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This. Read it and weep. https://www.afl.com.au/news/676614/sain ... estructure
Wow. Absolutely gobsmacked. FFS - we’re only now just getting ‘round to prioritising development.
I feel sick after reading that. How goddamn amateur hour we are at Moorabbin. And we wonder why the likes of Battle, Coffield, Billings, Dunstan etc just stagnate and become ordinary versions of themselves.
Compare that to Sydney and their academy or, Melbourne getting Chocko in to teach their players how to kick properly. Fu#k. Get in the bin St Kilda - you’ve been taking our money under the false pretence of running a professional sporting organisation.
Wow. Absolutely gobsmacked. FFS - we’re only now just getting ‘round to prioritising development.
I feel sick after reading that. How goddamn amateur hour we are at Moorabbin. And we wonder why the likes of Battle, Coffield, Billings, Dunstan etc just stagnate and become ordinary versions of themselves.
Compare that to Sydney and their academy or, Melbourne getting Chocko in to teach their players how to kick properly. Fu#k. Get in the bin St Kilda - you’ve been taking our money under the false pretence of running a professional sporting organisation.
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20 years behind best clubs in some areas
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Was t the “Why not us” something Luke Beveridge used at Dogs in 2016????? I sorta hope we are thinking a bit more laterally than ripping off other teams coaching slogans ??
Not surprised we are just starting to prioritise development we’ve clearly been shyte at it for years....how many players have we had come through just stall????
It’s my biggest worry next year for Clarke , Coffield etc. ....can we actually develop them so they take the next step to A grade or elite???????
If none of the players in that age really step up we will have a massive list hole and be years off it
Not surprised we are just starting to prioritise development we’ve clearly been shyte at it for years....how many players have we had come through just stall????
It’s my biggest worry next year for Clarke , Coffield etc. ....can we actually develop them so they take the next step to A grade or elite???????
If none of the players in that age really step up we will have a massive list hole and be years off it
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Is the article saying they are bringing in a development coach and another assistant and changing job roles for Ben McGlynn and or Jake Batchelor ?
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
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First thing we should do, seeing as next season will probably be disrupted again with intermittent and possibly prolonged lockdowns , is extricate ourselves from the alignment with Sandringham.
It is absolutely not bearing fruit and the best season we had for a decade the VFL was in recess.
This is absolutely not a high achieving development program.
It is absolutely not bearing fruit and the best season we had for a decade the VFL was in recess.
This is absolutely not a high achieving development program.
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I think people are reading too much into this fluff piece about a change in structure.
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It's an issue effected by COVID hence the obvious need to make adjustments to meet a unique situation. I'm guessing most clubs are doing the same as it has been very challenging to do any type of development work during COVID and possibly will not only remain that way for a couple more years but the disruption due to COVID could have a lasting effect on development long after the Pandemic is over meaning some careers are going to be cut short and some career may never launch or reach full potential.
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Typical over reaction to a story that says nothing about the players behind under development. You all sound like a pack of f****** Donald Trumps. Pathetic!kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 9:49am I think people are reading too much into this fluff piece about a change in structure.
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no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
Banger would be a great development coach.
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Like who, Rhys Stanley??The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:06am no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
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That's a reasonable prognosis, the last 2 seasons have certainly been significantly effected by the virus and all the over the top lockdown restrictions. However I have long believed that St Kilda's development programmes under Alan Richardson before the pandemic were very poor with many high draft picks taking years to develop the basic skills and play consistently good football, unlike the top clubs.Vortex wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 10:26am It's an issue effected by COVID hence the obvious need to make adjustments to meet a unique situation. I'm guessing most clubs are doing the same as it has been very challenging to do any type of development work during COVID and possibly will not only remain that way for a couple more years but the disruption due to COVID could have a lasting effect on development long after the Pandemic is over meaning some careers are going to be cut short and some career may never launch or reach full potential.
Making gross misjudgements in recruiting has not helped either, viz David Armitage at pick 9 ahead of Jack Riewoldt at 13 in 2008, Jack Billings (3) v Bontempelli (4) in 2013, Paddy McCartin (1) v Christian Petracca (2) in 2014 to mention a few - the strength of character of all 3 champions would have made such a difference to the culture of the team.
Looking at the current list, there are not too many standouts in the list of senior players that we can say have the elite level of skills and leadership attributes to set high standards as an example for the young blokes to follow. This of course was the main reason the club brought in Dan Hannebery and Bradley Hill but both for different reasons have not contributed much at all in this regard.
Better late than never now that the coach has picked the scab off the festering wound that has been so malignant in the team - and for that we have to be thankful!
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Yes,
Stanley better at Geelong than StK
Newnes better at Carlton than his last two years at stk
Cripps WCE
Lynch Adelaide
Although that’s going back a while
Not sure about Acres? Don’t watch Freo.
Who else has gone elsewhere???
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Stanley better at Geelong than StK
Newnes better at Carlton than his last two years at stk
Cripps WCE
Lynch Adelaide
Although that’s going back a while
Not sure about Acres? Don’t watch Freo.
Who else has gone elsewhere???
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hmmmBanger would be a great development coach.
i'm finding myself thinking he could be a good fit
in our clubhouse
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
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Geez Stanley in a stronger team, but still literally a pussy. Marshall better than him any day of the week.
Newnes still s***. Got dropped a few times and played sub.
Cripps down hill skier playing at a stronger club.
Lynch didn't get a go because of Lyon.
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Not having that.
Billings was a clear top 3 choice in that draft. The Bont went way earlier than the experts predicted. In hindsight, that was an inspired, risky pick from the Dogs not a poor selection choice by us.
We did the right thing in taking Billings on the evidence we had at the time.
Hindsight drafting is the easiest game in town.
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Agreed.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 12:30pmNot having that.
Billings was a clear top 3 choice in that draft. The Bont went way earlier than the experts predicted. In hindsight, that was an inspired, risky pick from the Dogs not a poor selection choice by us.
We did the right thing in taking Billings on the evidence we had at the time.
Hindsight drafting is the easiest game in town.
McCartin over Trac was a mistake but Billings was always top 3 rated and if we had passed on him people would have been stunned.
Can't really blame selectors for that. Dogs just got lucky.
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Has the sun set on Paddy McCartins footy career. I think not.
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Now THAT is a role I see Harvey excelling in .,,mentally one of the toughest there was supremely high standards ...what you want developing players to learn..,The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:06am no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
Interesting that Lyon wanted Harvey on his coaching panel if he went Blues...
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I don't think most clubs are in that situation at all. But we certainly are as it turns out. Direct comparison is Melbourne and Mark Williams (https://www.melbournefc.com.au/teams/af ... k-williams). They hire him in December 2020 with the explicit instruction to tidy up their kicking skills - in particular, Oliver and Langdon.Vortex wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 10:26am It's an issue effected by COVID hence the obvious need to make adjustments to meet a unique situation. I'm guessing most clubs are doing the same as it has been very challenging to do any type of development work during COVID and possibly will not only remain that way for a couple more years but the disruption due to COVID could have a lasting effect on development long after the Pandemic is over meaning some careers are going to be cut short and some career may never launch or reach full potential.
It absolutely astounds me that we have a guy - one guy!!! - PART TIME - who's been responsible for development of the players we recruit and draft. Jesus H Christ. I've long thought that the players we draft who turn out pretty good footballers almost do it in spite of their environment. And here we are.
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I'd be interested to know how the other clubs are developing players because you'd think due to the feeder comps being shut down for most of the past 2 years that all clubs are in similar situations.Saintmatt wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 3:01pmI don't think most clubs are in that situation at all. But we certainly are as it turns out. Direct comparison is Melbourne and Mark Williams (https://www.melbournefc.com.au/teams/af ... k-williams). They hire him in December 2020 with the explicit instruction to tidy up their kicking skills - in particular, Oliver and Langdon.Vortex wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 10:26am It's an issue effected by COVID hence the obvious need to make adjustments to meet a unique situation. I'm guessing most clubs are doing the same as it has been very challenging to do any type of development work during COVID and possibly will not only remain that way for a couple more years but the disruption due to COVID could have a lasting effect on development long after the Pandemic is over meaning some careers are going to be cut short and some career may never launch or reach full potential.
It absolutely astounds me that we have a guy - one guy!!! - PART TIME - who's been responsible for development of the players we recruit and draft. Jesus H Christ. I've long thought that the players we draft who turn out pretty good footballers almost do it in spite of their environment. And here we are.
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McEvoy comes to mind. Bruce seems to be improving and you are on the money with Stanley, much better than when he was with us, Hickey goes ok too.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:51amLike who, Rhys Stanley??The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:06am no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
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no doubt, if any player was to apply themselves even half as much as Banger did he would be elite.Teflon wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 1:43pmNow THAT is a role I see Harvey excelling in .,,mentally one of the toughest there was supremely high standards ...what you want developing players to learn..,The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:06am no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
Interesting that Lyon wanted Harvey on his coaching panel if he went Blues...
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What's the saying ....... big guys take time ...... they were always going to peak development wise later than othersThe Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 4:12pmMcEvoy comes to mind. Bruce seems to be improving and you are on the money with Stanley, much better than when he was with us, Hickey goes ok too.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:51amLike who, Rhys Stanley??The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:06am no surprise here..you only have to look at players we have given to other clubs and watch their rapid improvement.
Banger would be a great development coach.
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