Lyon Pulls out

[Teflon]

Lyon had the best team in it in 2009

Lost

Lyon can’t kick their goals
I’ve heard you say the coa h is overrated
Now those losses are all because of Lyon?
You just make it up as you go...

[Teflon]

What’s odd is that people like Teflon keep telling us that a few champion players reckon Lyon is a good coach?

What did you expect them to say…that he’s shyte? You’re a joke mate

It’s like when Roo retired and people were saying get him back to the St Kilda Football club. What did they think…that Roo will somehow help us achieve the ultimate success

What’s Roo’s speciality? List management? Administration? Or Development? Or is he an authority on coaching?

Now this is getting more desperate honestly just listen to yourself
You’re suggesting Nick Riewoldt (and many other players don’t have their own mind and are trying to please others??) seriously just stop with rubbish.
Lyon was a good coach
Didn’t get it done in the day like many coaches before him - the guy could still coa h
Get over your stupid hatred and apply some sense and stop sprouting rubbish that the players were brainwashed and know nothing
Utter rot.

[Scollop]

Careful. You’re softening your tone

First he was a super coach …and he was a great match day coach…to now “Lyon was a good coach”

Next thing you know you’ll be thinking he was bog average and he should have done better

[SaintPav]

Lyon was a very good coach in my opinion. Had his weaknesses which I won't go over as it's been done to death but this one stat still leaves me amazed:

We lost 3 games for the entire 2009 season by the cumulative total of just 19 points.

Amazing.

[samoht]

Lyon was a very good coach in my opinion. Had his weaknesses which I won't go over as it's been done to death but this one stat still leaves me amazed:

We lost 3 games for the entire 2009 season by the cumulative total of just 19 points.

Amazing.

Taking a team to a GF one year and to a 0-10 start the following year ... that is equally amazing.
Depends how we slice it and dice it.

[saynta]

Lyon was a very good coach in my opinion. Had his weaknesses which I won't go over as it's been done to death but this one stat still leaves me amazed:

We lost 3 games for the entire 2009 season by the cumulative total of just 19 points.

Amazing.

Yeah, and that includes a 6 pointer that hit the post and a goal kicked after the siren with no one on the mark with the player overstepping by metres as no saints player gave a f***.

[B.M]

You’re right Teflon, I do believe the coach is overrated

But you don’t

So I’m just pointing out, that if you think he was so awesome - that he lost

For two reasons

[takeaway]

Lyon had the best team in it in 2009

Lost

You walk into a casino with a full wallet (a champion list that had been built by others and gifted to you)…

And you lose a couple of big hands (but hey…you were pretty good and got damn close …TWICE)

You keep trying and you spend every last cent and then borrow a bit and blow that as well (but that’s ok according to some because you at least gave it your best shot)

He moved on from St Kilda and his legacy was that we got fleeced and we had an empty wallet.

Teflon calls that success. Teflon thinks that Lyon is our most successful coach in 40 years

I know he’s not alone. There are plenty of people who measure success as just purely the win loss ratio during Lyon’s tenure or the fact that we made Grand Finals.

They will ignore the fact that we did not build for sustained success. They forget the mistakes and they ignore the lost opportunity and they certainly also ignore how far it set us back…

Sorry, I forgot that Lyon also had the best winning streak of any St Kilda coach ever in our history. I’ll try not to disrespect that success from now on

Naive post. What about Alan Jeans? Did he build for sustained success, or try to build a team to win a flag? 3 Grand finals in 16 years, one win (by a point), is that sustained success? When he left was the team set for sustained success? No, we spent decades in the wilderness.

What are your views on sustained success, and how is it achieved in the modern game with all the equalisation rules? Hawks threepeat? No, they had virtually the same core group. Down the ladder now. Brisbane? No, same core group, and then dropped down the ladder, now back up again after a long wait. A threepeat is probably the ultimate achievement nowadays.

That is the modern game, clubs set up for a tilt at the flag, (in the window) and then drop off until they can build up again. Geelong has managed to play finals most years, topping up with experienced players, but no flag since 2011. Is that sustained success?

Be interested in your blueprint for your version of sustained success. Remember, it not the 1960's.

[Scollop]

Lyon had the best team in it in 2009

Lost

You walk into a casino with a full wallet (a champion list that had been built by others and gifted to you)…

And you lose a couple of big hands (but hey…you were pretty good and got damn close …TWICE)

You keep trying and you spend every last cent and then borrow a bit and blow that as well (but that’s ok according to some because you at least gave it your best shot)

He moved on from St Kilda and his legacy was that we got fleeced and we had an empty wallet.

Teflon calls that success. Teflon thinks that Lyon is our most successful coach in 40 years

I know he’s not alone. There are plenty of people who measure success as just purely the win loss ratio during Lyon’s tenure or the fact that we made Grand Finals.

They will ignore the fact that we did not build for sustained success. They forget the mistakes and they ignore the lost opportunity and they certainly also ignore how far it set us back…

Sorry, I forgot that Lyon also had the best winning streak of any St Kilda coach ever in our history. I’ll try not to disrespect that success from now on

Naive post. What about Alan Jeans? Did he build for sustained success, or try to build a team to win a flag? 3 Grand finals in 16 years, one win (by a point), is that sustained success? When he left was the team set for sustained success? No, we spent decades in the wilderness.

What are your views on sustained success, and how is it achieved in the modern game with all the equalisation rules? Hawks threepeat? No, they had virtually the same core group. Down the ladder now. Brisbane? No, same core group, and then dropped down the ladder, now back up again after a long wait. A threepeat is probably the ultimate achievement nowadays.

That is the modern game, clubs set up for a tilt at the flag, (in the window) and then drop off until they can build up again. Geelong has managed to play finals most years, topping up with experienced players, but no flag since 2011. Is that sustained success?

Be interested in your blueprint for your version of sustained success. Remember, it not the 1960's.

Strange. You are comparing Brisbane and Geelong to us. Sorry, they won flags. They had a right to top up but it doesn’t mean it was the right strategy. Maybe Geelong could have, maybe would have won another flag with a different strategy and playing more of their youth. They were drunk on the success and perhaps because their demographic was different to ours they just gambled with top ups.

I think our team in 2009/2010 had a lower average age. Both Geelong and Brisbane built a core group from the ground up. It was done with drafting a fantastic bunch of kids and they all came through together and they all matured and improved and became a great team That was mainly the formula for success and that was ALSO the formula that got the St Kilda team into a position to challenge.

Having one eye on the future and sustained success should be the norm imo, and a structured development program with the right staff ( welcome D Carroll) and a plan to invest in youth and retain your draft picks instead of getting them poached, would be part of the blueprint I would have thought. Let’s ensure it’s our usual business practice going forward rather than an experiment

Playing and planning to win one is not mutually exclusive to playing talented youth. Collingwood played Sidebottom at 19 years of age in the Grand Final and they had other youngsters in their team like Blair instead of Medhurst and Tarkyn Lockier. Jake Bowey was playing in just his seventh game of AFL last night

Lyon was not an innovator. He was a follower. You talk about the ‘modern game’. Didn’t he realise that the modern game had 36 players running from one end to another and midfielders that were running marathons every week? Didn’t he attend any meetings where the coaches talked about a mid season bye? Didn’t he listen to any of the players or realise that they were not machines?

He didn’t see that the biggest changes in the game of AFL meant that the players had to be managed differently to the way they were in the 80’s and 90’s. He didn’t want to upset his stars and FORCE them to miss a couple of match payments. He thought they were machines and he thought they wouldn’t run out of petrol. The Dogs were galant this year but they certainly weren’t as rested (mentally and physically ) as were the Dees.

I can’t speak about Jeans and that era. I was a child and I can’t assess something I haven’t studied or lived through.

You and Teflon and countless others have always made excuses for Ross Lyon. I agree that a flag would have meant you forgive some of his shortcomings but the guy stuffed up. He had a ferrari in 2019 and a great run with luck with injuries and he thrashed his team at 15-0 and 16-0 and he was scared of losing a few home and away games instead of focusing on the ONLY prize that matters.

A premiership, like the one Geelong won in 2007, or the one that the Dogs won in 2016 could have possibly meant that we could strive to be a prosperous healthy club, with national and international sponsors, with membership numbers maybe 20 or 30% better and better prospects for a wealthy footy department and also being a destination club for the best available Free Agents

Every 15-20 years the clubs who win will get a resurgence where kids become adults and the fans gained in Premiership years will buy memberships when they are financially independent - that is why Richmond has over 100K members because they won flags in the 70’s and 1980. My best mates in primary school who were mostly Tigers have been buying multiple memberships for their kids and grand kids in the last few years.

If you combine his failures and his legacy and the quality of our recruiting during his tenure (the influence he had regarding recycled recruits) and the development of youth and the loss of first and second round draft picks and the state of the football club at the end of his tenure - salary cap pressure, sponsorships etc. - then I just don’t see how any rational analysis of his coaching on a holistic level can be rated as anything but average or ordinary

[saynta]

Jeans won a premiership in 1966 but lost ones in 1965 and 1971.

We were 20 points ahead in 1971 at 3/4 time FFS.

Footy people will tell you that the saints should have won at least two more flags than they did under Jeans,

Was he a good coach? I think yes, Was he a great Coach? I don't think so, but others may disagree with me.

I promise not to get upset, despite what a certain poster thinks.

[takeaway]

Lyon had the best team in it in 2009

Lost

You walk into a casino with a full wallet (a champion list that had been built by others and gifted to you)…

And you lose a couple of big hands (but hey…you were pretty good and got damn close …TWICE)

You keep trying and you spend every last cent and then borrow a bit and blow that as well (but that’s ok according to some because you at least gave it your best shot)

He moved on from St Kilda and his legacy was that we got fleeced and we had an empty wallet.

Teflon calls that success. Teflon thinks that Lyon is our most successful coach in 40 years

I know he’s not alone. There are plenty of people who measure success as just purely the win loss ratio during Lyon’s tenure or the fact that we made Grand Finals.

They will ignore the fact that we did not build for sustained success. They forget the mistakes and they ignore the lost opportunity and they certainly also ignore how far it set us back…

Sorry, I forgot that Lyon also had the best winning streak of any St Kilda coach ever in our history. I’ll try not to disrespect that success from now on

Naive post. What about Alan Jeans? Did he build for sustained success, or try to build a team to win a flag? 3 Grand finals in 16 years, one win (by a point), is that sustained success? When he left was the team set for sustained success? No, we spent decades in the wilderness.

What are your views on sustained success, and how is it achieved in the modern game with all the equalisation rules? Hawks threepeat? No, they had virtually the same core group. Down the ladder now. Brisbane? No, same core group, and then dropped down the ladder, now back up again after a long wait. A threepeat is probably the ultimate achievement nowadays.

That is the modern game, clubs set up for a tilt at the flag, (in the window) and then drop off until they can build up again. Geelong has managed to play finals most years, topping up with experienced players, but no flag since 2011. Is that sustained success?

Be interested in your blueprint for your version of sustained success. Remember, it not the 1960's.

Strange. You are comparing Brisbane and Geelong to us. Sorry, they won flags. They had a right to top up but it doesn’t mean it was the right strategy. Maybe Geelong could have, maybe would have won another flag with a different strategy and playing more of their youth. They were drunk on the success and perhaps because their demographic was different to ours they just gambled with top ups.

I think our team in 2009/2010 had a lower average age. Both Geelong and Brisbane built a core group from the ground up. It was done with drafting a fantastic bunch of kids and they all came through together and they all matured and improved and became a great team That was mainly the formula for success and that was ALSO the formula that got the St Kilda team into a position to challenge.

Having one eye on the future and sustained success should be the norm imo, and a structured development program with the right staff ( welcome D Carroll) and a plan to invest in youth and retain your draft picks instead of getting them poached, would be part of the blueprint I would have thought. Let’s ensure it’s our usual business practice going forward rather than an experiment

Playing and planning to win one is not mutually exclusive to playing talented youth. Collingwood played Sidebottom at 19 years of age in the Grand Final and they had other youngsters in their team like Blair instead of Medhurst and Tarkyn Lockier. Jake Bowey was playing in just his seventh game of AFL last night

Lyon was not an innovator. He was a follower. You talk about the ‘modern game’. Didn’t he realise that the modern game had 36 players running from one end to another and midfielders that were running marathons every week? Didn’t he attend any meetings where the coaches talked about a mid season bye? Didn’t he listen to any of the players or realise that they were not machines?

He didn’t see that the biggest changes in the game of AFL meant that the players had to be managed differently to the way they were in the 80’s and 90’s. He didn’t want to upset his stars and FORCE them to miss a couple of match payments. He thought they were machines and he thought they wouldn’t run out of petrol. The Dogs were galant this year but they certainly weren’t as rested (mentally and physically ) as were the Dees.

I can’t speak about Jeans and that era. I was a child and I can’t assess something I haven’t studied or lived through.

You and Teflon and countless others have always made excuses for Ross Lyon. I agree that a flag would have meant you forgive some of his shortcomings but the guy stuffed up. He had a ferrari in 2019 and a great run with luck with injuries and he thrashed his team at 15-0 and 16-0 and he was scared of losing a few home and away games instead of focusing on the ONLY prize that matters.

A premiership, like the one Geelong won in 2007, or the one that the Dogs won in 2016 could have possibly meant that we could strive to be a prosperous healthy club, with national and international sponsors, with membership numbers maybe 20 or 30% better and better prospects for a wealthy footy department and also being a destination club for the best available Free Agents

Every 15-20 years the clubs who win will get a resurgence where kids become adults and the fans gained in Premiership years will buy memberships when they are financially independent - that is why Richmond has over 100K members because they won flags in the 70’s and 1980. My best mates in primary school who were mostly Tigers have been buying multiple memberships for their kids and grand kids in the last few years.

If you combine his failures and his legacy and the quality of our recruiting during his tenure (the influence he had regarding recycled recruits) and the development of youth and the loss of first and second round draft picks and the state of the football club at the end of his tenure - salary cap pressure, sponsorships etc. - then I just don’t see how any rational analysis of his coaching on a holistic level can be rated as anything but average or ordinary

Not comparing Geelong/Bris to Saints. Read the post. The rest of your post is totally irrelevant to my point, not sure what it means really. But I guess with your mindset you'll never get it.

Still awaiting your blueprint for sustained success in the current climate.

[takeaway]

Jeans won a premiership in 1966 but lost ones in 1965 and 1971.

We were 20 points ahead in 1971 at 3/4 time FFS.

Footy people will tell you that the saints should have won at least two more flags than they did under Jeans,

Was he a good coach? I think yes, Was he a great Coach? I don't think so, but others may disagree with me.

I promise not to get upset, despite what a certain poster thinks.

I think Jeans was a very good coach at Saints, probably elevated to "great" due to his success at Hawthorn. Different times then of course.

[saynta]

Jeans won a premiership in 1966 but lost ones in 1965 and 1971.

We were 20 points ahead in 1971 at 3/4 time FFS.

Footy people will tell you that the saints should have won at least two more flags than they did under Jeans,

Was he a good coach? I think yes, Was he a great Coach? I don't think so, but others may disagree with me.

I promise not to get upset, despite what a certain poster thinks.

I think Jeans was a very good coach at Saints, probably elevated to "great" due to his success at Hawthorn. Different times then of course.

I agree with you there.

[Scollop]

Mr Away

Pot kettle! Did you not read

They had a right to top up but it doesn’t mean it was the right strategy. Maybe Geelong could have, maybe would have won another flag with a different strategy and playing more of their youth. They were drunk on the success and perhaps because their demographic was different to ours they just gambled with top ups.

I think our team in 2009/2010 had a lower average age. Both Geelong and Brisbane built a core group from the ground up. It was done with drafting a fantastic bunch of kids and they all came through together and they all matured and improved and became a great team That was mainly the formula for success and that was ALSO the formula that got the St Kilda team into a position to challenge.

Having one eye on the future and sustained success should be the norm imo, and a structured development program with the right staff ( welcome D Carroll) and a plan to invest in youth and retain your draft picks instead of getting them poached, would be part of the blueprint I would have thought. Let’s ensure it’s our usual business practice going forward rather than an experiment

I mentioned Blair and Sidebottom and I mentioned Bowey from Melbourne because if a club genuinely values ALL the players in the list and is invested in ALL the players on their list then a very good coach makes sure that some of the senior players (Melksham and Nathan Jones) have to miss out BECAUSE IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE TEAM AND THE CLUB, rather than rewarding an individual for their time and their years of service, ahead of a speedier, more agaile and in some cases, more skillful youngster

Lyon did that with fluffer boy Dawson, but that was only with 1 player. He neglected the other talented youth for finals like Steven, Armo and later Tommy Lynch

Melbourne had to get the core right. They had to get their drafting and development right. The foundations for sustained success are your draft picks. Your youth. If you look at the game yesterday and look at the matchwinners everyone realises that May and Lever and Ben Brown were ok, but they weren’t the key.

Keep investing in the youth. The Dees had 8 players who were 21 or under

https://www.afl.com.au/video/682171/the ... 2630200001

[Teflon]

Careful. You’re softening your tone

First he was a super coach …and he was a great match day coach…to now “Lyon was a good coach”

Next thing you know you’ll be thinking he was bog average and he should have done better

No again *sigh* as others have denoted ad nauseum you don’t read very well
I’ve never said Lyon was a “super coach” please re post where I said he was a “super coach”??
It’s one thing not to be able to admit you’re wrong
It’s another all together to start making rubbish up
Lyon was a very good at that time one of the best
His time IMO is past
That’s no reason for Internet wannabes to start the-writing history that’s just sad cause they don’t like the guy - separate issue
Anyway, carry on with long made up rubbish full of your own psycho babble it don’t change the facts OR the minds of leaders at our club at at that time who played for him

[Teflon]

Lyon was a very good coach in my opinion. Had his weaknesses which I won't go over as it's been done to death but this one stat still leaves me amazed:

We lost 3 games for the entire 2009 season by the cumulative total of just 19 points.

Amazing.

Excellent post well said
He had flaws all coaches do
His record speaks for itself on his abilities to be able to get a team to perform at a high standard for prolonged periods
Good coaches can do that
That said I think he’s finished and the games past him by

[Teflon]

You’re right Teflon, I do believe the coach is overrated

But you don’t

So I’m just pointing out, that if you think he was so awesome - that he lost

For two reasons

But you can’t have it both ways....
Let’s just test your logic ...
you said
Lyon had the best team in 09
Yet they lost ....so that’s Lyons fault for the loss?? ...yet you then contend the coach is overrated???
Please get off the fence
Stop posting silly inane questions
And step up
IF a coach is overrated then 09 can’t be Lyons fault it’s all on the players ?????? Is that what your trying to say cause you’re just all over the shop

[Teflon]

Lyon had the best team in it in 2009

Lost

You walk into a casino with a full wallet (a champion list that had been built by others and gifted to you)…

And you lose a couple of big hands (but hey…you were pretty good and got damn close …TWICE)

You keep trying and you spend every last cent and then borrow a bit and blow that as well (but that’s ok according to some because you at least gave it your best shot)

He moved on from St Kilda and his legacy was that we got fleeced and we had an empty wallet.

Teflon calls that success. Teflon thinks that Lyon is our most successful coach in 40 years

I know he’s not alone. There are plenty of people who measure success as just purely the win loss ratio during Lyon’s tenure or the fact that we made Grand Finals.

They will ignore the fact that we did not build for sustained success. They forget the mistakes and they ignore the lost opportunity and they certainly also ignore how far it set us back…

Sorry, I forgot that Lyon also had the best winning streak of any St Kilda coach ever in our history. I’ll try not to disrespect that success from now on

Naive post. What about Alan Jeans? Did he build for sustained success, or try to build a team to win a flag? 3 Grand finals in 16 years, one win (by a point), is that sustained success? When he left was the team set for sustained success? No, we spent decades in the wilderness.

What are your views on sustained success, and how is it achieved in the modern game with all the equalisation rules? Hawks threepeat? No, they had virtually the same core group. Down the ladder now. Brisbane? No, same core group, and then dropped down the ladder, now back up again after a long wait. A threepeat is probably the ultimate achievement nowadays.

That is the modern game, clubs set up for a tilt at the flag, (in the window) and then drop off until they can build up again. Geelong has managed to play finals most years, topping up with experienced players, but no flag since 2011. Is that sustained success?

Be interested in your blueprint for your version of sustained success. Remember, it not the 1960's.

Strange. You are comparing Brisbane and Geelong to us. Sorry, they won flags. They had a right to top up but it doesn’t mean it was the right strategy. Maybe Geelong could have, maybe would have won another flag with a different strategy and playing more of their youth. They were drunk on the success and perhaps because their demographic was different to ours they just gambled with top ups.

I think our team in 2009/2010 had a lower average age. Both Geelong and Brisbane built a core group from the ground up. It was done with drafting a fantastic bunch of kids and they all came through together and they all matured and improved and became a great team That was mainly the formula for success and that was ALSO the formula that got the St Kilda team into a position to challenge.

Having one eye on the future and sustained success should be the norm imo, and a structured development program with the right staff ( welcome D Carroll) and a plan to invest in youth and retain your draft picks instead of getting them poached, would be part of the blueprint I would have thought. Let’s ensure it’s our usual business practice going forward rather than an experiment

Playing and planning to win one is not mutually exclusive to playing talented youth. Collingwood played Sidebottom at 19 years of age in the Grand Final and they had other youngsters in their team like Blair instead of Medhurst and Tarkyn Lockier. Jake Bowey was playing in just his seventh game of AFL last night

Lyon was not an innovator. He was a follower. You talk about the ‘modern game’. Didn’t he realise that the modern game had 36 players running from one end to another and midfielders that were running marathons every week? Didn’t he attend any meetings where the coaches talked about a mid season bye? Didn’t he listen to any of the players or realise that they were not machines?

He didn’t see that the biggest changes in the game of AFL meant that the players had to be managed differently to the way they were in the 80’s and 90’s. He didn’t want to upset his stars and FORCE them to miss a couple of match payments. He thought they were machines and he thought they wouldn’t run out of petrol. The Dogs were galant this year but they certainly weren’t as rested (mentally and physically ) as were the Dees.

I can’t speak about Jeans and that era. I was a child and I can’t assess something I haven’t studied or lived through.

You and Teflon and countless others have always made excuses for Ross Lyon. I agree that a flag would have meant you forgive some of his shortcomings but the guy stuffed up. He had a ferrari in 2019 and a great run with luck with injuries and he thrashed his team at 15-0 and 16-0 and he was scared of losing a few home and away games instead of focusing on the ONLY prize that matters.

A premiership, like the one Geelong won in 2007, or the one that the Dogs won in 2016 could have possibly meant that we could strive to be a prosperous healthy club, with national and international sponsors, with membership numbers maybe 20 or 30% better and better prospects for a wealthy footy department and also being a destination club for the best available Free Agents

Every 15-20 years the clubs who win will get a resurgence where kids become adults and the fans gained in Premiership years will buy memberships when they are financially independent - that is why Richmond has over 100K members because they won flags in the 70’s and 1980. My best mates in primary school who were mostly Tigers have been buying multiple memberships for their kids and grand kids in the last few years.

If you combine his failures and his legacy and the quality of our recruiting during his tenure (the influence he had regarding recycled recruits) and the development of youth and the loss of first and second round draft picks and the state of the football club at the end of his tenure - salary cap pressure, sponsorships etc. - then I just don’t see how any rational analysis of his coaching on a holistic level can be rated as anything but average or ordinary

Not comparing Geelong/Bris to Saints. Read the post. The rest of your post is totally irrelevant to my point, not sure what it means really. But I guess with your mindset you'll never get it.

Still awaiting your blueprint for sustained success in the current climate.

You’ll never get an answer Takeaway cause Mr After The Facts needs a decade or so later to assess how/where it all went wrong
He wasn’t on here whingeing at the time Lyon was “thrashing” his team at 15-0, 16-0 etc he was at home enjoying being a successful Saints fan for once like the rest of us
Now it’s all Lyons fault cause we lost a GF via a toe poke and a bounce the wrong way ....
None of it matters as facts tell you that you have to get to a GF first to win one
Grant Thomas failed miserably on all fronts there
But at least we went to the movies and corporate KPIs and “belief clouds” ....

[Scollop]

f*** me drunk…More crap, more emojis, more of….

The world according to Teflon.

If you didn’t post something on Saintsational or if it wasn’t said by Robert Walls (special comments man on Channel 10) then the ONLY reality was the one that Teflon was TOLD he should believe. And…Rooy and Paul Roos and Luke Darcy and takeaway agree with Teflon

No other thinking or reality exists or existed. It’s that simple for simple people

[Scollop]

I know this is tedious for most of us…or ….maybe a tad entertaining for a few others ( what else is there to do when you’re in lockdown and our team is not playing finals) but I think we’ve gone toe to toe for enough rounds.

I’m happy to stop replying to any more posts. As I’ve mentioned a few times before and right back to some of my very first posts here in 2011, the ultimate judge of Lyon will be history and his achievements will be rated versus the very best coaches during the era that he WAS a senior coach

[B.M]

I think we lost due to not taking our chances when we had them - we kept Geelong in the game - reason 1

Luke Ball - reason 2

And I think the non selection of Armitage due to lack of trust in youth was telling

I think Lyon coached well in 2009 he devised a game style that worked well
He also had about 8 All Australians in his team

But ultimately no premiership

So he is not a successful coach

[Josh Battle]

Careful. You’re softening your tone

First he was a super coach …and he was a great match day coach…to now “Lyon was a good coach”

Next thing you know you’ll be thinking he was bog average and he should have done better

No again *sigh* as others have denoted ad nauseum you don’t read very well
I’ve never said Lyon was a “super coach” please re post where I said he was a “super coach”??
It’s one thing not to be able to admit you’re wrong
It’s another all together to start making rubbish up

Careful Pinocchio. You’re nose will grow

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 2#p1844752

[Teflon]

Careful. You’re softening your tone

First he was a super coach …and he was a great match day coach…to now “Lyon was a good coach”

Next thing you know you’ll be thinking he was bog average and he should have done better

No again *sigh* as others have denoted ad nauseum you don’t read very well
I’ve never said Lyon was a “super coach” please re post where I said he was a “super coach”??
It’s one thing not to be able to admit you’re wrong
It’s another all together to start making rubbish up

Careful Pinocchio. You’re nose will grow

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 2#p1844752

“At that time” ...You left that bit out Josh - you’d get a gig with Putin’s media with type of censorship

Can I just ba k that statement up with some facts - name the AFLs Coach of the Year in 2009 DESPITE losing the GF Josh?????

They don’t hand that out if you’re Shyte....

So yeah 2009 Lyon WAS a super coach backed up again by the facts.

Is he an all time great super coach? - no because he didn’t manage a flag.

Do try and keep up Josh...

[Teflon]

I think we lost due to not taking our chances when we had them - we kept Geelong in the game - reason 1

Luke Ball - reason 2

And I think the non selection of Armitage due to lack of trust in youth was telling

I think Lyon coached well in 2009 he devised a game style that worked well
He also had about 8 All Australians in his team

But ultimately no premiership

So he is not a successful coach

I’d agree with most of that it’s always a combination
Speculating on what selection of players might’ve done is guess territory really ...I’d have preferred he played Hudgton but anyway
I agree Lyon coached super well in 09 - AFL Coach of the year for a reason and he (whether some like it or not) took a defensive game style to new levels and it worked
For the record - 5 Saints players in 2009 were in the AA team
3 in 2004 under Grant Thomas (and he had Riewoldt and Harvey in his side who were AA in 2003, 04 respectively)

[Josh Battle]

Careful. You’re softening your tone

First he was a super coach …and he was a great match day coach…to now “Lyon was a good coach”

Next thing you know you’ll be thinking he was bog average and he should have done better

No again *sigh* as others have denoted ad nauseum you don’t read very well
I’ve never said Lyon was a “super coach” please re post where I said he was a “super coach”??
It’s one thing not to be able to admit you’re wrong
It’s another all together to start making rubbish up

Careful Pinocchio. You’re nose will grow

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 2#p1844752

“At that time” ...You left that bit out Josh - you’d get a gig with Putin’s media with type of censorship

Can I just ba k that statement up with some facts - name the AFLs Coach of the Year in 2009 DESPITE losing the GF Josh?????

They don’t hand that out if you’re Shyte....

So yeah 2009 Lyon WAS a super coach backed up again by the facts.

Is he an all time great super coach? - no because he didn’t manage a flag.

Do try and keep up Josh...

You carrrrrn’t ….backtrack…..you caaaarn’t. Whether it’s in the context of he was a super coach for a millisecond or a minute or a year or the coach of the decade or as you put ‘our most successful coach’ in the last 40 years, it’s been pointed out to as you requested …

I’ve never said Lyon was a “super coach” please re post where I said he was a “super coach”??

You denied saying it….You said you NEVER called him a super coach!!

You Carrrrrn’t Say….on the one hand he was a ‘super coach at the time’ and then in another sentence say You Never used the word super

Do you like my emphasis on ‘Carrrrn’t’?

You quoted and agreed to another poster who called him outstanding. You wanted me to to point where you called Lyon a super coach

Sorry….If you can’t admit you said it You have lost credibility …again

I have a feeling there’s some emojis coming up in your reply. Don’t bother. I’m not going to read it