Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
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Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Oh..dear...
Here we go again...
Name your top 3 reasons.
Make it short, sharp and sweet!
Here we go again...
Name your top 3 reasons.
Make it short, sharp and sweet!
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Shite Club.
List not AFL quality.
Game plan out of date.
ratten was heard to say, what's a game plan ?
List not AFL quality.
Game plan out of date.
ratten was heard to say, what's a game plan ?
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Little star quality
Poor structure. Have only two key positions covered.
Bereft of confidence.
Poor structure. Have only two key positions covered.
Bereft of confidence.
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Mediocre midfield
Lack of tall key position players
Poor forward set up
Lack of tall key position players
Poor forward set up
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Terrible game plan
Recruit players with average skills
Poor player development
I could go on but this short & sharp
Recruit players with average skills
Poor player development
I could go on but this short & sharp
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
SOFTNESS.
From the top down.
Virtue signalling, compassionate leave, pre-game hugging, meditation, nice guy vibes, bruise-free football.
Desperately needed a hard-nut coach to come in and shake things up.
But they're so soft they re-signed the coach on the basis of a few wins.
From the top down.
Virtue signalling, compassionate leave, pre-game hugging, meditation, nice guy vibes, bruise-free football.
Desperately needed a hard-nut coach to come in and shake things up.
But they're so soft they re-signed the coach on the basis of a few wins.
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Not a great team
No support for King
Need a power mid
No support for King
Need a power mid
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
I thought Steele was going to be the power mid.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
If you are going to play slow then you need elite kicking - our players are more likely to turn it over.
If you want to run the ball you need 2 or 3 guys with you as bail out as well as guys who can think their way thru - we rarely have more than one (usually Sinclair) and when a quick bail out handball is required either there is no-one there or it misses the target.
our turnovers are both embarrassing and dis-spiriting.
Why has this been exposed now- oppositions have figured this out. We are a slow team- the back 6 tho doing the best they can are not quick so they will try and kick their way out- we all can see how that is working.
Our forwards cannot go with running defenders who are coached well- we have just seen what happens when you allow a team to have runners streaming from defence to the outside as an option.
Finally- our forward 50 efficiency is dismal- skill errors constantly lead to turnovers.
We can't kick reliably, we do not run to support each other or if we try we are slow and therefore ineffective.
I have been a supporter for more years than most - it is hard to see that we are still so far from being competitive.
If you want to run the ball you need 2 or 3 guys with you as bail out as well as guys who can think their way thru - we rarely have more than one (usually Sinclair) and when a quick bail out handball is required either there is no-one there or it misses the target.
our turnovers are both embarrassing and dis-spiriting.
Why has this been exposed now- oppositions have figured this out. We are a slow team- the back 6 tho doing the best they can are not quick so they will try and kick their way out- we all can see how that is working.
Our forwards cannot go with running defenders who are coached well- we have just seen what happens when you allow a team to have runners streaming from defence to the outside as an option.
Finally- our forward 50 efficiency is dismal- skill errors constantly lead to turnovers.
We can't kick reliably, we do not run to support each other or if we try we are slow and therefore ineffective.
I have been a supporter for more years than most - it is hard to see that we are still so far from being competitive.
the invisible and the non existent look very much alike
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
- Possible internal rifts within the team. The level of cohesion has gone down the crapper.
- Ratten’s game plan has been foiled by all the opposition clubs and plan b is b for bust.
- Max King’s confidence is shot and our forward line is dysfunctional.
- Ratten’s game plan has been foiled by all the opposition clubs and plan b is b for bust.
- Max King’s confidence is shot and our forward line is dysfunctional.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Steele was one offender, several of his handpasses went behind a guy, who had to pull up and scramble to get it, but a Doggie usually did.
What a captain
What a captain
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
It certainly looked like players weren’t trying in qtr 1 like they haven’t brought in here at allSainternist wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 1:15am - Possible internal rifts within the team. The level of cohesion has gone down the crapper.
- Ratten’s game plan has been foiled by all the opposition clubs and plan b is b for bust.
- Max King’s confidence is shot and our forward line is dysfunctional.
Like they all just realised Brett the emperor has no clothes….
We are up Shyte creek for 2 years
“Yeah….nah””
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Ya know, I don't think Max King's confidence is shot at all.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 1:39amIt certainly looked like players weren’t trying in qtr 1 like they haven’t brought in here at allSainternist wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 1:15am - Possible internal rifts within the team. The level of cohesion has gone down the crapper.
- Ratten’s game plan has been foiled by all the opposition clubs and plan b is b for bust.
- Max King’s confidence is shot and our forward line is dysfunctional.
Like they all just realised Brett the emperor has no clothes….
We are up Shyte creek for 2 years
I think he is having a real crack, and he is showing some rumble 'n ready , but I also think there isn't cohesion anymore.
I think we are not a team in the forward line. Membery is his doing his part, like a private eye, his own private outfit, Butler his own private show, and Higgins looks like a boxer in a ring of his own. We are not a team.
The backline looks better. At least there is some finger pointing, which indicates a degree of group accountability..
But I don't think Max has lost confidence. I think he has passed beyond that point. I think he 100% believes he is the real deal, the goods, but, unfortunately, the penalty that arrives is (a,b,c) and he has to now execute (x,y,z)
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
So what now?
Quiet acceptance of what has and is unfolding before us?
Quiet acceptance of what has and is unfolding before us?
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
It cannot be the players' skill levels. How many times do we see players leave St Kilda and go on to glorious careers elsewhere. We are incapable of player development.
so my top 3:
the gameplan (lack of)
the player development (lack of)
a coach who can inspire them to play above themselves (lack of)
so my top 3:
the gameplan (lack of)
the player development (lack of)
a coach who can inspire them to play above themselves (lack of)
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
My shot,
1) agree with cwrcyn re. on field...mids weak, structurally weak
2) Football department weak - forced into crappy deals, Hannas, Hill and Ratts
3) On going piss-weak relationship with AFL - China/Cairns/NZ etc., and slavery to political flag bearer for AFL political hygiene maintenance...
1) agree with cwrcyn re. on field...mids weak, structurally weak
2) Football department weak - forced into crappy deals, Hannas, Hill and Ratts
3) On going piss-weak relationship with AFL - China/Cairns/NZ etc., and slavery to political flag bearer for AFL political hygiene maintenance...
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Try not to be too pessimistic about Ratten. As you said, we have him for at least 2 more years, but we have seen coaches being able to turn things around at other clubs. Sure, this season seems to over now, but we’ll have an opportunity reset the table over the off-season. Look, I had no idea what to expect before the year. Some suggested we could be a bottom team. There were plenty promising signs in the first half of the season. The mystery is how the team has become unstuck. We genuinely lack consistency. There really seems to be a lack of mental toughness. When things don’t go their way, seem to go right into their shells. This team needs to harden up. And Ratten needs to start getting tough on some of his players to pull their weight.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 1:39amIt certainly looked like players weren’t trying in qtr 1 like they haven’t brought in here at allSainternist wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 1:15am - Possible internal rifts within the team. The level of cohesion has gone down the crapper.
- Ratten’s game plan has been foiled by all the opposition clubs and plan b is b for bust.
- Max King’s confidence is shot and our forward line is dysfunctional.
Like they all just realised Brett the emperor has no clothes….
We are up Shyte creek for 2 years
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Too many soft players, coached to be soft
Forward structure
Short defence
Forward structure
Short defence
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
So trueWaltzing St Kilda wrote: ↑Sat 16 Jul 2022 12:05am SOFTNESS.
From the top down.
Virtue signalling, compassionate leave, pre-game hugging, meditation, nice guy vibes, bruise-free football.
Desperately needed a hard-nut coach to come in and shake things up.
But they're so soft they re-signed the coach on the basis of a few wins.
But I would just like the club to STFU
Every far king week that I hear shite coming out of the club I just about pencil in a loss .
Yes , I know that there's bigger things than footy in the world , but from the football club , I just want to hear about football . Keep all other BS in house. ( and yes I know it's important . And yes I'm sorry for anyone who's ever been connected to the club who has died or lost a relative / partner / child / pet / beloved granny or anyone going through a serious health concern or has been a victim of racism , sexual abuse in any form , bullying ..etc..etc... )
Life's tough......as any saints fan will tell ya .
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
My prediction is the club will decide to trade out half the list to teams so they can develop into stars so we can rebuild again.
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Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
Max King
Jade Gresham
These two players transcend the issue, both key players in key areas of the ground who were bought in through the draft and who the team is being built around in those areas of the ground. Both are spuds.
Jade Gresham
These two players transcend the issue, both key players in key areas of the ground who were bought in through the draft and who the team is being built around in those areas of the ground. Both are spuds.
Re: Precipitous decline of St Kilda (Part One)
1. Players passion for the club
2. Poor skills
3. Poor game plan and poor zoning
2. Poor skills
3. Poor game plan and poor zoning