Langdon or Hill

[saintsRrising]

Hill was expensive yes (in part we paid overs as no Big Fish wanted to join us at that time), but one dividend was that it also helped us to gain Ryder, and has also most likely helped Ryder to resurrect his career with us.

https://www.saints.com.au/news/1002306/ ... 20together.


If we had gone for Langdon instead, would we still have gained Ryder? Quite possibly not. If he had still come, would Ryder have settled in so well? Quite possibly not.


Also many have railed against picking up players with poor disposal. Well Langdon at that time was not known for good disposal.

[saintsRrising]

With any of the draft/ trade decisions you have to go with what was reasonable when that deal/pick was made.


At the time Hill was a good pick up, though arguably we paid overs. However you often have to pay overs to get a good player.


So it is one reason I am ok with the Billings pick. At the time it was a reasonable pick.

Whereas like many at the time with Paddy I thought Petracca was the obvious pick. And then when you heard the stories of Trout thinking that he was too arrogant at the interview you wonder about the ability of the person making the call.


The issue with Hill now is making the most of his talents of being a good ball user if not pressured, and his running ability. He is a purely an outside player and so we have to get him in back in a role where we make the most of that. HBF worked well for a while, but opposition coaches area wake up to him there now.

[happy feet]

I hope this makes us all feel a little bit better about the Hill move.

It certainly made me feel better this week after being in iso with Covid. Ol mate Ross the Boss came out with something I wasn’t aware of (and not many people would be). He said on Wednesday’s Classified show that the person who was Ed’s mentor and the person who Ed trained with at Fremantle and the player he tried to emulate at Freo was Brad Hill.

I have always been a big rap for coaches and footy department people who look beyond the short term. If Brad can help inspire and motivate some of our rookies or a guy like NWM or Windy or Mitch then we made the right choice. Maybe we might end up with 2 or 3 Ed Langdon types.

I have called many people apologists when they’ve come on here and defended what I believed to be poor decisions, but I can see a little clearer now that the intent and the motivation and the goal of the club with bringing in Brad Hill at the same time as Ryder and Jones and others was to fill gaps created by consecutive staff who were quite poor at their jobs, and maybe a very poor coaching and football development team.

The membership numbers in 2019 were a direct result of incompetent people and poor management over several years. There needed to be some swift solutions to make us competitive or we risked alienating too many supporters and sponsors.

They made necessary and smart business decisions to make us competitive but I was not happy that they went hard 3 years running and over estimated the benefits to be had by bringing in old and/or second rate B grade players. The fact that we went back to the draft and back to regenerating for the long term, they have redeemed themselves in my book

This is going to sound weird coming from me, because I have been really tough on Brad, but maybe I wasn’t looking at the big picture. Our recruitment decisions and our focus on young talent recently is going to pay dividends while we have people like Brad Hill at the club.

Very well said Scallop, in fact it’s one of the best posts I have read in along time. If you want success you recruit talent AND quality people. I think there were unrealistic expectations of Brad Hill on the field. I believe he will come good. What we don’t see is what he does behind the scenes.

People on here want to chase DeGoey. Sure he has talent, but is he a quality person?

[saynta]

I hope this makes us all feel a little bit better about the Hill move.

It certainly made me feel better this week after being in iso with Covid. Ol mate Ross the Boss came out with something I wasn’t aware of (and not many people would be). He said on Wednesday’s Classified show that the person who was Ed’s mentor and the person who Ed trained with at Fremantle and the player he tried to emulate at Freo was Brad Hill.

I have always been a big rap for coaches and footy department people who look beyond the short term. If Brad can help inspire and motivate some of our rookies or a guy like NWM or Windy or Mitch then we made the right choice. Maybe we might end up with 2 or 3 Ed Langdon types.

I have called many people apologists when they’ve come on here and defended what I believed to be poor decisions, but I can see a little clearer now that the intent and the motivation and the goal of the club with bringing in Brad Hill at the same time as Ryder and Jones and others was to fill gaps created by consecutive staff who were quite poor at their jobs, and maybe a very poor coaching and football development team.

The membership numbers in 2019 were a direct result of incompetent people and poor management over several years. There needed to be some swift solutions to make us competitive or we risked alienating too many supporters and sponsors.

They made necessary and smart business decisions to make us competitive but I was not happy that they went hard 3 years running and over estimated the benefits to be had by bringing in old and/or second rate B grade players. The fact that we went back to the draft and back to regenerating for the long term, they have redeemed themselves in my book

This is going to sound weird coming from me, because I have been really tough on Brad, but maybe I wasn’t looking at the big picture. Our recruitment decisions and our focus on young talent recently is going to pay dividends while we have people like Brad Hill at the club.

Very well said Scallop, in fact it’s one of the best posts I have read in along time. If you want success you recruit talent AND quality people. I think there were unrealistic expectations of Brad Hill on the field. I believe he will come good. What we don’t see is what he does behind the scenes.

People on here want to chase DeGoey. Sure he has talent, but is he a quality person?

Sinmple answer? No.

[bangaulegend]

I hope this makes us all feel a little bit better about the Hill move.

It certainly made me feel better this week after being in iso with Covid. Ol mate Ross the Boss came out with something I wasn’t aware of (and not many people would be). He said on Wednesday’s Classified show that the person who was Ed’s mentor and the person who Ed trained with at Fremantle and the player he tried to emulate at Freo was Brad Hill.

I have always been a big rap for coaches and footy department people who look beyond the short term. If Brad can help inspire and motivate some of our rookies or a guy like NWM or Windy or Mitch then we made the right choice. Maybe we might end up with 2 or 3 Ed Langdon types.

I have called many people apologists when they’ve come on here and defended what I believed to be poor decisions, but I can see a little clearer now that the intent and the motivation and the goal of the club with bringing in Brad Hill at the same time as Ryder and Jones and others was to fill gaps created by consecutive staff who were quite poor at their jobs, and maybe a very poor coaching and football development team.

The membership numbers in 2019 were a direct result of incompetent people and poor management over several years. There needed to be some swift solutions to make us competitive or we risked alienating too many supporters and sponsors.

They made necessary and smart business decisions to make us competitive but I was not happy that they went hard 3 years running and over estimated the benefits to be had by bringing in old and/or second rate B grade players. The fact that we went back to the draft and back to regenerating for the long term, they have redeemed themselves in my book

This is going to sound weird coming from me, because I have been really tough on Brad, but maybe I wasn’t looking at the big picture. Our recruitment decisions and our focus on young talent recently is going to pay dividends while we have people like Brad Hill at the club.

Very well said Scallop, in fact it’s one of the best posts I have read in along time. If you want success you recruit talent AND quality people. I think there were unrealistic expectations of Brad Hill on the field. I believe he will come good. What we don’t see is what he does behind the scenes.

People on here want to chase DeGoey. Sure he has talent, but is he a quality person?

Sinmple answer? No.

+1

[happy feet]

I hope this makes us all feel a little bit better about the Hill move.

It certainly made me feel better this week after being in iso with Covid. Ol mate Ross the Boss came out with something I wasn’t aware of (and not many people would be). He said on Wednesday’s Classified show that the person who was Ed’s mentor and the person who Ed trained with at Fremantle and the player he tried to emulate at Freo was Brad Hill.

I have always been a big rap for coaches and footy department people who look beyond the short term. If Brad can help inspire and motivate some of our rookies or a guy like NWM or Windy or Mitch then we made the right choice. Maybe we might end up with 2 or 3 Ed Langdon types.

I have called many people apologists when they’ve come on here and defended what I believed to be poor decisions, but I can see a little clearer now that the intent and the motivation and the goal of the club with bringing in Brad Hill at the same time as Ryder and Jones and others was to fill gaps created by consecutive staff who were quite poor at their jobs, and maybe a very poor coaching and football development team.

The membership numbers in 2019 were a direct result of incompetent people and poor management over several years. There needed to be some swift solutions to make us competitive or we risked alienating too many supporters and sponsors.

They made necessary and smart business decisions to make us competitive but I was not happy that they went hard 3 years running and over estimated the benefits to be had by bringing in old and/or second rate B grade players. The fact that we went back to the draft and back to regenerating for the long term, they have redeemed themselves in my book

This is going to sound weird coming from me, because I have been really tough on Brad, but maybe I wasn’t looking at the big picture. Our recruitment decisions and our focus on young talent recently is going to pay dividends while we have people like Brad Hill at the club.

Very well said Scallop, in fact it’s one of the best posts I have read in along time. If you want success you recruit talent AND quality people. I think there were unrealistic expectations of Brad Hill on the field. I believe he will come good. What we don’t see is what he does behind the scenes.

People on here want to chase DeGoey. Sure he has talent, but is he a quality person?

Sinmple answer? No.

+1

+1,000,000

[whiskers3614]

Gee, between Hill’s leadership and Hannebery’s training standards we should have the flag sewn up!

As for the snake oil salesman’s words, I would probably only believe every third one at best.

[whiskers3614]

Gee, between Hill’s leadership and Hannebery’s training standards we should have the flag sewn up!

As for the snake oil salesman’s words, I would probably only believe every third one at best.

[saynta]

I hope this makes us all feel a little bit better about the Hill move.

It certainly made me feel better this week after being in iso with Covid. Ol mate Ross the Boss came out with something I wasn’t aware of (and not many people would be). He said on Wednesday’s Classified show that the person who was Ed’s mentor and the person who Ed trained with at Fremantle and the player he tried to emulate at Freo was Brad Hill.

I have always been a big rap for coaches and footy department people who look beyond the short term. If Brad can help inspire and motivate some of our rookies or a guy like NWM or Windy or Mitch then we made the right choice. Maybe we might end up with 2 or 3 Ed Langdon types.

I have called many people apologists when they’ve come on here and defended what I believed to be poor decisions, but I can see a little clearer now that the intent and the motivation and the goal of the club with bringing in Brad Hill at the same time as Ryder and Jones and others was to fill gaps created by consecutive staff who were quite poor at their jobs, and maybe a very poor coaching and football development team.

The membership numbers in 2019 were a direct result of incompetent people and poor management over several years. There needed to be some swift solutions to make us competitive or we risked alienating too many supporters and sponsors.

They made necessary and smart business decisions to make us competitive but I was not happy that they went hard 3 years running and over estimated the benefits to be had by bringing in old and/or second rate B grade players. The fact that we went back to the draft and back to regenerating for the long term, they have redeemed themselves in my book

This is going to sound weird coming from me, because I have been really tough on Brad, but maybe I wasn’t looking at the big picture. Our recruitment decisions and our focus on young talent recently is going to pay dividends while we have people like Brad Hill at the club.

Very well said Scallop, in fact it’s one of the best posts I have read in along time. If you want success you recruit talent AND quality people. I think there were unrealistic expectations of Brad Hill on the field. I believe he will come good. What we don’t see is what he does behind the scenes.

People on here want to chase DeGoey. Sure he has talent, but is he a quality person?

Sinmple answer? No.

+1

[SaintWiki]

If Hill wasn't tagged as much he would please some people a bit more, but then the same would probably be winging about the player who was tagged instead. His price was very high but I do wonder how well we would be going without him, even if his contribution is minimal compared to the expectation of many ... and he was added to the team as an outside player, wheras he is contantly in very close traffic in the role he has been given.

[B.M]

If we had Langdon - better

Point of the post

Tell you now. 100%
He is not as fit as he was elsewhere

[saynta]

No he is fitter . Employed a coach to do additional work as did Coffield. That's according to Ratts.

[B.M]

Mate,

He ran a sub 9:30 3k at Hawthorn and got 16.6 on the beep test

He wasn’t even top 5 at StK

Nowhere near as fit - he looks overweight

[Scollop]

Mate,

He ran a sub 9:30 3k at Hawthorn and got 16.6 on the beep test

He wasn’t even top 5 at StK

Nowhere near as fit - he looks overweight

Lobster has more cholesterol and more calories

[Wayne42]

Hill looks OK today, must have shed a few kg's.

[B.M]

Or he’s playing on the most unaccountable HB in footy

[happy feet]

Or he’s playing on the most unaccountable HB in footy

Oh well who cares, we have registered a great win and Brad Hill has done very well. I know you will be pleased about that.

[B.M]

Well done Hill - you fat f***

[happy feet]

Well done Hill - you fat f***

You deserve some credit Big Mart, your post provided the necessary motivation. Maybe you should be Sainter of the Round.

[sendmehomehappy]

Hill’s got BM on a direct feed

[B.M]

I think CJ deserves to be DARE Sainter of the round!

Played on Hill mostly and never went within cooee of him!!!

It’s one thing to attack and rebound from HB, it’s another to not defend at all

[Trev from the Bush]

Gee, between Hill’s leadership and Hannebery’s training standards we should have the flag sewn up!

As for the snake oil salesman’s words, I would probably only believe every third one at best.

Perhaps you wish you had refrained from posting until tonight Whiskers. It didn't make a lot of sense, less now.

[saynta]

After today's game, that argument should be put to rest. Hill by the length of the f****** straight IMHO.

[whiskers3614]

Gee, between Hill’s leadership and Hannebery’s training standards we should have the flag sewn up!

As for the snake oil salesman’s words, I would probably only believe every third one at best.

Perhaps you wish you had refrained from posting until tonight Whiskers. It didn't make a lot of sense, less now.

If he played like that more often we would not be having the current debate!
Anyway good on him and let’s hope he has many more good games.

[whiskers3614]

Gee, between Hill’s leadership and Hannebery’s training standards we should have the flag sewn up!

As for the snake oil salesman’s words, I would probably only believe every third one at best.

Perhaps you wish you had refrained from posting until tonight Whiskers. It didn't make a lot of sense, less now.

If he played like that more often we would not be having the current debate!
Anyway good on him and let’s hope he has many more good games.