Dunstan on Show Me The Money

[The_Dud]

However,

Openly saying you’d rather work as a chippy on a construction site than play for StK means the point is moot

Makes sense when your employer basically black-balls you for 2 years

What the doco doesn't tell us is how long have other clubs been interested at the price he had with us.
Essendon weren't interested, Gold Coast could have had him for the last 2 years and Melbourne made their point clear, two years, low income, midfield depth. Excellent value for the best team in the comp.
Does that mean he wouldn’t be in our best 22 still, he clearly is when at his best, but those runs of form are few and far between and he can go from hero to zero in one bad decision.
If his form is true, he will cause some conflict amongst the players, be negatively outspoken often and be over physical at training but I reckon Petracca, Oliver and Viney will thrive on that and he is well placed at the Demons.
We won't miss him, he would be handy right now, but he is no replacement for Hannebery Billings or Clark.

I think a player who in the last 2 seasons scored Brownlow votes in half the games he played (who else in the league has done that?) while under trying circumstances (his club actively working against him) is an asset you don't just throw away for nothing.

A good club would have either worked out how to utilise that asset or get something in return, it's worrying we did neither.

Its a buyers market for guys like Dunstan.
If you believe he hasn't been bought up constantly in trades since 2019, you've missed the fact he was ready to pick up the tools and play a lower grade. Not the actions of a man expecting to make the most of a sticky situation.
We re-contracted him for 2 years in 2019 and its clear now, he believes he deserved better treatment than what he has been given.
But, the order of our mids was then, and is still, Steele, Gresham, Crouch, Ross and then Dunstan and Bytel a ways behind, leaving Billings and Hanners to the side. Burnes is about to come on and Windhager and Owens look likely to be bulls.
His game is based on stoppages, yet he struggles to run out games and has often made a massive impact in a half and then fades away. This pattern extends over 100 games.
He had a point to prove and he has proven it, he is a back up mid in the leagues best midfield.
We got to use his salary on 3 or 4 young blokes with skills and attributes he lacks, kids that will impact in the next 2 years.
No other club was willing to work with him in their best 22. Why should we be any different?

I don’t think I’ve seen a player incorrectly maligned in a while as mush as Dunstan. Making mountains out of molehills. Narratives are chosen then stuck with regardless of evidence.

Last season he averaged 13.5 disposals in the first half and 11.6 in the second. Hardly “struggling to run out games” IMO.

Talking about averages, he also averaged…
3rd most disposals
3rd most tackles
3rd most contested possessions
2nd most clearances
1st most inside 50s
4th most SC points
And finished 2nd in Brownlow votes.

Not saying he is perfect, but he is easily a better player right now than the likes of Ross and Geary. He is one of our captains best mates so I don’t doubt his character.

As said earlier, considering all the above, the fact we couldn’t work with or get something for Dunstan is a negative mark against our club.

A better player than Ross? What utter rubbish. The club obviously doesn't agree with you.

And the club never makes mistakes, hey Stinger?

[Vortex]

However,

Openly saying you’d rather work as a chippy on a construction site than play for StK means the point is moot

Makes sense when your employer basically black-balls you for 2 years

What the doco doesn't tell us is how long have other clubs been interested at the price he had with us.
Essendon weren't interested, Gold Coast could have had him for the last 2 years and Melbourne made their point clear, two years, low income, midfield depth. Excellent value for the best team in the comp.
Does that mean he wouldn’t be in our best 22 still, he clearly is when at his best, but those runs of form are few and far between and he can go from hero to zero in one bad decision.
If his form is true, he will cause some conflict amongst the players, be negatively outspoken often and be over physical at training but I reckon Petracca, Oliver and Viney will thrive on that and he is well placed at the Demons.
We won't miss him, he would be handy right now, but he is no replacement for Hannebery Billings or Clark.

I think a player who in the last 2 seasons scored Brownlow votes in half the games he played (who else in the league has done that?) while under trying circumstances (his club actively working against him) is an asset you don't just throw away for nothing.

A good club would have either worked out how to utilise that asset or get something in return, it's worrying we did neither.

Its a buyers market for guys like Dunstan.
If you believe he hasn't been bought up constantly in trades since 2019, you've missed the fact he was ready to pick up the tools and play a lower grade. Not the actions of a man expecting to make the most of a sticky situation.
We re-contracted him for 2 years in 2019 and its clear now, he believes he deserved better treatment than what he has been given.
But, the order of our mids was then, and is still, Steele, Gresham, Crouch, Ross and then Dunstan and Bytel a ways behind, leaving Billings and Hanners to the side. Burnes is about to come on and Windhager and Owens look likely to be bulls.
His game is based on stoppages, yet he struggles to run out games and has often made a massive impact in a half and then fades away. This pattern extends over 100 games.
He had a point to prove and he has proven it, he is a back up mid in the leagues best midfield.
We got to use his salary on 3 or 4 young blokes with skills and attributes he lacks, kids that will impact in the next 2 years.
No other club was willing to work with him in their best 22. Why should we be any different?

I think his greatest weakness is his attitude. His contempt for the club was plain for all to see last year and the doco showed he clearly is still an angry person.

His very, very brief period last year of improved performances was clearly motivated by anger and so unless he can stay angry for the rest of his career, it's highly likely he won't be able to deliver to a level again to allow him to get selected ahead of premiership midfielders - some generational types.

Weren’t there reports that he didn’t follow coaches instructions and played his own game?

You'd think there had to be a fairly serious reason why Ratts told him before R1 last year that he'd played his last game for the club.

[CQ SAINT]

Dunstan has been quiet tonight.

[Vortex]

Dunstan has been quiet tonight.

He was practising his chippy skills back at the club rooms.

[CQ SAINT]

However,

Openly saying you’d rather work as a chippy on a construction site than play for StK means the point is moot

Makes sense when your employer basically black-balls you for 2 years

What the doco doesn't tell us is how long have other clubs been interested at the price he had with us.
Essendon weren't interested, Gold Coast could have had him for the last 2 years and Melbourne made their point clear, two years, low income, midfield depth. Excellent value for the best team in the comp.
Does that mean he wouldn’t be in our best 22 still, he clearly is when at his best, but those runs of form are few and far between and he can go from hero to zero in one bad decision.
If his form is true, he will cause some conflict amongst the players, be negatively outspoken often and be over physical at training but I reckon Petracca, Oliver and Viney will thrive on that and he is well placed at the Demons.
We won't miss him, he would be handy right now, but he is no replacement for Hannebery Billings or Clark.

I think a player who in the last 2 seasons scored Brownlow votes in half the games he played (who else in the league has done that?) while under trying circumstances (his club actively working against him) is an asset you don't just throw away for nothing.

A good club would have either worked out how to utilise that asset or get something in return, it's worrying we did neither.

Its a buyers market for guys like Dunstan.
If you believe he hasn't been bought up constantly in trades since 2019, you've missed the fact he was ready to pick up the tools and play a lower grade. Not the actions of a man expecting to make the most of a sticky situation.
We re-contracted him for 2 years in 2019 and its clear now, he believes he deserved better treatment than what he has been given.
But, the order of our mids was then, and is still, Steele, Gresham, Crouch, Ross and then Dunstan and Bytel a ways behind, leaving Billings and Hanners to the side. Burnes is about to come on and Windhager and Owens look likely to be bulls.
His game is based on stoppages, yet he struggles to run out games and has often made a massive impact in a half and then fades away. This pattern extends over 100 games.
He had a point to prove and he has proven it, he is a back up mid in the leagues best midfield.
We got to use his salary on 3 or 4 young blokes with skills and attributes he lacks, kids that will impact in the next 2 years.
No other club was willing to work with him in their best 22. Why should we be any different?

I don’t think I’ve seen a player incorrectly maligned in a while as mush as Dunstan. Making mountains out of molehills. Narratives are chosen then stuck with regardless of evidence.

Last season he averaged 13.5 disposals in the first half and 11.6 in the second. Hardly “struggling to run out games” IMO.

Talking about averages, he also averaged…
3rd most disposals
3rd most tackles
3rd most contested possessions
2nd most clearances
1st most inside 50s
4th most SC points
And finished 2nd in Brownlow votes.

Not saying he is perfect, but he is easily a better player right now than the likes of Ross and Geary. He is one of our captains best mates so I don’t doubt his character.

As said earlier, considering all the above, the fact we couldn’t work with or get something for Dunstan is a negative mark against our club.

I've always been a Dunstan supporter. I've never thought he was a genuine balanced mid because in 100 minutes of football I've seen him, many times, come out of the boxes flying and the die in the ass, many times.
What I did admire was his strength, toughness and stoppage skills, contested possessions, tackles, clearances and his fearlessness.
Regardless of these attributes, you don't want him trying to break lines, delivering the ball forward or playing anywhere other than stoppages. It must have pissed him off but that is his lot.
He isn't quick, he has average endurance and is an average, boardering on poor, kick.
He has played with niggling injuries too, which is courageous but by his own admission hampered his mental and physical fitness.
His stats from 2021, reflected a different player. Obviously, he was well rested, was playing for his career and he did a great job, but his approach was different. He wasn't just in and under.
He is historically roughly 50/50 in possessions, that changed dramatically and he started kicking more. He increased his career disposal average by 25% and played outside the fall of the ball more. He had a great run of form and it was hard to knock him.
Better than Ross atm is a stretch.
In 2019, Ross was told to swim between the flags and has dramatically changed his style, as instructed. The same deficiencies with kicking are still there but he is playing his role.
Around the same time, Ratten said blokes who can't kick, won't play.
In the first game of 2020, Dunstan decided to play differently, less emphasis on in and under, he tried to kick more often and he butchered quite a few and his direct opponent ran amok while he was running the other way. To use the flags analogy again, you say ' he was caught out on a back beach in a riptide. Then he spent the rest of the season sunbathing at Noosa. How did the team go?.

[kosifantutti]

He wasn’t opposed to Cunnington in the first game of 2020.

[CQ SAINT]

And Dud, what will his role be at Melbourne when he plays. They have targeted him as a number one choice, to be the best midfielder, who doesn't play until the clearances bulls, Petracca, Oliver and Viney are injured.
No sweeping off half back, no outside, inside fifty delivery, just put your head down but up and smash those stoppages and handball to the outside.
Did you hear Knob Heads question, 'How's your time trial going Luke'? Don't worry mate we know what you are good at, it will be just like Noosa and and 2021. Train hard, basic income, no pressure and maybe a dozen games.
I hope smashes it but I'm reminded of another bloke who wasn't happy at St.Kilda. Poor old Jack Steven. That didn't end well and we actually had to pay to have Geelong take him.

[CQ SAINT]

He wasn’t opposed to Cunnington in the first game of 2020.

Steele was ultimately accountable for Cunnington and he got a bath from a very good footballer but when the game was swung half way through the 3rd, Dunstan was switching from Higgins to Cunnington.
They were both just running off him and making position up the ground. They basically turned the game and he was getting to them late.
Cunnington was on fire and out played Steele Towball and Dunstan but Jones and Steele went with him. Dunstan tried to attack. He basically ran around loose. There was very little accountability from him. He has nothing to offer outside of grappling and diving into congestion and he just wasn't playing that way.
Coaches give instruction and rotations are planned, its difficult to maintain control) from.the sidelines. There were clear messages from the aftermath that players just weren't playing as instructed.
The back lash from Ratten on Dunstan from that point was obvious. Its ok to be beaten, but you can't avoid accountability. Steele went on to win the best and fairest.

[The_Dud]

And Dud, what will his role be at Melbourne when he plays. They have targeted him as a number one choice, to be the best midfielder, who doesn't play until the clearances bulls, Petracca, Oliver and Viney are injured.
No sweeping off half back, no outside, inside fifty delivery, just put your head down but up and smash those stoppages and handball to the outside.
Did you hear Knob Heads question, 'How's your time trial going Luke'? Don't worry mate we know what you are good at, it will be just like Noosa and and 2021. Train hard, basic income, no pressure and maybe a dozen games.
I hope smashes it but I'm reminded of another bloke who wasn't happy at St.Kilda. Poor old Jack Steven. That didn't end well and we actually had to pay to have Geelong take him.

Poor Jack was cooked a long time before he went to Geelong.

And as I said earlier, incorrect narratives are repeated about Luke that are then accepted as fact despite the actual evidence. Last season he had a better DE% than both Viney and Petracca (and probably a better year overall than Viney). Now that's obviously not everything, but its definitely something. There are many more aspects to his game than just being a clearance bull.

A fringe player is never going to walk in to the premiership midfield of his new club, but Ben Brown didn't land a permanent spot in the team last year until round 17, and now he has a premiership medal around his neck.

But back to the main point, the fact we got nothing for Luke is a very poor look for the club.

[cwrcyn]

No one wanted to give up anything for him. He was shopped around at the end of 2020 and there was zero interest from other clubs. ZERO!

As for those kicking efficiency stats, they are pretty much garbage. I don't know how they measure it, but something's awry.

[The_Dud]

No one wanted to give up anything for him. He was shopped around at the end of 2020 and there was zero interest from other clubs. ZERO!

As for those kicking efficiency stats, they are pretty much garbage. I don't know how they measure it, but something's awry.

Zero interest after a season where he played one game then missed the rest injured?

When your current employer is openly sh*tting on you (rightly or wrongly) it's not going to give you much leverage when trying to find work with future employers.

[WellardSaint]

No one wanted to give up anything for him. He was shopped around at the end of 2020 and there was zero interest from other clubs. ZERO!

As for those kicking efficiency stats, they are pretty much garbage. I don't know how they measure it, but something's awry.

Champion Data says
Effective handball hits its intended target

Effective kick: a kick >40 m that either goes to a 50/50 contest or better for the team, and a kick <40m that results in the intended target retaining possession

[cwrcyn]

So, crappy 35m kicks going inside 50 are not counted. Hopelessly flawed measure of kicking accuracy by Champion Data

[CQ SAINT]

And Dud, what will his role be at Melbourne when he plays. They have targeted him as a number one choice, to be the best midfielder, who doesn't play until the clearances bulls, Petracca, Oliver and Viney are injured.
No sweeping off half back, no outside, inside fifty delivery, just put your head down but up and smash those stoppages and handball to the outside.
Did you hear Knob Heads question, 'How's your time trial going Luke'? Don't worry mate we know what you are good at, it will be just like Noosa and and 2021. Train hard, basic income, no pressure and maybe a dozen games.
I hope smashes it but I'm reminded of another bloke who wasn't happy at St.Kilda. Poor old Jack Steven. That didn't end well and we actually had to pay to have Geelong take him.

Poor Jack was cooked a long time before he went to Geelong.

And as I said earlier, incorrect narratives are repeated about Luke that are then accepted as fact despite the actual evidence. Last season he had a better DE% than both Viney and Petracca (and probably a better year overall than Viney). Now that's obviously not everything, but its definitely something. There are many more aspects to his game than just being a clearance bull.

A fringe player is never going to walk in to the premiership midfield of his new club, but Ben Brown didn't land a permanent spot in the team last year until round 17, and now he has a premiership medal around his neck.

But back to the main point, the fact we got nothing for Luke is a very poor look for the club.

Lol. Actual evidence, I assume you are talking about Luke's kicking and the fact he got more possessions over a period where he abandoned his role and went kick chasing to try and save his career. Turns out it was a stellar performance by a man obviously underrated by the whole competition except the umpires but you forgot one far more exceptional improvement in 2021.
While his disposal average increased by a whopping 25%, his clanger average increase smashed 25% and infact doubled that with 50%.
Clangers are disposal that give the ball directly to the opposition. No dressing that up.
Disposal efficiency stats are bulls***.
Boom the ball over 40m to a 50/50 and get as many short handballs as you can and you are good as gold.
He got brownlow votes, that is a fact.
Dunstan, like Newnes and, to a lesser degree, Lonie were not worth trading for and why would you? They both resulted in no compo, because they took budget deals to keep the jobs they had prior. You can add Lonie too. The market assessed them as having no value.
In this case, the facts are we couldn't get anything for Dunstan, his last patch of form was about him, not his role at St.Kilda, which is now finished and he has picked up at Melbourne where he left off with the majority of his last contract. The best midfielder outside the ones that take the field as a first choice.
His strength is doing stuff that largely only releases better footballers so they can get the ball and then do something constructive with it.
Don't let me destroy your narrative though, you're entitled to it but please don't bring the so called facts into it, unless you bring them all.

[The_Dud]

And Dud, what will his role be at Melbourne when he plays. They have targeted him as a number one choice, to be the best midfielder, who doesn't play until the clearances bulls, Petracca, Oliver and Viney are injured.
No sweeping off half back, no outside, inside fifty delivery, just put your head down but up and smash those stoppages and handball to the outside.
Did you hear Knob Heads question, 'How's your time trial going Luke'? Don't worry mate we know what you are good at, it will be just like Noosa and and 2021. Train hard, basic income, no pressure and maybe a dozen games.
I hope smashes it but I'm reminded of another bloke who wasn't happy at St.Kilda. Poor old Jack Steven. That didn't end well and we actually had to pay to have Geelong take him.

Poor Jack was cooked a long time before he went to Geelong.

And as I said earlier, incorrect narratives are repeated about Luke that are then accepted as fact despite the actual evidence. Last season he had a better DE% than both Viney and Petracca (and probably a better year overall than Viney). Now that's obviously not everything, but its definitely something. There are many more aspects to his game than just being a clearance bull.

A fringe player is never going to walk in to the premiership midfield of his new club, but Ben Brown didn't land a permanent spot in the team last year until round 17, and now he has a premiership medal around his neck.

But back to the main point, the fact we got nothing for Luke is a very poor look for the club.

Lol. Actual evidence, I assume you are talking about Luke's kicking and the fact he got more possessions over a period where he abandoned his role and went kick chasing to try and save his career. Turns out it was a stellar performance by a man obviously underrated by the whole competition except the umpires but you forgot one far more exceptional improvement in 2021.
While his disposal average increased by a whopping 25%, his clanger average increase smashed 25% and infact doubled that with 50%.
Clangers are disposal that give the ball directly to the opposition. No dressing that up.
Disposal efficiency stats are bulls***.
Boom the ball over 40m to a 50/50 and get as many short handballs as you can and you are good as gold.
He got brownlow votes, that is a fact.
Dunstan, like Newnes and, to a lesser degree, Lonie were not worth trading for and why would you? They both resulted in no compo, because they took budget deals to keep the jobs they had prior. You can add Lonie too. The market assessed them as having no value.
In this case, the facts are we couldn't get anything for Dunstan, his last patch of form was about him, not his role at St.Kilda, which is now finished and he has picked up at Melbourne where he left off with the majority of his last contract. The best midfielder outside the ones that take the field as a first choice.
His strength is doing stuff that largely only releases better footballers so they can get the ball and then do something constructive with it.
Don't let me destroy your narrative though, you're entitled to it but please don't bring the so called facts into it, unless you bring them all.

"Lol. Actual evidence, I assume you are talking about Luke's kicking and the fact he got more possessions over a period where he abandoned his role and went kick chasing to try and save his career."

Lets just look at this before anything else. So lets say for arguments sake Luke did in fact "abandon his role" (which is obviously just more narrative with no evidence, unless you have some?) and went "kick chasing", do you think the fact that this resulted in him getting multiple BOGs and Brownlow votes, best year of his career, should have maybe triggered something in our coaching staff that said "hey wait a sec, maybe the role we have shoehorned him in for so long isn't actually how to best use him" and lead them to reflect on this and maybe figure out ways to utilise him better? Or do you think stubbornly sticking with a decision they made 2 seasons earlier despite new evidence was better management?

Yep clangers went up, this usually occurs when disposals go up. Lets compare him (4.17) to a few of his contemporaries; he's behind Oliver (5.12), Petracca (5.00), Crouch (4.35), Viney (4.20) and just ahead of Steele (3.95). So yeah, maybe not really that out of the ordinary...


36 second mark. A one-step 50 metre pass onto the chest of a leading forward seems a) pretty good for a bloke who "can't kick" and b) like something we should be able to work with.

Teams didn't deal with us for him because they knew they didn't have to deal with us for him. We had no leverage, due to 2 years of openly sh*tting on him. Regardless of anything else, that's bad management right there.

[saynta]

FFS, move on the guy was a dud.

[CQ SAINT]

There you go, off on your own narrative again, which is cool but last time I looked all the other players you mentioned have lucrative contract deals placing them firmly in their teams top tier midfielders.
The comparison to Dunstan's tiny sample is hugely flawed considering the worth the other players mentioned deliver, with the other 20-30 disposals they have amassed weekly over the bulk of their career.
But hey, hypothetically at least, there is nothing stopping Dunstan pushing out Viney, Petracca and Oliver now, is there.
He is in the right environment to flourish.
All he has to do is accept his position, play the way the coach instructs him and bingo.
Poor Luke, 100 games pigeon holed as inconsistent, unreliable and erractic, instructed to just play to his strength and then just as he was about to have a break out year, the Saints s*** on him and make the finals without any contribution from him at all. Cool story.
Let's revisit this at the end of the season and see how he goes.
Maybe a stand named after him at Casey Fields first and then a chance to compare himself with the leagues elite midfielders. The ones he has dedicated most of his career to trying to stop.

[The_Dud]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here?

You claim his disposal isn’t up to scratch so I highlight his DE compared to other players.

You then claim DE doesn’t mean anything and clangers are the crucial stat that tell the truth, so I highlight how he stacks up here equally with other players too.

You then claim this doesn’t mean anything because he doesn’t have a lucrative contract with a club, which is precisely what I’m trying to say, that he SHOULD have a contract with us but doesn’t because he has been mismanaged. Then we just start the whole loop again!

I don’t understand how you find it impossible that a club who drafted McCartin over Petracca, gave away Ball for free, drafted Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts, brought in broken down DH on huge money to be injured for 4 years, traded for Lovett who didn’t make it thru preseason, let Lyon walk to Freo, had a cokehead as President, refused to trade Jack Steven when he still has value, and a bunch of other catastrophes, might have handled this whole Dunstan situation wrong?

[saynta]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here?

You claim his disposal isn’t up to scratch so I highlight his DE compared to other players.

You then claim DE doesn’t mean anything and clangers are the crucial stat that tell the truth, so I highlight how he stacks up here equally with other players too.

You then claim this doesn’t mean anything because he doesn’t have a lucrative contract with a club, which is precisely what I’m trying to say, that he SHOULD have a contract with us but doesn’t because he has been mismanaged. Then we just start the whole loop again!

I don’t understand how you find it impossible that a club who drafted McCartin over Petracca, gave away Ball for free, drafted Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts, brought in broken down DH on huge money to be injured for 4 years, traded for Lovett who didn’t make it thru preseason, let Lyon walk to Freo, had a cokehead as President, refused to trade Jack Steven when he still has value, and a bunch of other catastrophes, might have handled this whole Dunstan situation wrong?

You have finally exposed yourself as a saints hater.

Your continual posting in relation to a player the saints didn't want, who didn't want us, who disobeyed instructions and played for himself rather than the team is quite tiresome.

On top of that he bagged us on the way out

In a perfect world you would stop posting rubbish on this site and move on to a team you really support.


It is obviously not St Kilda

In that perfect world a reasonable mod would have shifted this thread to the opposition forum a long time ago.

[The_Dud]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here?

You claim his disposal isn’t up to scratch so I highlight his DE compared to other players.

You then claim DE doesn’t mean anything and clangers are the crucial stat that tell the truth, so I highlight how he stacks up here equally with other players too.

You then claim this doesn’t mean anything because he doesn’t have a lucrative contract with a club, which is precisely what I’m trying to say, that he SHOULD have a contract with us but doesn’t because he has been mismanaged. Then we just start the whole loop again!

I don’t understand how you find it impossible that a club who drafted McCartin over Petracca, gave away Ball for free, drafted Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts, brought in broken down DH on huge money to be injured for 4 years, traded for Lovett who didn’t make it thru preseason, let Lyon walk to Freo, had a cokehead as President, refused to trade Jack Steven when he still has value, and a bunch of other catastrophes, might have handled this whole Dunstan situation wrong?

You have finally exposed yourself as a saints hater.

Your continual posting in relation to a player the saints didn't want, who didn't want us, who disobeyed instructions and played for himself rather than the team is quite tiresome.

On top of that he bagged us on the way out

In a perfect world you would stop posting rubbish on this site and move on to a team you really support.


It is obviously not St Kilda

In that perfect world a reasonable mod would have shifted this thread to the opposition forum a long time ago.

Sorry, did you say something Stinger?

[CQ SAINT]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here?

You claim his disposal isn’t up to scratch so I highlight his DE compared to other players.

You then claim DE doesn’t mean anything and clangers are the crucial stat that tell the truth, so I highlight how he stacks up here equally with other players too.

You then claim this doesn’t mean anything because he doesn’t have a lucrative contract with a club, which is precisely what I’m trying to say, that he SHOULD have a contract with us but doesn’t because he has been mismanaged. Then we just start the whole loop again!

I don’t understand how you find it impossible that a club who drafted McCartin over Petracca, gave away Ball for free, drafted Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts, brought in broken down DH on huge money to be injured for 4 years, traded for Lovett who didn’t make it thru preseason, let Lyon walk to Freo, had a cokehead as President, refused to trade Jack Steven when he still has value, and a bunch of other catastrophes, might have handled this whole Dunstan situation wrong?

This is your narrative not mine. I just pointed out that isolated stats, tell an isolated story.
Im convinced Dunstan doesn't have much value as anything other than a stopper and your clutching at straws comparing him to the players you did. I've made that clear and I've seen every one of his games.
Now, you want to track back over 20 years of club history to support your point that he has been maligned by the club.
Its quite simple Dud. No one wants to give him the shot you suggest St.Kilda unwisely restricted him from getting. Except you.
He had cracks at it several times over his first 100 games. Injury, attitude, lack of opportunity, he really is good but only The Dud can see it, they are just more narratives.
He is gone and he is at a more successful club, who by the way, have got one year right, in the same 20 plus years and spent a decade raking in high draft picks to get there but he is no better off than he was and unless they are decimated by injury, he won't get the opportunity to change anything. I guarantee you he is on less money.
You biting on your own hook now Dud.