot the young man as a bust #4 pick who is ahead of McKay at the same age because he is not Wayne Carey yet.
FWIW and only on TV, I thought he looked pretty good and mobile last night playing higher up the ground and appeared to lead more at the kicker.
Obviously set shots still an issue.
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Re: Max King
Agreed ridiculous criticism of MaxD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 2:44pmStop being so sensible Teffers.
Max has had three seasons post ACL and he’s not Plugger standard yet so he’s a bust #4 pick with mental & algae problems.
Don’t look at Harry McKay as a similar comparison who took 5-6 seasons to develop into a consistent damaging key forward, pot the young man as a bust #4 pick who is ahead of McKay at the same age because he is not Wayne Carey yet.
FWIW and only on TV, I thought he looked pretty good and mobile last night playing higher up the ground and appeared to lead more at the kicker.
Obviously set shots still an issue.
I just did a comparison of Max and H McKay for this year (Harry is 2 years older). Their figures for this year are almost identical (courtesy AFL stats)
Then I looked up Hawkins as a young player, it took him until his 6th season (really 4th as first two not many games) to kick over 40 goals
I think Max is doing really well and as I have said can’t wait for 2024 and have him surrounded by NWM, Marcus and Mitch, it’s going to be fun
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Re: Max King
On Max King
- Screaming for a tall forward who can take marks
- Looking for a player half decent below the knees
At 50 games Max is filling both these roles - gives us a tall and - effectively another small
I would still imagine he would draw to 5 in a draft
He is a gun - and will get his kicking sorted - will probably spend all off season on it - someone needs to just settle his routine
The top 5 in the current Coleman race:
I for one am happy with his progress - sure I want 10 goals a game - but 2.5 as an average puts you in Cameron territory and he is 35 goals from that (21 and he shares an average with Hawkins) - so a couple of 'bags' and he will be there
He IS a once in a generation player - FFS - back off and let him mature
He is 22 years old and usually draws the #1 defender - in fact usually draws 2 or 3 - it is up to the rest of the team to provide the separation to help Maxxy master his craft
- Screaming for a tall forward who can take marks
- Looking for a player half decent below the knees
At 50 games Max is filling both these roles - gives us a tall and - effectively another small
I would still imagine he would draw to 5 in a draft
He is a gun - and will get his kicking sorted - will probably spend all off season on it - someone needs to just settle his routine
The top 5 in the current Coleman race:
Player | Club | Goals | Total Goals | Games | Average |
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Charlie Curnow | Carlton | 59 | 129 | 78 | 1.65 |
Jeremy Cameron | Geelong | 54 | 520 | 205 | 2.54 |
Tom Hawkins | Geelong | 51 | 714 | 321 | 2.22 |
Max King | St Kilda | 46 | 98 | 53 | 1.85 |
Peter Wright | Essendon | 45 | 159 | 105 | 1.51 |
He IS a once in a generation player - FFS - back off and let him mature
He is 22 years old and usually draws the #1 defender - in fact usually draws 2 or 3 - it is up to the rest of the team to provide the separation to help Maxxy master his craft
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Re: Max King
I suppose GameDay life will remain tough for Max as long as we don't have another marking tall fwd, Brad Hill can't get much of the ball and we don't have another good kick at centre bounces.
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Re: Max King
LOL - or if we have say - Long streaming towards goal unmarked and we look for King in the Pocket
Higgins would have had time to retrieve the ball - take his boots off - swap them for the other feet - re-tie them - and then kick the goal - but we kick it to King
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Re: Max King
Good illustration. So predictable.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 3:27pmLOL - or if we have say - Higgins streaming towards goal unmarked and we look for King in the Pocket
Higgins would have had time to retrieve the ball - take his boots off - swap them for the other feet - re-tie them - and then kick the goal - but we kick it to King
And as a side bar, Higgins needs to make himself more dangerous and demand.
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Re: Max King
I think the demand isn’t the issue... he did that a lot and rather consistently earlier in the yearYorkeys wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 3:40pmGood illustration. So predictable.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 3:27pmLOL - or if we have say - Higgins streaming towards goal unmarked and we look for King in the Pocket
Higgins would have had time to retrieve the ball - take his boots off - swap them for the other feet - re-tie them - and then kick the goal - but we kick it to King
And as a side bar, Higgins needs to make himself more dangerous and demand.
He simply needs to be more confident in drilling those so that his team mates back him to do it
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Re: Max King
Secret_Vortex is just blessing us with some more of his customary horrible takes!
Kicked 2.5 but had a lot of low percentage shots. Needs to get out of the pockets.
And pretty sure he won the Adelaide game off his own boot.
How many blokes have we had not named Roo who have kicked 50 goals in a season in the last 15 years?
Kicked 2.5 but had a lot of low percentage shots. Needs to get out of the pockets.
And pretty sure he won the Adelaide game off his own boot.
How many blokes have we had not named Roo who have kicked 50 goals in a season in the last 15 years?
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Re: Max King
I’m sure you say things like this just to get a rise out of everyone and you said I was like ErnieVortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.
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Re: Max King
No No No - this is Saintsational - stop making sense!
Year | Player | Goals | Behinds |
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2022 | Max King | 44 | 31 |
2021 | Max King | 38 | 30 |
2020 | Dan Butler | 27 | 11 |
2019 | Tim Membrey | 44 | 17 |
2018 | Jade Gresham | 35 | 20 |
2017 | Tim Membrey | 38 | 14 |
2016 | Tim Membrey | 44 | 18 |
2015 | Josh Bruce | 50 | 24 |
2014 | Nick Riewoldt | 49 | 21 |
2013 | Nick Riewoldt | 50 | 36 |
2012 | Stephen Milne | 56 | 38 |
2011 | Stephen Milne | 55 | 32 |
2010 | Stephen Milne | 48 | 27 |
2009 | Nick Riewoldt | 68 | 44 |
2008 | Nick Riewoldt | 56 | 39 |
2007 | Fraser Gehrig | 59 | 35 |
2006 | Fraser Gehrig | 68 | 35 |
2005 | Fraser Gehrig | 74 | 47 |
2004 | Fraser Gehrig | 90 | 34 |
2003 | Fraser Gehrig | 55 | 34 |
2002 | Stephen Milne | 50 | 11 |
So last 10 years:
2015 - Josh Bruce - 50
2013 - Nick Reiwoldt - 50
2012 - Stephen Milne - 56
Pretty sure Max sits comfortable in those names
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/stkilda/leadinggk.html
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Re: Max King
no question of that at all, it's a fargin forum, if we all came on here and said the same thing because we lacked freedom of thought wouldn't it be a real boring place then huh.The Fireman wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:26pmI’m sure you say things like this just to get a rise out of everyone and you said I was like ErnieVortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.![]()
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So you are using ernie as a role modelVortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:36pmno question of that at all, it's a fargin forum, if we all came on here and said the same thing because we lacked freedom of thought wouldn't it be a real boring place then huh.The Fireman wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:26pmI’m sure you say things like this just to get a rise out of everyone and you said I was like ErnieVortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.![]()
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Re: Max King
And is just getting started. Bring back Hayes and secure a front line tap ruckman and the next 5 years will just get better.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:31pmNo No No - this is Saintsational - stop making sense!
Last 20 years of highest St Kilda goal kickers
Year Player Goals Behinds 2022 Max King 44 31 2021 Max King 38 30 2020 Dan Butler 27 11 2019 Tim Membrey 44 17 2018 Jade Gresham 35 20 2017 Tim Membrey 38 14 2016 Tim Membrey 44 18 2015 Josh Bruce 50 24 2014 Nick Riewoldt 49 21 2013 Nick Riewoldt 50 36 2012 Stephen Milne 56 38 2011 Stephen Milne 55 32 2010 Stephen Milne 48 27 2009 Nick Riewoldt 68 44 2008 Nick Riewoldt 56 39 2007 Fraser Gehrig 59 35 2006 Fraser Gehrig 68 35 2005 Fraser Gehrig 74 47 2004 Fraser Gehrig 90 34 2003 Fraser Gehrig 55 34 2002 Stephen Milne 50 11
So last 10 years:
2015 - Josh Bruce - 50
2013 - Nick Reiwoldt - 50
2012 - Stephen Milne - 56
Pretty sure Max sits comfortable in those names
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/stkilda/leadinggk.html
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Re: Max King
it's a forum with anonymous posters...perspective.The Fireman wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:38pmSo Ernie was ok ?Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:36pmno question of that at all, it's a fargin forum, if we all came on here and said the same thing because we lacked freedom of thought wouldn't it be a real boring place then huh.The Fireman wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 4:26pmI’m sure you say things like this just to get a rise out of everyone and you said I was like ErnieVortex wrote: ↑Sun 31 Jul 2022 1:12pm He's really struggling to live up to the hype isn't he.
Has he had a breakout game yet or a game that belies his DP4 draft standing.
The excuse seems to be he's only 22 but I'm not so sure.
If he's not careful the media will turn on him and start to openly ask these types of questions.![]()