Training today 5/5/22
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1860
- Joined: Thu 01 May 2008 6:30pm
- Location: Mentone
- Has thanked: 17 times
- Been thanked: 263 times
Training today 5/5/22
At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
One year will be our year
- Junction Oval
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2867
- Joined: Tue 30 Nov 2010 11:16am
- Been thanked: 19 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Thanks for posting. Good report. Very few of us attend training, so it's good to hear what has occurred.
I can't understand why King & Higgins are going backwards with their goal kicking, which should be a set routine - getting to be a real team concern now.
I can't understand why King & Higgins are going backwards with their goal kicking, which should be a set routine - getting to be a real team concern now.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9069
- Joined: Wed 29 Jun 2005 10:39pm
- Location: A distant beach
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 426 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
That's why we have coachesJunction Oval wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 1:02pm Thanks for posting. Good report. Very few of us attend training, so it's good to hear what has occurred.
I can't understand why King & Higgins are going backwards with their goal kicking, which should be a set routine - getting to be a real team concern now.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 1998
- Joined: Thu 23 Sep 2010 11:35am
- Been thanked: 1198 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Slightly disagree here. Max spent a lot of time goal kicking. Still there well after the players left. Worked on kicking 50m every time- even from the goal square
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18580
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1905 times
- Been thanked: 843 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
That ought to make sure he kicks through every ball. Very good training drill imo. Now for the hard part. Transferring that to a match situation.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23208
- Joined: Sat 13 Mar 2004 11:44pm
- Has thanked: 735 times
- Been thanked: 1776 times
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2732
- Joined: Sun 25 Apr 2021 9:43pm
- Has thanked: 692 times
- Been thanked: 775 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Tony can you shed light on Cooper Sharman's year so far
Did he not have a very good preseason, has he been carrying an injury?
He doesn't seem to be anywhere near selection.
The Artist formerly known as Fugazi
- D.B.Cooper
- Club Player
- Posts: 1932
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 728 times
- Been thanked: 674 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
As an armchair expert with no elite football experience this seems exactly what he needs.
He looks great 40-50 out as he kicks through it then stabs and pokes at it 20mt out.
He's such a nice field kick other than mental and tensing up there doesn't seem to be a rational explanation for why he misses easy shots for a player of his ability.
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
- WellardSaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8257
- Joined: Sat 26 May 2012 11:25am
- Location: Perth- the best weather in Oz, but the worst rednecks.
- Has thanked: 1853 times
- Been thanked: 869 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Was wood wearing a white top or black?
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤![🤍](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f90d.svg)
and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 921
- Joined: Sat 24 Oct 2020 10:22am
- Has thanked: 217 times
- Been thanked: 906 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Wood wore a white jumper but that’s normal, as this has been the case pretty much all season so far.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6418
- Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
- Has thanked: 855 times
- Been thanked: 1013 times
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2173
- Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2015 7:09pm
- Has thanked: 7 times
- Been thanked: 201 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Question to the AFL how are we supposed to recover from losing 3 kilos in a game in a week.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
We are seriously handicapped this week.
Think of me long enough to make a memory.
- The Recruit
- Club Player
- Posts: 912
- Joined: Tue 12 May 2015 12:50am
- Has thanked: 16 times
- Been thanked: 118 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Drink water would be a startBruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 9:29pmQuestion to the AFL how are we supposed to recover from losing 3 kilos in a game in a week.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
We are seriously handicapped this week.
- D.B.Cooper
- Club Player
- Posts: 1932
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 728 times
- Been thanked: 674 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
The 3kg loss is interesting, and seems very broad.Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 9:29pmQuestion to the AFL how are we supposed to recover from losing 3 kilos in a game in a week.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
We are seriously handicapped this week.
What is the normal weight loss for a mid running 14-16 klm a match?
What does this look like against the 3kg?
Did they lose an extra 1kg in Cairns or more?
Is that a good or bad thing from conditioning perspective?
A high carb & protein diet and appropriate supplements (not Essendon style) would arrest this very quickly.
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
- perfectionist
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9024
- Joined: Mon 30 Jul 2007 3:06pm
- Has thanked: 60 times
- Been thanked: 347 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
If only the AFL had a waxing rule.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm...
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease ...
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2173
- Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2015 7:09pm
- Has thanked: 7 times
- Been thanked: 201 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Losing 3 kilos is equivalent to what a marathon runner loses in a race and you don't see them backing up a week later to run another one.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 8:45amThe 3kg loss is interesting, and seems very broad.Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 9:29pmQuestion to the AFL how are we supposed to recover from losing 3 kilos in a game in a week.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
We are seriously handicapped this week.
What is the normal weight loss for a mid running 14-16 klm a match?
What does this look like against the 3kg?
Did they lose an extra 1kg in Cairns or more?
Is that a good or bad thing from conditioning perspective?
A high carb & protein diet and appropriate supplements (not Essendon style) would arrest this very quickly.
If Port perform badly tonight, I would be very worried and both clubs should blast the AFL for scheduling the Cairns match without a bye the following week.
Think of me long enough to make a memory.
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13782
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1313 times
- Been thanked: 2052 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
It's just water-weight, they're young elite athletes, they'll be fine.
Combat athletes can cut 15% of their bodyweight before a fight then rehydrate overnight and perform at extremely high levels.
We need to stop being so precious and going into this game with a victim mentality and a ready-made excuse.
Combat athletes can cut 15% of their bodyweight before a fight then rehydrate overnight and perform at extremely high levels.
We need to stop being so precious and going into this game with a victim mentality and a ready-made excuse.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
- D.B.Cooper
- Club Player
- Posts: 1932
- Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
- Has thanked: 728 times
- Been thanked: 674 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Marathon runners tend to lose about 5% body weight.Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 9:21amLosing 3 kilos is equivalent to what a marathon runner loses in a race and you don't see them backing up a week later to run another one.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 8:45amThe 3kg loss is interesting, and seems very broad.Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 9:29pmQuestion to the AFL how are we supposed to recover from losing 3 kilos in a game in a week.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm At training today and a pretty good session with nearly everyone there.
The following reports
Roma was moving well and looks certain to play
Bytel had knee strapped but still joined in full training.
Gresh apparently has a sore hip and was largely running laps and having a very light session.Spoke to one of the trainers and they expect him to be ok by Sunday.
King and Higgins still had the yips at goal kicking. Incidentally Sharman was dobbing goals with ease
Jones and Billings in full training and looking good.
Only players missing were the long term injuries in Coffield, Hannebery and Hayes.
The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
We are seriously handicapped this week.
What is the normal weight loss for a mid running 14-16 klm a match?
What does this look like against the 3kg?
Did they lose an extra 1kg in Cairns or more?
Is that a good or bad thing from conditioning perspective?
A high carb & protein diet and appropriate supplements (not Essendon style) would arrest this very quickly.
If Port perform badly tonight, I would be very worried and both clubs should blast the AFL for scheduling the Cairns match without a bye the following week.
Also professional marathon runners are among the leanest professional athletes weighing on average in the low 70kg range.
AFL mids like Ross, Steel, Crouch would be on average 85-88kg?
The equivalent loss to a marathon runner would be 4-5kg.
The critical number is not the weight loss but the difference between normal weight loss and the Cairns effect.
Given 8 days to recover I doubt it will be overly significant.
Port are playing tonight, while we have a two day break on them.
Imagine the outcry on here around the AFL conspiracy and mistreatment if we were playing tonight like PA?
There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
- WellardSaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8257
- Joined: Sat 26 May 2012 11:25am
- Location: Perth- the best weather in Oz, but the worst rednecks.
- Has thanked: 1853 times
- Been thanked: 869 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
I've lost 3kg a few times after doing strenous work in hot conditions. It's all fluid.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 9:40am It's just water-weight, they're young elite athletes, they'll be fine.
Combat athletes can cut 15% of their bodyweight before a fight then rehydrate overnight and perform at extremely high levels.
We need to stop being so precious and going into this game with a victim mentality and a ready-made excuse.
Human body is 60-70% water.
You get it back quickly.
Our strength n conditioning staff have done a great job on our fitness.
Remember pre-season is done in the heat of summer...
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤![🤍](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f90d.svg)
and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
- meher baba
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7196
- Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
- Location: Tasmania
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 503 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
The top soccer players have long had to deal with this problem at World Cup finals which, ridiculously, tend to be played at the hottest time of the year to avoid clashes with club competitions. (Except, of course, in the case of the corruptly-awarded finals this year in Qatar, which were based on the ludicrous proposition that the grounds could be sufficiently air-conditioned to enable the games to proceed in 50 degree heat and, when that house of cards inevitably collapsed, were moved to what passes for winter in the Gulf region.)D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 10:10am
Marathon runners tend to lose about 5% body weight.
Also professional marathon runners are among the leanest professional athletes weighing on average in the low 70kg range.
AFL mids like Ross, Steel, Crouch would be on average 85-88kg?
The equivalent loss to a marathon runner would be 4-5kg.
The critical number is not the weight loss but the difference between normal weight loss and the Cairns effect.
Given 8 days to recover I doubt it will be overly significant.
Port are playing tonight, while we have a two day break on them.
Imagine the outcry on here around the AFL conspiracy and mistreatment if we were playing tonight like PA?
The conditioning staff used by top level soccer teams - who are pretty much the world's best - have developed techniques for dealing with backing up after playing intensely in hot and humid conditions. I'm sure our club has a good understanding of what works and what doesn't.
At least our players don't have to back up in the heat: Sunday's forecast is for a maximum of 16 degrees! And, unlike a trip to Perth, there is no change of time zone to deal with: which, ridiculous as it seems, demonstrably has some sort of an effect on performance.
We'll see how Port go tonight against a Bulldogs team missing its V8 engine in the Bont. I don't like making too many predictions, but I reckon they'll go ok. Both Port and St Kilda will need to focus on defending well in the first quarter while they struggle to shake off the effects of Cairns, and then try to pile on a lead in the second and third quarters before they inevitably run out of puff during the fourth. This can work, although I'd far rather we were playing the Dogs without the Bont and Port were taking on the Dees!
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
- Jonathan Swift
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 945
- Joined: Fri 16 Sep 2011 10:39am
- Has thanked: 54 times
- Been thanked: 113 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
The problem with the tournament comparison is that after a team plays a game in heat they recover and have to back up to a game against another team that had to play in the same conditions.
It is a whole different situation when only one side has had the difficult preparation.
A night game in Cairns is a completely different proposition to a game at the MCG.
Any thought that this doesn't disadvantage us is simply wrong, it doesn't however mean we will inevitably lose as there are many other factors involved.
It is a whole different situation when only one side has had the difficult preparation.
A night game in Cairns is a completely different proposition to a game at the MCG.
Any thought that this doesn't disadvantage us is simply wrong, it doesn't however mean we will inevitably lose as there are many other factors involved.
- meher baba
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7196
- Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
- Location: Tasmania
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 503 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
But soccer tournaments played at the height of summer feature a mixture of day and night fixtures, which also creates an imbalance. i think our team will overcome this obstacle and give an excellent account of themselves on Sunday.SinCitySainter wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 1:57pm The problem with the tournament comparison is that after a team plays a game in heat they recover and have to back up to a game against another team that had to play in the same conditions.
It is a whole different situation when only one side has had the difficult preparation.
A night game in Cairns is a completely different proposition to a game at the MCG.
Any thought that this doesn't disadvantage us is simply wrong, it doesn't however mean we will inevitably lose as there are many other factors involved.
However, i think a loss is all but inevitable. The current Melbourne lineup has an ability to shift gears which will almost certainly allow them to pull away from us at some point.
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
- Jonathan Swift
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1423
- Joined: Thu 22 Apr 2004 5:35am
- Location: Done with MN. Happily retired in Vic.
- Has thanked: 1310 times
- Been thanked: 239 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Thanks LoveYouLongTime. We love these training reports. Keep em coming.longtimesaint wrote: ↑Thu 05 May 2022 12:53pm The guy I talked to went up to Cairns and said the state of the ground was terrible, especially after heavy rain a few days earlier and then they played a curtain raiser!
He also said the humidity was really high and the running players lost about 3 kilos weight during the match.
I am absolutely incensed that we lost to a team that did not have to play in the same conditions.
An AFL conspiracy.
Nothing better than a good Dad Joke.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2173
- Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2015 7:09pm
- Has thanked: 7 times
- Been thanked: 201 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Again, I will be watching tonight's game with interest to see how Port has pulled up.
If Port look flat and run out of legs early it doesn't bode well for us.
If Port look flat and run out of legs early it doesn't bode well for us.
Think of me long enough to make a memory.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6582
- Joined: Sat 11 Jun 2011 4:52pm
- Location: Here
- Has thanked: 1276 times
- Been thanked: 464 times
Re: Training today 5/5/22
Port seem to have done okay going by the scores.Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Fri 06 May 2022 6:08pm Again, I will be watching tonight's game with interest to see how Port has pulled up.
If Port look flat and run out of legs early it doesn't bode well for us.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!