The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11322
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1312 times
- Been thanked: 447 times
The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Has anyone also noticed how often Brad Hill gets the ball, he’ll try to take on his opponents and just end up aimlessly spinning like a top, or doing a whirling dervish?
Gresham seems to have cottoned onto Hill’s dance moves this season, as well.
Invariably, the ball gets turned over after they try to execute this manoeuvre.
It has been painful to watch. Please, someone, make it stop!
Gresham seems to have cottoned onto Hill’s dance moves this season, as well.
Invariably, the ball gets turned over after they try to execute this manoeuvre.
It has been painful to watch. Please, someone, make it stop!
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11551
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3522 times
- Been thanked: 2464 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Dougal has a variation on the dance where he also does the splits
...could cause him to twist his knee and rip his groins, but it's very amusing to watch![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
...could cause him to twist his knee and rip his groins, but it's very amusing to watch
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6582
- Joined: Sat 11 Jun 2011 4:52pm
- Location: Here
- Has thanked: 1276 times
- Been thanked: 463 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Every time Hill gets tackled it's holding the ball as he's usually had ample opportunity and then doesn't get rid of it, ever. Does he think the umps will just ball it up? Bloody hell.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
- meher baba
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7196
- Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
- Location: Tasmania
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 502 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
I think Hill’s main problem is that he is nowhere near as good by foot as gumby Brian Taylor and the other commentators think he is. And he knows it.
So he can’t create space with his kicks: he has to wait for players to run well into the clear. And our midfield isn’t much good at that.
This is why I definitely agree with those who think he would go much better at HF then at HB.
So he can’t create space with his kicks: he has to wait for players to run well into the clear. And our midfield isn’t much good at that.
This is why I definitely agree with those who think he would go much better at HF then at HB.
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
- Jonathan Swift
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1824
- Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 5:54pm
- Has thanked: 119 times
- Been thanked: 381 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Disagree with the OP. Far from discouraging Hill taking on opponents I would be continuing to encourage it. Sure, he gets caught on occasions and it does not look good, but more often than not he gets through or at the least gets out a handball or chip kick to another player.
When he does get through, it puts us right on the front foot, especially as he is an excellent kick, encouraging forwards to lead for once. He has always done it, that is Brad Hill. What would be more helpful would be more support around when he tries to get clear.
Same with Gresham taking on opponents, he has always had a few dance moves, and takes opponents on, and should continue to try.
Sinclair does, Webster, couple of others, should be more, like for instance Billings, who tends to play it safe. Like him to try and get around a few opponents, even if he gets caught on occasions.
You just need to watch how Melbourne play, and Saints play their best when they take the game on, take risks. We have to now anyway.
When he does get through, it puts us right on the front foot, especially as he is an excellent kick, encouraging forwards to lead for once. He has always done it, that is Brad Hill. What would be more helpful would be more support around when he tries to get clear.
Same with Gresham taking on opponents, he has always had a few dance moves, and takes opponents on, and should continue to try.
Sinclair does, Webster, couple of others, should be more, like for instance Billings, who tends to play it safe. Like him to try and get around a few opponents, even if he gets caught on occasions.
You just need to watch how Melbourne play, and Saints play their best when they take the game on, take risks. We have to now anyway.
- asiu
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10313
- Joined: Thu 08 Apr 2010 8:11pm
- Has thanked: 1327 times
- Been thanked: 932 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
yes
take em on
and keep taking em on
and then keep at it until we are good at it
... somewhere (hopefully early) things will CLICK 'n we'll be a force
sort of gotta be ... partyboys
coz thats who we are.
imo fwtw
take em on
and keep taking em on
and then keep at it until we are good at it
... somewhere (hopefully early) things will CLICK 'n we'll be a force
sort of gotta be ... partyboys
coz thats who we are.
imo fwtw
![Image](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iUpoNBZyaBc/R0zVk-1LCZI/AAAAAAAAAg0/9eeT7D6cnaA/s320/compass-blu-265x220.gif)
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
.tipara waranta kani nina-tu.
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13243
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 644 times
- Been thanked: 1907 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
i just love the word "whirling Dervish"
Thread title of the month for mine.
Thread title of the month for mine.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11322
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1312 times
- Been thanked: 447 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Some fair points made. It’s just infuriating to see it happen so frequently and often at crucial moments.takeaway wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jul 2022 12:46pm Disagree with the OP. Far from discouraging Hill taking on opponents I would be continuing to encourage it. Sure, he gets caught on occasions and it does not look good, but more often than not he gets through or at the least gets out a handball or chip kick to another player.
When he does get through, it puts us right on the front foot, especially as he is an excellent kick, encouraging forwards to lead for once. He has always done it, that is Brad Hill. What would be more helpful would be more support around when he tries to get clear.
Same with Gresham taking on opponents, he has always had a few dance moves, and takes opponents on, and should continue to try.
Sinclair does, Webster, couple of others, should be more, like for instance Billings, who tends to play it safe. Like him to try and get around a few opponents, even if he gets caught on occasions.
You just need to watch how Melbourne play, and Saints play their best when they take the game on, take risks. We have to now anyway.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/LkJcQq3.jpg?2)
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1223
- Joined: Thu 22 Sep 2011 1:18pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 570 times
- Been thanked: 109 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
Hill played his best game for our club on the HFF & has barely been put there since particularly as we have several HBF who fit the bill,I just don’t understand it!
PADDLEPOP1000
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 536
- Joined: Wed 14 Sep 2011 8:33pm
- Location: not victoria
- Has thanked: 12 times
- Been thanked: 76 times
Re: The Indecisive Whirling Dervish
great thread title- I immediately thought it referred to Gresham rather than Hill. Why do they so often run themselves into trouble ? Hill rarely has a get out option running with him (watch the better teams- typically one or two shadowing the runner) which is not his fault. Gresham, if he had support runners typically runs them out of position with his "whirling Dervish" impressions. Unlike Sinclair who can kick out of trouble Gresham can't kick.
the invisible and the non existent look very much alike