Luck of the Draw?

[CURLY]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

[SaintPav]

So the Filth don’t get an advantageous draw compared to most teams?

Righty-ho!!

[D.B.Cooper]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

[CURLY]

Toughest fixture in terms of travel over the big four Vic clubs. Makes sense

[The_Dud]

So we all agree then that the AFL 'cheats' against Geelong much more than us, considering they only get 9 games at their home ground and we get 12 (plus another if we didn't sell it!)?

Glad we can all agree we get a good run from the AFL considering!

What I don't understand though is how, with all the adversity, they mange to be second on the ladder?? It's almost like none of this makes too much of a difference at all...

[CURLY]

So we all agree then that the AFL 'cheats' against Geelong much more than us, considering they only get 9 games at their home ground and we get 12 (plus another if we didn't sell it!)?

Glad we can all agree we get a good run from the AFL considering!

What I don't understand though is how, with all the adversity, they mange to be second on the ladder?? It's almost like none of this makes too much of a difference at all...

You mean the home games they ask for at the MCG and the greatest home ground advantage of all clubs.

[desertsaint]

10 home games at marvel - 5 against other melb teams.
I'll take the cats home ground advantage any time.

[CURLY]

Geelong win another game at GMHBA
Look a far better team down there.
Massive advantage not having to play Geelong at home

[shanegrambeau]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

What?

What are you talking about??

It is so obviously in both Geelong and Collingwood’s favour.

It’s not a zero game between Geelong and Collingwood!!

It’s a loss to chumps like us..

Geelong’s record is 87% down there in recent decades.

So Collingwood and Carlton just don’t go there!

Take a bow Mr Eddie McGuire.

[Sainter_Dad]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

What?

What are you talking about??

It is so obviously in both Geelong and Collingwood’s favour.

It’s not a zero game between Geelong and Collingwood!!

It’s a loss to chumps like us..

Geelong’s record is 87% down there in recent decades.

So Collingwood and Carlton just don’t go there!

Take a bow Mr Eddie McGuire.

Nothing to do with Eddie - Collingwood and Carlton have fans that actually go to games - Our fans - not so much [let alone Membership numbers]

Get a consistent 60,000 attendance at games - become relevant and a lot of 'dis-advantages' go away:
- No talk of Tassie
- No selling home games to make money
- More MCG games
- More favourable Fixturing
- More consideration given at MRO
- Less free kick differential

FFS - St KILDA - BECOME RELEVANT

100,000 West Coast
99,213 Richmond
86,641 Collingwood
84,769 Carlton
78,579 Essendon
70,007 Hawthorn
66,048 Geelong
62,813 Melbourne
59,146 Port Adelaide
57,930 St Kilda
53,549 Fremantle
51,642 Sydney
49,593 Western Bulldogs
48,639 North Melbourne
40,973 Brisbane
40,000 Adelaide
30,861 GWS
8,721 Gold Coast

58K is a record - and in those figures - I wonder how many are 4 game memberships 'given' away?

Look to the top of the table and you will see who is the AFL love children!

[Yorkeys]

What about luck of the coach, senior that is, head man.
On first glance of the current coaches I'd rate in order:
Scott
McCrea
Longmuir
Longmire
Beverage
Hardwick
Ratts
Hinckley
Others
So some clubs have got lucky, others not so much. Seems there is limited coaching talent to go round.
We were desperately unlucky with Lyon at the tail end, who knew he was over us, no chance to plan succession, unlucky Watters was available, then after that period of rubbish unlucky no one but Richo was available.
Lucked in with Ratts, but might not be first division prize luck.
Am also wondering if performance stats suggests coaches have a limited shelf life. Then again Longmuir, Scott and Bevo seem to keep reinventing themselves and Hinckley seems a fixture.
Wish we had picked up Ratts instead of Watters but luck had it he was coaching Carlton then, was sacked a season later I believe, for inconsistent performances (no inference to 2022 intended). But its comforting to know Carlton made their own bad luck with that decision.

[D.B.Cooper]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

What?

What are you talking about??

It is so obviously in both Geelong and Collingwood’s favour.

It’s not a zero game between Geelong and Collingwood!!

It’s a loss to chumps like us..

Geelong’s record is 87% down there in recent decades.

So Collingwood and Carlton just don’t go there!

Take a bow Mr Eddie McGuire.

Nothing to do with Eddie - Collingwood and Carlton have fans that actually go to games - Our fans - not so much [let alone Membership numbers]

Get a consistent 60,000 attendance at games - become relevant and a lot of 'dis-advantages' go away:
- No talk of Tassie
- No selling home games to make money
- More MCG games
- More favourable Fixturing
- More consideration given at MRO
- Less free kick differential

FFS - St KILDA - BECOME RELEVANT

100,000 West Coast
99,213 Richmond
86,641 Collingwood
84,769 Carlton
78,579 Essendon
70,007 Hawthorn
66,048 Geelong
62,813 Melbourne
59,146 Port Adelaide
57,930 St Kilda
53,549 Fremantle
51,642 Sydney
49,593 Western Bulldogs
48,639 North Melbourne
40,973 Brisbane
40,000 Adelaide
30,861 GWS
8,721 Gold Coast

58K is a record - and in those figures - I wonder how many are 4 game memberships 'given' away?

Look to the top of the table and you will see who is the AFL love children!

Brilliant post Sainter_Dad!

Don't bother bitching and moaning about the perceived injustices of the system.
Concentrate on what you can control and MAKE YOURSELF RELEVANT!

Beautifully articulated SD!

[Yorkeys]

Bulldogs have drawn Sydney in Sydney on an uncovered pitch on the 39th night of the 40 day 40 night flooding event. And play us next week. Unlucky. eh.

[CURLY]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

What?

What are you talking about??

It is so obviously in both Geelong and Collingwood’s favour.

It’s not a zero game between Geelong and Collingwood!!

It’s a loss to chumps like us..

Geelong’s record is 87% down there in recent decades.

So Collingwood and Carlton just don’t go there!

Take a bow Mr Eddie McGuire.

Nothing to do with Eddie - Collingwood and Carlton have fans that actually go to games - Our fans - not so much [let alone Membership numbers]

Get a consistent 60,000 attendance at games - become relevant and a lot of 'dis-advantages' go away:
- No talk of Tassie
- No selling home games to make money
- More MCG games
- More favourable Fixturing
- More consideration given at MRO
- Less free kick differential

FFS - St KILDA - BECOME RELEVANT

100,000 West Coast
99,213 Richmond
86,641 Collingwood
84,769 Carlton
78,579 Essendon
70,007 Hawthorn
66,048 Geelong
62,813 Melbourne
59,146 Port Adelaide
57,930 St Kilda
53,549 Fremantle
51,642 Sydney
49,593 Western Bulldogs
48,639 North Melbourne
40,973 Brisbane
40,000 Adelaide
30,861 GWS
8,721 Gold Coast

58K is a record - and in those figures - I wonder how many are 4 game memberships 'given' away?

Look to the top of the table and you will see who is the AFL love children!

Tell you what give us ANZAC Day every year at the G and 17 games in Melbourne each each in prime times for 30 years see how membership rises.

[shanegrambeau]

I agree with Sainter Dad about relevance.

Between 2007 - 2012 we didn't have to play there.

But!!
Carlton were pretty crap from 2000-2017, Collingwood had more success, but not brilliant.

The comp will always squeeze the Bulldogs, North, Melb and St Kilda.. (Melb are so rich they can resist)
The comp will always privilege Gold Coast, GWS.
The comp will always listen to Ess, Carl, Coll and Rich

Even Eddie is banging on about it last night..the same three clubs, need to go to Tassie..shocking, awful stuff.

[Sainter_Dad]

Tell you what give us ANZAC Day every year at the G and 17 games in Melbourne each each in prime times for 30 years see how membership rises.

Or - and here is a novel idea - people buy a Membership and actually turn up - and make people take notice of us

I am sick and tired of this club being the 'poor cousins' and begging for scraps from the AFL

[CURLY]

Tell you what give us ANZAC Day every year at the G and 17 games in Melbourne each each in prime times for 30 years see how membership rises.

Or - and here is a novel idea - people buy a Membership and actually turn up - and make people take notice of us

I am sick and tired of this club being the 'poor cousins' and begging for scraps from the AFL

Yep at 3.30 on a Sunday arvo.

[The_Dud]

What ever way we look at it…

What ever the agenda….

It is remarkable that. Oollingwood have not been to Kardinai Park this centrury.

And neither did Carlton, for twenty seasons straight….1998-2017.

So are Collingwood advantaged by not going to Geelong or are Geelong disadvantaged by not getting to play Collingwood at their home ground.

I’m getting confused at who the AFL is supporting and cheating against.

Obviously they are cheating against Geelong in favor of Collingwood, but then they favor Geelong to cheat against us.

Perhaps Curly can structure a cheating matrix.
Who gets priority favoritism.

ie. Collingwood over Geelong, but Geelong over Saints.
I think we need saintdad on this.

Obviously its an advantage for Collingwood as they don't have to go there. When finals positions come down to one game this is ridiculous that every year they never go to GMHBA

So the AFL cheats against Geelong when it comes to Collingwood.

Where does Geelong fit in the cheating for and against scale?

We are last, most cheated against.
Collingwood 1st?
Maybe you can rank the favoritism?

What?

What are you talking about??

It is so obviously in both Geelong and Collingwood’s favour.

It’s not a zero game between Geelong and Collingwood!!

It’s a loss to chumps like us..

Geelong’s record is 87% down there in recent decades.

So Collingwood and Carlton just don’t go there!

Take a bow Mr Eddie McGuire.

Nothing to do with Eddie - Collingwood and Carlton have fans that actually go to games - Our fans - not so much [let alone Membership numbers]

Get a consistent 60,000 attendance at games - become relevant and a lot of 'dis-advantages' go away:
- No talk of Tassie
- No selling home games to make money
- More MCG games
- More favourable Fixturing
- More consideration given at MRO
- Less free kick differential

FFS - St KILDA - BECOME RELEVANT

100,000 West Coast
99,213 Richmond
86,641 Collingwood
84,769 Carlton
78,579 Essendon
70,007 Hawthorn
66,048 Geelong
62,813 Melbourne
59,146 Port Adelaide
57,930 St Kilda
53,549 Fremantle
51,642 Sydney
49,593 Western Bulldogs
48,639 North Melbourne
40,973 Brisbane
40,000 Adelaide
30,861 GWS
8,721 Gold Coast

58K is a record - and in those figures - I wonder how many are 4 game memberships 'given' away?

Look to the top of the table and you will see who is the AFL love children!

Brilliant post Sainter_Dad!

Don't bother bitching and moaning about the perceived injustices of the system.
Concentrate on what you can control and MAKE YOURSELF RELEVANT!

Beautifully articulated SD!

No no no, better to constantly play the victim and look for excuses, that’s how you get 1 premiership in 100+ years!

It’s got the Cryin’ Curly stamp of approval!

[Sainter_Dad]

No no no, better to constantly play the victim and look for excuses, that’s how you get 1 premiership in 100+ years!

It’s got the Cryin’ Curly stamp of approval!

So again a discussion comes back to The_Dud v Curly

Just get over it and put each other on Foe

[CURLY]

No no no, better to constantly play the victim and look for excuses, that’s how you get 1 premiership in 100+ years!

It’s got the Cryin’ Curly stamp of approval!

So again a discussion comes back to The_Dud v Curly

Just get over it and put each other on Foe

Nah let the Old Buzzard go. Shows how senile he is that he thinks what I post on here somehow has effected StKldas premiership credential’s.

[asiu]

the doggies wont be in the eight

getting smashed by the swans
who are using 'our' chaos ball into the 50 approach