Saints v Bluescum Team Line Ups + Ins & Outs

[Teflon]

Once again we return to 2 permanent tall marking forward set up (doesn't include resting ruck) when every other side go with 3 ....and likely Membrey won't stay permanently forward ..... so down to 1 at times .... unless they are considering Wood permanent forward ...... but who the fk knows what they are thinking

And Butler stays in ..... seriously fk me dead

Out comes a backline stopper in Paton and replaced with ...... no like for like replacement

Not sure what drugs the selection committee are on but I want none of it

Great post
Does your head doesn’t it?
I mean it’s honestly not even about the wins for me anymore (I can see why Ratten needs it badly) cause this side is cooked
Anyone who thinks the hacks we are carrying in this side are gonna be there GF day are dreaming
Our forward structure with Butler etc as our “crumbers” doesn’t stand up when it matters
If you look at our wins we’ve often relied on King to kick more than usual or Higgins to get off the leash - that’s not going to work long term
You have to have more forward strings to your bow
Sharman is the future and is that lead up forward option we lack alongside King
We haven’t even given it a chance to work
It smacks of a desperate coaching group who know they’ve been found out reverting to their only 1 card trick
Let’s face it - even IF we magically beat Carlton
Is this plan taking us deep in September??????
We are in no man’s land
At least if Blues win we can stop pretending and maybe Sharman , Highmore “the future” can get a look in

[spert]

When we play well we have runners on the wing like DMac and Wood, we've been unable to move the ball quickly this past few weeks without them, whilst Wood didn't play well last week it makes sense to bring him back and see if he can return to that career best form he was in for fhe first 6 weeks when his improvement was up 55%. He was flying through that period so if he can reproduce thst then its a bonus.

Sharman was flying against the Swans but the selectors obviously thought he looked more like a kite than a footballer so he's dropped again.

Sandy has the bye this week so no match practice for the surplus.

I'm not sure Sharman is ready for AFL just yet, would have crucified him on a Friday night game and possibly destroyed his confidence.

As opposed to flying him to Sydney
Crucifying him on a Sat night where the coach said delivery to the forward line was so bad Lockett wouldn’t get a kick???
Dropping him next game ??
There’s that clear logic again……

Yep, this! Sharman to Sydney (as the 2nd ruck) against an established, well oiled defence plus two rucks who have some fair experience. Now Carlton, a makeshift defence and a patched up ruck division - dropped!

Yet Jones, King & Howard, all putting together a solid two weeks of rubbish are safe.

Seriously though, would you crucify the kid two weeks in a row. His confidence would take a hammering.

You’re right
Far better to crucify week on week off
Like a yo yo bring in him …whole team Shyte…drop him…replace with poor performers from VFL and a forward line set up that tried 2 weeks ago and failed…
Top selection theory that..

Yeah, not the best way to develop players- Sharman for example, natural forward, inexperienced, so play him out of position in the ruck, run him out off steam, put him back in the forward half, then drop him, out of a team with no leadership, then blame players upfield for Max not putting in.

[bangaulegend]

I don't get it & most supporters don't get it hopefully the selectors know something we don't

[skeptic]

Disappointed

[Teflon]

When we play well we have runners on the wing like DMac and Wood, we've been unable to move the ball quickly this past few weeks without them, whilst Wood didn't play well last week it makes sense to bring him back and see if he can return to that career best form he was in for fhe first 6 weeks when his improvement was up 55%. He was flying through that period so if he can reproduce thst then its a bonus.

Sharman was flying against the Swans but the selectors obviously thought he looked more like a kite than a footballer so he's dropped again.

Sandy has the bye this week so no match practice for the surplus.

I'm not sure Sharman is ready for AFL just yet, would have crucified him on a Friday night game and possibly destroyed his confidence.

As opposed to flying him to Sydney
Crucifying him on a Sat night where the coach said delivery to the forward line was so bad Lockett wouldn’t get a kick???
Dropping him next game ??
There’s that clear logic again……

Yep, this! Sharman to Sydney (as the 2nd ruck) against an established, well oiled defence plus two rucks who have some fair experience. Now Carlton, a makeshift defence and a patched up ruck division - dropped!

Yet Jones, King & Howard, all putting together a solid two weeks of rubbish are safe.

Seriously though, would you crucify the kid two weeks in a row. His confidence would take a hammering.

You’re right
Far better to crucify week on week off
Like a yo yo bring in him …whole team Shyte…drop him…replace with poor performers from VFL and a forward line set up that tried 2 weeks ago and failed…
Top selection theory that..

Yeah, not the best way to develop players- Sharman for example, natural forward, inexperienced, so play him out of position in the ruck, run him out off steam, put him back in the forward half, then drop him, out of a team with no leadership, then blame players upfield for Max not putting in.

Good clubs with good coaches don’t do this
It’s not fair on the kid
I thought he threw himself at it last week - more than King tbh
So we keep perennial under performer Dan B in the line up??
It makes little sense
Long offers better pressure than “arm flapping Dan”
Let’s be honest how many times this year has selections left people walking away shaking their heads??

[Jacks Back]

So Paton out, Long out (who started last week in defence - I think) and no backs comes in?? WTF!!! What does Highmore have to do?

It's good that the two youngest players are made the scape goats. Grow some balls Ratten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[saintbob]

Where’s Owens, is he still having issues after the concussion?

[Jacks Back]

Where’s Owens, is he still having issues after the concussion?

Yes

[Devilhead]

7.5 from 11 games from Butler this year as a small goal kicking forward...... but hey he has good pressure stats that's all that matters

[bigcarl]

What’s the story with McKenzie? He’s been a big loss

[Wayne42]

What’s the story with McKenzie? He’s been a big loss

From the AFL Injury list for each club...

McKenzie is set to miss another week after hurting his calf at training late last week ahead of his return game against Sydney.

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list

[bigcarl]

What’s the story with McKenzie? He’s been a big loss

From the AFL Injury list for each club...

McKenzie is set to miss another week after hurting his calf at training late last week ahead of his return game against Sydney.

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list

Thanks, he’d be a walk-up start if fit

[Vortex]

When we play well we have runners on the wing like DMac and Wood, we've been unable to move the ball quickly this past few weeks without them, whilst Wood didn't play well last week it makes sense to bring him back and see if he can return to that career best form he was in for fhe first 6 weeks when his improvement was up 55%. He was flying through that period so if he can reproduce thst then its a bonus.

Sharman was flying against the Swans but the selectors obviously thought he looked more like a kite than a footballer so he's dropped again.

Sandy has the bye this week so no match practice for the surplus.

I'm not sure Sharman is ready for AFL just yet, would have crucified him on a Friday night game and possibly destroyed his confidence.

As opposed to flying him to Sydney
Crucifying him on a Sat night where the coach said delivery to the forward line was so bad Lockett wouldn’t get a kick???
Dropping him next game ??
There’s that clear logic again……

Sharman is clearly not ready, nothing wrong with the club using the VFL to develop him.

Yes cause he was the only poor standout in our forward line last week….Butler and co on top of their game!
This must your “age policy” youngest forward out???can’t be any good after 1 game??

You are failing to acknowledge that sometimes it's not about judging a players ability and whether he should be put in a situation that he's not ready for based on any other player. I don't think anybody who understands footy even at the basic level is thinking Buttler is playing well. And then there is the limited options to select from at Sandy --- so there's that.

The kid is just not ready and to place a kid in a situation that sets him up to fail in front of a prime time TV slot can take a fair bit to come back from so why do it.

Maybe if the wheels fall off and the expectation around the club returns to zero later in the season like it was when he debuted last year and he spends a bit more time learning the craft at Sandy then maybe give him another crack then, but he clearly isn't ready yet.

[Beno88]

Jones being responsible for one of Cripps, Walsh or Kennedy, and Butler for Saad or Docherty scares me.

[Scollop]

You are failing to acknowledge that sometimes it's not about judging a players ability and whether he should be put in a situation that he's not ready for based on any other player. I don't think anybody who understands footy even at the basic level is thinking Buttler is playing well. And then there is the limited options to select from at Sandy --- so there's that.

The kid is just not ready and to place a kid in a situation that sets him up to fail in front of a prime time TV slot can take a fair bit to come back from so why do it.

Maybe if the wheels fall off and the expectation around the club returns to zero later in the season like it was when he debuted last year and he spends a bit more time learning the craft at Sandy then maybe give him another crack then, but he clearly isn't ready yet.

This is dangerous. Not because it is harmful to Sharman or Butler or any one individual, but I think it has the potential to significantly add to climate change and Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere

In other words…what a load of bullshi!tt

[Vortex]

You are failing to acknowledge that sometimes it's not about judging a players ability and whether he should be put in a situation that he's not ready for based on any other player. I don't think anybody who understands footy even at the basic level is thinking Buttler is playing well. And then there is the limited options to select from at Sandy --- so there's that.

The kid is just not ready and to place a kid in a situation that sets him up to fail in front of a prime time TV slot can take a fair bit to come back from so why do it.

Maybe if the wheels fall off and the expectation around the club returns to zero later in the season like it was when he debuted last year and he spends a bit more time learning the craft at Sandy then maybe give him another crack then, but he clearly isn't ready yet.

This is dangerous. Not because it is harmful to Sharman or Butler or any one individual, but I think it has the potential to significantly add to climate change and Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere

In other words…what a load of bullshi!tt

I'll refer you to my recent post re: infantile moronic hysterical outbursts. every now and then you make sense.

[Teflon]

When we play well we have runners on the wing like DMac and Wood, we've been unable to move the ball quickly this past few weeks without them, whilst Wood didn't play well last week it makes sense to bring him back and see if he can return to that career best form he was in for fhe first 6 weeks when his improvement was up 55%. He was flying through that period so if he can reproduce thst then its a bonus.

Sharman was flying against the Swans but the selectors obviously thought he looked more like a kite than a footballer so he's dropped again.

Sandy has the bye this week so no match practice for the surplus.

I'm not sure Sharman is ready for AFL just yet, would have crucified him on a Friday night game and possibly destroyed his confidence.

As opposed to flying him to Sydney
Crucifying him on a Sat night where the coach said delivery to the forward line was so bad Lockett wouldn’t get a kick???
Dropping him next game ??
There’s that clear logic again……

Sharman is clearly not ready, nothing wrong with the club using the VFL to develop him.

Yes cause he was the only poor standout in our forward line last week….Butler and co on top of their game!
This must your “age policy” youngest forward out???can’t be any good after 1 game??

You are failing to acknowledge that sometimes it's not about judging a players ability and whether he should be put in a situation that he's not ready for based on any other player. I don't think anybody who understands footy even at the basic level is thinking Buttler is playing well. And then there is the limited options to select from at Sandy --- so there's that.

The kid is just not ready and to place a kid in a situation that sets him up to fail in front of a prime time TV slot can take a fair bit to come back from so why do it.

Maybe if the wheels fall off and the expectation around the club returns to zero later in the season like it was when he debuted last year and he spends a bit more time learning the craft at Sandy then maybe give him another crack then, but he clearly isn't ready yet.

You fail to grasp the most basic concept - we did exactly that 1 week before ??
Then humiliated him further by scapegoating him by dropping him 1 week later..while continuing to reward mediocrity in Butler ..
Weren’t you banging on about needing to see a lift in VFL??
Wood, Higgins were deplorable in VFL outings..where’s the selection integrity???
I think your grasping and Scollop may have a point …there’s a fair amount of methane coming from your posts..

[SaintDippa]

Selection comments typically are only relevant after the game is over. If we win.... genius. If we lose... Sharman, Paton,Butler grrrrrr.
Ratts needs to win so looks like he's picking a side he can trust to play the same style as R3/4.
Another loss and the blowtorch (and grrrrrs) gets raised to 9.
Think we'll win. 30-40.

[Vortex]

When we play well we have runners on the wing like DMac and Wood, we've been unable to move the ball quickly this past few weeks without them, whilst Wood didn't play well last week it makes sense to bring him back and see if he can return to that career best form he was in for fhe first 6 weeks when his improvement was up 55%. He was flying through that period so if he can reproduce thst then its a bonus.

Sharman was flying against the Swans but the selectors obviously thought he looked more like a kite than a footballer so he's dropped again.

Sandy has the bye this week so no match practice for the surplus.

I'm not sure Sharman is ready for AFL just yet, would have crucified him on a Friday night game and possibly destroyed his confidence.

As opposed to flying him to Sydney
Crucifying him on a Sat night where the coach said delivery to the forward line was so bad Lockett wouldn’t get a kick???
Dropping him next game ??
There’s that clear logic again……

Sharman is clearly not ready, nothing wrong with the club using the VFL to develop him.

Yes cause he was the only poor standout in our forward line last week….Butler and co on top of their game!
This must your “age policy” youngest forward out???can’t be any good after 1 game??

You are failing to acknowledge that sometimes it's not about judging a players ability and whether he should be put in a situation that he's not ready for based on any other player. I don't think anybody who understands footy even at the basic level is thinking Buttler is playing well. And then there is the limited options to select from at Sandy --- so there's that.

The kid is just not ready and to place a kid in a situation that sets him up to fail in front of a prime time TV slot can take a fair bit to come back from so why do it.

Maybe if the wheels fall off and the expectation around the club returns to zero later in the season like it was when he debuted last year and he spends a bit more time learning the craft at Sandy then maybe give him another crack then, but he clearly isn't ready yet.

You fail to grasp the most basic concept - we did exactly that 1 week before ??
Then humiliated him further by scapegoating him by dropping him 1 week later..while continuing to reward mediocrity in Butler ..
Weren’t you banging on about needing to see a lift in VFL??
Wood, Higgins were deplorable in VFL outings..where’s the selection integrity???
I think your grasping and Scollop may have a point …there’s a fair amount of methane coming from your posts..

A couple of things from my stance point, I didn't think he should have been selected to play the Swans -- so what would be the argument to hang the kid out to dry 2 weeks in a row in front of a prime time TV audience when in all the games he's played in 2022 it's been evident he's not up to it. And this is against the backdrop of us desperately needing a 2nd marking tall forward, and so on this point I'd say the club are putting his longer term development ahead of our immediate structural needs so as not to turn the kid away from the game all together.

Agree Wood and Higgins didn't play well at Sandy but the advantage they have over a kid with 7 games is they aren't totally out of their depth at AFL level and probably have more chance of firing. And then there is the fact that the Sandy side is bereft of many viable options.

[Scollop]

Sharman should have played in the Brisbane game and then perhaps we could judge him a little better than just claiming he failed against Sydney. The whole team failed against Sydney

In rounds 7 and 8 earlier this year, both Higgins and Butler were struggling. These two games were the losses against Port Adelaide and Melbourne.

Sharman did not play in Round 7 or Round 8.

Jack Higgins played for a quarter and a half in the Geelong game in Round 9 and he was subbed out just before half time. Before that he had 2 possessions, no goals and zero tackles. Higgins was in a bit of a form slump before he missed due to injury and then he also missed Round 11 due to Covid (which was against North just before the bye)

Sharman came in for Round 9 and Round 10 and we had good wins against Geelong and Adelaide. Remember this is a win against a top 4 team and Higgins was not a contributor. Sharman was. He wasn’t a world beater, but he contributed with goals and he played his role in many peoples opinion.

Sharman also played in the Round 11 game against North and although his output was not strong, we still had a win and we had a really good spread of goal kickers in that game. He’s more of a team player imo. He also adds to the team by being that permanent 3rd tall and straightening us up.

Sharman, like most other players just requires continuity. How will our mids get used to kicking it to Coop if he’s in and out of the side? How will Coop gain confidence if his coach and the selectors don’t trust in him after he’s kicked multiple goals in the VFL? Higgins should not have come straight back into the line up against Brisbane. It was wrong on many fronts but mainly because Higgins was out of form prior to his injuries.

[Vortex]

Sharman should have played in the Brisbane game and then perhaps we could judge him a little better than just claiming he failed against Sydney. The whole team failed against Sydney

In rounds 7 and 8 earlier this year, both Higgins and Butler were struggling. These two games were the losses against Port Adelaide and Melbourne.

Sharman did not play in Round 7 or Round 8.

Jack Higgins played for a quarter and a half in the Geelong game in Round 9 and he was subbed out just before half time. Before that he had 2 possessions, no goals and zero tackles. Higgins was in a bit of a form slump before he missed due to injury and then he also missed Round 11 due to Covid (which was against North just before the bye)

Sharman came in for Round 9 and Round 10 and we had good wins against Geelong and Adelaide. Remember this is a win against a top 4 team and Higgins was not a contributor. Sharman was. He wasn’t a world beater, but he contributed with goals and he played his role in many peoples opinion.

Sharman also played in the Round 11 game against North and although his output was not strong, we still had a win and we had a really good spread of goal kickers in that game. He’s more of a team player imo. He also adds to the team by being that permanent 3rd tall and straightening us up.

Sharman, like most other players just requires continuity. How will our mids get used to kicking it to Coop if he’s in and out of the side? How will Coop gain confidence if his coach and the selectors don’t trust in him after he’s kicked multiple goals in the VFL? Higgins should not have come straight back into the line up against Brisbane. It was wrong on many fronts but mainly because Higgins was out of form prior to his injuries.

I don't think it works like that when you are well off the pace and only 8 games into your career, I think they call them credits. Continuity is great if you aren't in fear of of losing complete confidence by being fed to the sharks.

[Scollop]

What was the justification for NOT playing him against Essendon if you want to increase his confidence? Don’t you normally play some of the young fellas against the lower teams?

How does it work? In one week then one week out?

We had the bye and Coop (as a young player would have enjoyed the rest) so should have been picked after the bye against Brisbane or Essendon

We agree to disagree

[Ghost Like]

Sometimes structure is more important than form. This is one of those times. Last week the structure was still wrong as they decided to rest Ryder. Ryder is back now and the structure is still wrong because they have chosen to scapegoat a 7 gamer, who quite rightly should be up against Carlton's 4th defender or tallest running back.

If Hayes was available I have no doubt he would have been selected, that's because of structure. Sharman should be selected in his place. He will be a quite good forward with exposure and continuity.

People moan that other forwards bring their defenders to King. I had an excellent view last week of King bringing his two defenders on top of Sharman. All that happens because of their lack of experience working together, understanding and trusting each other. Smacks of desperation, selfishness and a lack of confidence collectively as a forward unit and individually.

[Impatient Sainter]

Sometimes structure is more important than form. This is one of those times. Last week the structure was still wrong as they decided to rest Ryder. Ryder is back now and the structure is still wrong because they have chosen to scapegoat a 7 gamer, who quite rightly should be up against Carlton's 4th defender or tallest running back.

If Hayes was available I have no doubt he would have been selected, that's because of structure. Sharman should be selected in his place. He will be a quite good forward with exposure and continuity.

People moan that other forwards bring their defenders to King. I had an excellent view last week of King bringing his two defenders on top of Sharman. All that happens because of their lack of experience working together, understanding and trusting each other. Smacks of desperation, selfishness and a lack of confidence collectively as a forward unit and individually.

Thats an astute view GL.

King & perhaps Ratten think he has to be the target of every F50 entry, he does the same with Membrey & Marshall and previously Hayes. You would think Roughead would have him playing with a lot more awareness. I cant see it changing until all our talls start leading up at the ball again - which would cause natural separation. Hopefully we see some change tonight??

[meher baba]

Sigh. The obsession with Sharman continues.

It’s a big game tonight. We need hard heads and hard bodies like Ryder, Wood and, dare I say it,Butler. Sharman, who is very slight, and who did little last week, is an obvious out.

As is Byrnes, who seems to me to be a player of very average ability.

I was sorry to see Paton miss. Long has been on the brink for a while.

The club shows it has faith in some younger players by selecting NWM and Windhager.