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He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
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So you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
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No I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
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So what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
The thread was about the media highlighting rule changes and creating more drama than is necessary. There’ll always be an overcorrection when a rule is being changed and the umpires have to be strict at first on dissent to try and change player behaviour. Yes it’s going to take some time. Things will settle just like all the other rule changes.
I have never seen an umpire change their mind because a player argues or appeals a decision or flaps their arms out.
Players have been getting away with arguing decisions for far too long. There have been only 1 or 2 occasions in the last five years where I have seen an umpire has changed their mind and that has ONLY occurred because the umpire realises he made an error, and NOT because players are appealing or disputing the call.
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What I was saying was that other factors influence umpires other than outright cheating,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:32pmSo what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
There are examples of certain players getting favourable treatment whilst other couldn't get a kick in a bar room brawl.
Sneides in the 2009 grannie is a good example. The non paying of a certain freekick could have changed the course of the game.
Baker is another who couldn't get a free.
Umpire are human and they certainly aren't angels. Curly is right to a certain extent.
I used to chair an AFL affiliated Disputes tribunal. Got to see them up close.
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Every football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
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The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
Don't make up bulls***. I have never abused an umpire at a game in my life. Calling them maggots on a fan forum is not something the AFL is trying to stamp out. This is not Putrid Putin's Russia FFS.
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I agree that they’re human so if you want to take that one step further, then Adam Schnieder is a perfect example of someone being treated the way he treated others. What did he expect with his clapping and smartarse behaviour in every game. That’s why you just have to cop each and every decision without arguing about it and get on with the game.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:41pmWhat I was saying was that other factors influence umpires other than outright cheating,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:32pmSo what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
There are examples of certain players getting favourable treatment whilst other couldn't get a kick in a bar room brawl.
Sneides in the 2009 grannie is a good example. The non paying of a certain freekick could have changed the course of the game.
Baker is another who couldn't get a free.
Umpire are human and they certainly aren't angels. Curly is right to a certain extent.
I used to chair an AFL affiliated Disputes tribunal. Got to see them up close.
What do you think the AFL is trying to do with these rule changes? It’s all about respecting the umpires and sending a message to all players that they need to be role models. They are the front line for how all levels of junior and suburban footy need to operate.
There is a process to go through if your club has a beef. There is a forum for discussing umpire bias or incorrect umpiring decisions. The clubs who coach their players to respect the umpires have been the ones that get looked after the best.
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In different parts of the world police are hated and can only socialise and talk to other police.
People will avoid them and only deal with them when they legally have to.
It is sad existence.
They brought this on themselves by their authoritarian behaviour.
But I remember the days of the London bobbies.
People would talk to them, ask them for directions and they knew the public respected them.
The thing was they were NOT authoritarian.
Sadly in trying to protect umpires I fear the AFL will cast them out of society because the players will cease communicating with them.
Umpires need to be able to say "This is what I saw and that is my ruling".
A player should be able to say "Hawkins is a dirty cheating turd" to the umpire.
Then having seen it on the big screen the umpire could say "I see your point but I have awarded the free kick get on and play.
All that is needed is for the players then to respect the umpire and say O.K.
Once it becomes a them and us, the AFL has failed and they will never be able attract enough kids into umpiring.
People will avoid them and only deal with them when they legally have to.
It is sad existence.
They brought this on themselves by their authoritarian behaviour.
But I remember the days of the London bobbies.
People would talk to them, ask them for directions and they knew the public respected them.
The thing was they were NOT authoritarian.
Sadly in trying to protect umpires I fear the AFL will cast them out of society because the players will cease communicating with them.
Umpires need to be able to say "This is what I saw and that is my ruling".
A player should be able to say "Hawkins is a dirty cheating turd" to the umpire.
Then having seen it on the big screen the umpire could say "I see your point but I have awarded the free kick get on and play.
All that is needed is for the players then to respect the umpire and say O.K.
Once it becomes a them and us, the AFL has failed and they will never be able attract enough kids into umpiring.
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You also said you weren’t Stinger… so let’s just say I don’t believe you.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:54pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
Don't make up bulls***. I have never abused an umpire at a game in my life. Calling them maggots on a fan forum is not something the AFL is trying to stamp out. This is not Putrid Putin's Russia FFS.![]()
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Online abuse is abuse. Cyber bullying is a huge problem. The AFL is 100% trying to stamp it out. Those who freely abuse umpires online are more likely to carry on doing that in other places.
Also, you carry on when people you like are criticised on here, even saying they should sue posters for defamation...
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I have never posted that I weren't stinger as claimed by you and St Bryon.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 7:14pmYou also said you weren’t Stinger… so let’s just say I don’t believe you.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:54pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
Don't make up bulls***. I have never abused an umpire at a game in my life. Calling them maggots on a fan forum is not something the AFL is trying to stamp out. This is not Putrid Putin's Russia FFS.![]()
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Online abuse is abuse. Cyber bullying is a huge problem. The AFL is 100% trying to stamp it out. Those who freely abuse umpires online are more likely to carry on doing that in other places.
Also, you carry on when people you like are criticised on here, even saying they should sue posters for defamation...![]()
All I ever said was that I was on this forum long before stinger which is the absolute truth.
But the truth be known, I don't give a rats what you think, although I am not a liar.
And yes, if people are defamed they should sue unless the person making the statement is an out and out loser. That's why I am not threatening to sue you for calling me a liar.
I regard some of your comments as abusive and i regard you as a wanna be cyber bully.
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Sorry saynta but you put the challenge out there!saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 8:43pmI have never posted that I weren't stinger as claimed by you and St Bryon.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 7:14pmYou also said you weren’t Stinger… so let’s just say I don’t believe you.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:54pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
Don't make up bulls***. I have never abused an umpire at a game in my life. Calling them maggots on a fan forum is not something the AFL is trying to stamp out. This is not Putrid Putin's Russia FFS.![]()
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Online abuse is abuse. Cyber bullying is a huge problem. The AFL is 100% trying to stamp it out. Those who freely abuse umpires online are more likely to carry on doing that in other places.
Also, you carry on when people you like are criticised on here, even saying they should sue posters for defamation...![]()
All I ever said was that I was on this forum long before stinger which is the absolute truth.
But the truth be known, I don't give a rats what you think, although I am not a liar.
And yes, if people are defamed they should sue unless the person making the statement is an out and out loser. That's why I am not threatening to sue you for calling me a liar.
I regard some of your comments as abusive and i regard you as a wanna be cyber bully.
Would the legal definition of below have you denying being stinger?
saynta wrote: ↑Thu 23 Jul 2015 5:09pmKleenex are famous for being large and thick. It says so on the side of the box.plugger66 wrote:saynta wrote:
Check your facts kleenex.
Kleenex? Can you explain? I like it though Stings.
Suits you to a tee.
And for the last time, I'm saynta. not stinger. You are like a broken record or a dog with a bone.
You think you are being smart but you are just making a bigger fool of yourself.
Next you will be calling me roger fox or harrym.
For the record, i am not and never were either of them, but I worked out who they really were though.
Anyway, at least I give you the courtesy of a reply, something I don't recall seeing stinger ever doing.
Anyway, I can spell and write proper english, also something I don't recall ever seeing that other poster do.
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That statement is correct. I am saynta and was posting under that name for years. I know Harrym, who is a fine saints supporter and definitly not me.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 9:04pmSorry saynta but you put the challenge out there!saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 8:43pmI have never posted that I weren't stinger as claimed by you and St Bryon.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 7:14pmYou also said you weren’t Stinger… so let’s just say I don’t believe you.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:54pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
Don't make up bulls***. I have never abused an umpire at a game in my life. Calling them maggots on a fan forum is not something the AFL is trying to stamp out. This is not Putrid Putin's Russia FFS.![]()
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Online abuse is abuse. Cyber bullying is a huge problem. The AFL is 100% trying to stamp it out. Those who freely abuse umpires online are more likely to carry on doing that in other places.
Also, you carry on when people you like are criticised on here, even saying they should sue posters for defamation...![]()
All I ever said was that I was on this forum long before stinger which is the absolute truth.
But the truth be known, I don't give a rats what you think, although I am not a liar.
And yes, if people are defamed they should sue unless the person making the statement is an out and out loser. That's why I am not threatening to sue you for calling me a liar.
I regard some of your comments as abusive and i regard you as a wanna be cyber bully.
Would the legal definition of below have you denying being stinger?
saynta wrote: ↑Thu 23 Jul 2015 5:09pmKleenex are famous for being large and thick. It says so on the side of the box.plugger66 wrote:saynta wrote:
Check your facts kleenex.
Kleenex? Can you explain? I like it though Stings.
Suits you to a tee.
And for the last time, I'm saynta. not stinger. You are like a broken record or a dog with a bone.
You think you are being smart but you are just making a bigger fool of yourself.
Next you will be calling me roger fox or harrym.
For the record, i am not and never were either of them, but I worked out who they really were though.
Anyway, at least I give you the courtesy of a reply, something I don't recall seeing stinger ever doing.
Anyway, I can spell and write proper english, also something I don't recall ever seeing that other poster do.
Don't know who roger fox is/was and care even less.
Kleenex was an appropriate name for plugger don't you think. He certainly was thick.
Stinger posts never contained capitals hence the comment.
No lies there.
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At any rate, we can all hope that he/she is gone for good as they were like the 10 most hated ppl here. The hate in that person’s heart still blows my mind.
Not that I really care but as we seem to be relying on exact wording... there do seem to be some inconsistencies and peculiarities
At any rate, we can all hope that he/she is gone for good as they were like the 10 most hated ppl here. The hate in that person’s heart still blows my mind.
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The hardest part of lying is keeping track of all of your lies.
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I never abuse umpires I have actually attended numerous umpire meetings. Been involved in tribunals in numerous roles. Some umpires take it as a win when they get one up on some players even clubs.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
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Good on them. I think you’re probably talking about suburban footy or country leagues but even if it’s VFL or AFL. It starts at the top and club administrators and officials (especially ALL coaches) need to adhere to a policy of zero dissent and they need to be a role model for their players and ….for the bloody ferals in the crowd
All footy clubs should have a zero tolerance policy to abuse of umpires (and No Dissent). Don’t carry on from the coaches bench area, don’t shout at the umpires or dispute their decisions and don’t create an atmosphere where you are promoting umpire abuse.
Clubs have to have rules in place if their supporters and members are repeat offenders they should be banned from games. The clubs who make efforts to provide marshals and the clubs who educate their supporters have no reason to be disliked
We’ve all seen how toxic some crowds can be in the lower leagues. If I was an umpire and there were repeated calls from over the fence from countless numbers and the people who are supposed to marshal (and officials who are supposed to look out for bad behaviour) don’t do their job, then obviously the consequences of having morons running your club is that the umpires will not ‘like’ your club
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So your supporting cheating then.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:56pmI agree that they’re human so if you want to take that one step further, then Adam Schnieder is a perfect example of someone being treated the way he treated others. What did he expect with his clapping and smartarse behaviour in every game. That’s why you just have to cop each and every decision without arguing about it and get on with the game.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:41pmWhat I was saying was that other factors influence umpires other than outright cheating,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:32pmSo what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
There are examples of certain players getting favourable treatment whilst other couldn't get a kick in a bar room brawl.
Sneides in the 2009 grannie is a good example. The non paying of a certain freekick could have changed the course of the game.
Baker is another who couldn't get a free.
Umpire are human and they certainly aren't angels. Curly is right to a certain extent.
I used to chair an AFL affiliated Disputes tribunal. Got to see them up close.
What do you think the AFL is trying to do with these rule changes? It’s all about respecting the umpires and sending a message to all players that they need to be role models. They are the front line for how all levels of junior and suburban footy need to operate.
There is a process to go through if your club has a beef. There is a forum for discussing umpire bias or incorrect umpiring decisions. The clubs who coach their players to respect the umpires have been the ones that get looked after the best.
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Umpire abuse: i.e. arm waving, approaching the ump after a decision and distracting, couple or more players involved is calculated time wasting and a tactic, not innocent, reflex surprise "what me sir?" what was that for? (are you deaf, I just called the reason!). Can also distract player awarded free.
Some players in one on one contests are simply playing to their own team and coaches sending the message, not my error. Which is a bit indulgent.
A secondary reason is to give the ump negative feedback awarding frees against in the hope one or two will be let slide later for a quieter life on field.
The rule's objective is great - stop second guessing the refereeing, abuse and pausing play by theatrical bitching; implementation not so much. Hope they find the right tone soon.
Separately some players obviously have special treatment from umps. A few in Geelong come to mind, one in Richmond, but there have been a few over time. Not sure why, do we have a behavioural expert on the forum.
Some crowds are really good at affirmation. We are not, we yell "Ball" a lot which becomes boringly desensitising for umps and we seem to grumble at every free against even the obvious. Our strength is celebrating goals, wins and great play. We also seem to get negative too early in games (where's the faith!), but yes being two goals down in the first minutes of games is a bit of a downer.
Geelong and West Coast crowds are much more persuasive.
Collingwood crowds are awful and I think the stuff they go on with is counter productive umpiring wise. And of course they will not change.
Some players in one on one contests are simply playing to their own team and coaches sending the message, not my error. Which is a bit indulgent.
A secondary reason is to give the ump negative feedback awarding frees against in the hope one or two will be let slide later for a quieter life on field.
The rule's objective is great - stop second guessing the refereeing, abuse and pausing play by theatrical bitching; implementation not so much. Hope they find the right tone soon.
Separately some players obviously have special treatment from umps. A few in Geelong come to mind, one in Richmond, but there have been a few over time. Not sure why, do we have a behavioural expert on the forum.
Some crowds are really good at affirmation. We are not, we yell "Ball" a lot which becomes boringly desensitising for umps and we seem to grumble at every free against even the obvious. Our strength is celebrating goals, wins and great play. We also seem to get negative too early in games (where's the faith!), but yes being two goals down in the first minutes of games is a bit of a downer.
Geelong and West Coast crowds are much more persuasive.
Collingwood crowds are awful and I think the stuff they go on with is counter productive umpiring wise. And of course they will not change.
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Making more claims you have zero ability to prove (or even know) so you can justify your abusive behaviour.CURLY wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 10:29pmI never abuse umpires I have actually attended numerous umpire meetings. Been involved in tribunals in numerous roles. Some umpires take it as a win when they get one up on some players even clubs.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
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Don't need to prove anything to you.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 22 Apr 2022 9:50amMaking more claims you have zero ability to prove (or even know) so you can justify your abusive behaviour.CURLY wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 10:29pmI never abuse umpires I have actually attended numerous umpire meetings. Been involved in tribunals in numerous roles. Some umpires take it as a win when they get one up on some players even clubs.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:46pmEvery football fan gets frustrated by umpiring.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:17pmSo you are prepared to swear that a muppet like Razor Ray is in no way responsible or makes any contribution to the angst he causes players, coaches and supports alike. It's all our fault?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:43pmYou couldn't have proven my point any better, thanks fellas.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 5:36pmThat statement from the dud one is about as ridiculous as one could get. Poor decisions, poor umpiring and inconsistencies are the cause of most supporters anguish. Footballers have to put a sock in it now that the facists at AFL Headquarters have spoken but I can't see a change in crowd or mob behaviour anytime soon unless umpiring standards improve.![]()
You need to remove your head from that dark smelly place you currently have it.
Only a small percentage abuse the umpires.
You and Curly are in that small percentage.
Like any abuser, you both then use the above ridiculous excuses to absolve yourselves.
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CURLY wrote: ↑Fri 22 Apr 2022 8:24amSo your supporting cheating then.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:56pmI agree that they’re human so if you want to take that one step further, then Adam Schnieder is a perfect example of someone being treated the way he treated others. What did he expect with his clapping and smartarse behaviour in every game. That’s why you just have to cop each and every decision without arguing about it and get on with the game.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:41pmWhat I was saying was that other factors influence umpires other than outright cheating,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:32pmSo what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
There are examples of certain players getting favourable treatment whilst other couldn't get a kick in a bar room brawl.
Sneides in the 2009 grannie is a good example. The non paying of a certain freekick could have changed the course of the game.
Baker is another who couldn't get a free.
Umpire are human and they certainly aren't angels. Curly is right to a certain extent.
I used to chair an AFL affiliated Disputes tribunal. Got to see them up close.
What do you think the AFL is trying to do with these rule changes? It’s all about respecting the umpires and sending a message to all players that they need to be role models. They are the front line for how all levels of junior and suburban footy need to operate.
There is a process to go through if your club has a beef. There is a forum for discussing umpire bias or incorrect umpiring decisions. The clubs who coach their players to respect the umpires have been the ones that get looked after the best.
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No. I support players showing respect. If a player wants to be a fuhkwiit then that’s how reasonable people treat fuhkwits. When Schnieds was carrying on like a pork chop, an umpire couldn’t fine him or suspend him and they also couldn’t pay 50m because there wasn’t a crackdown on dissent back thenCURLY wrote: ↑Fri 22 Apr 2022 8:24amSo your supporting cheating then.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:56pmI agree that they’re human so if you want to take that one step further, then Adam Schnieder is a perfect example of someone being treated the way he treated others. What did he expect with his clapping and smartarse behaviour in every game. That’s why you just have to cop each and every decision without arguing about it and get on with the game.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:41pmWhat I was saying was that other factors influence umpires other than outright cheating,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:32pmSo what? It’s nothing new. In the old days we had suburban grounds. These days we have to play interstate.saynta wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:19pmNo I don't think he is saying that at all. Other factors are at play here, like the noise of affirmation.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 21 Apr 2022 6:13pm He’s saying they deliberately cheat. He’s saying there are umpires who deliberately favour some clubs over others.
They deliberately favour certain players. They are biased and they miss free kicks unless it’s a club or a player they like.
…therefore (like The_Dud rightly pointed out) ….Of course they’ll cop abuse!! It serves them right when it’s their fault!!
If West Coast or Adelaide are playing us at Marvel it’s usually in our favour
There are examples of certain players getting favourable treatment whilst other couldn't get a kick in a bar room brawl.
Sneides in the 2009 grannie is a good example. The non paying of a certain freekick could have changed the course of the game.
Baker is another who couldn't get a free.
Umpire are human and they certainly aren't angels. Curly is right to a certain extent.
I used to chair an AFL affiliated Disputes tribunal. Got to see them up close.
What do you think the AFL is trying to do with these rule changes? It’s all about respecting the umpires and sending a message to all players that they need to be role models. They are the front line for how all levels of junior and suburban footy need to operate.
There is a process to go through if your club has a beef. There is a forum for discussing umpire bias or incorrect umpiring decisions. The clubs who coach their players to respect the umpires have been the ones that get looked after the best.
What’s so hard to understand? An umpire has control and an umpire has the power to award frees or not. Only dumbasses and smartarses who don’t care about winning don’t get it!!
I support clubs showing respect. I support presidents of footy clubs and officials at footy clubs at all levels showing respect.
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Sxollop, you seem to be intimating that Schneider, because of his behavior on the football field, was denied legitimate free kicks.
If that is true then what Curly has been claiming is in fact true.
Legitimate free kicks were not paid because an umpire chose, for whatever reason, that he/she didn't want to pay it.
Even though it may have been there, the umpire chose not to pay it.
Surely that is a bias by the umpire?
In fact, I believe that could legitimately be called cheating by the umpire.
Also, how does one explain 'Whispers in the Sky'?
Mistakes by the umpires don't tally with the reported comments overheard by Tony Jones.
If that is true then what Curly has been claiming is in fact true.
Legitimate free kicks were not paid because an umpire chose, for whatever reason, that he/she didn't want to pay it.
Even though it may have been there, the umpire chose not to pay it.
Surely that is a bias by the umpire?
In fact, I believe that could legitimately be called cheating by the umpire.
Also, how does one explain 'Whispers in the Sky'?
Mistakes by the umpires don't tally with the reported comments overheard by Tony Jones.
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I’ve never said they are robots and they are impartial. Isn’t that obvious to everyone!?? I just want people to understand that you have to be on their side. You benefit from having a good relationship and it’s in the players’ and the club’s interest to treat them with respect and that’s regardless of the 50 metre penalties and the crackdown.
What should come first…St Kilda FC showing respect to the umpiring fraternity and St Kilda’s coach and President showing respect or the other way around? What should have comes first? Schnieder showing respect or an umpiring treating him fairly?
Let’s assume for a second that the AFL didn’t make any changes and that these ‘dissent’ rules were not introduced. If Jack Steele started carrying on like a pork chop this year and disputing half of the decisions made against Saints players, what do you think would be the likely outlook? Where is the benefit to the team for Steele constantly showing dissent?
People whinging about umpires cheating and people refusing to understand this whole respect issue are the ones who will probably continue to complain and I reckon may even continue to yell abuse at umpires at every opportunity because that’s just their nature.
Not sure if you watched Footy Classified on Wednesday night but there were issues discussed that I reckon are fundamental to this umpiring debate. Players miss shots on goal and players miss their targets because of fatigue and because of the pressure. Umpires make mistakes too and there will always be some errors. There are over 200 games each year. There is probably only a few games each year that are decided because of 1 or 2 mistakes by an umpire.
What should come first…St Kilda FC showing respect to the umpiring fraternity and St Kilda’s coach and President showing respect or the other way around? What should have comes first? Schnieder showing respect or an umpiring treating him fairly?
Let’s assume for a second that the AFL didn’t make any changes and that these ‘dissent’ rules were not introduced. If Jack Steele started carrying on like a pork chop this year and disputing half of the decisions made against Saints players, what do you think would be the likely outlook? Where is the benefit to the team for Steele constantly showing dissent?
People whinging about umpires cheating and people refusing to understand this whole respect issue are the ones who will probably continue to complain and I reckon may even continue to yell abuse at umpires at every opportunity because that’s just their nature.
Not sure if you watched Footy Classified on Wednesday night but there were issues discussed that I reckon are fundamental to this umpiring debate. Players miss shots on goal and players miss their targets because of fatigue and because of the pressure. Umpires make mistakes too and there will always be some errors. There are over 200 games each year. There is probably only a few games each year that are decided because of 1 or 2 mistakes by an umpire.