Which it does. Having umpired over 300 games there was nothing more certain that we would see copy cat behaviour in the junior leagues after TV showcasing. And that was years ago when there was far less media attention on such matters. His almost complete lack of remorse was the most galling thing - almost as if the umpire shouldn't have got in the way! The more I watched the video, the more I realised that he did it deliberately.
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It literally took one week until the kids started appealing for deliberately rushed points and deliberate Out of Boundsperfectionist wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:04pmWhich it does. Having umpired over 300 games there was nothing more certain that we would see copy cat behaviour in the junior leagues after TV showcasing. And that was years ago when there was far less media attention on such matters. His almost complete lack of remorse was the most galling thing - almost as if the umpire shouldn't have got in the way! The more I watched the video, the more I realised that he did it deliberately.
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Interesting (or not) that the ones who complain about the quality of umpires the most are also the ones that support the verbal and physical abuse of umpires by supporters and players.
Because that helps attract more quality people to the job…![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Because that helps attract more quality people to the job…
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That is an extremely offensive ,and for me, a totally insulting post.
Typical of you though.
The maggot originally didn't think that Toby's contact was anything but accidental.
And not warranting of a report. Appears someone changed his mind and the pile on from the press was outrageous.
If someone assaulted an umpire I would be in the line complaining.
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That's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Not thinking, or just too ignorant and arrogant to care what he does.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Correct.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Nah, I know the family, definitely not either of those. Oh, in my opinion, of course.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:49pmNot thinking, or just too ignorant and arrogant to care what he does.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Oh, he comes from a good family. He'll be right then.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:53pmNah, I know the family, definitely not either of those. Oh, in my opinion, of course.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:49pmNot thinking, or just too ignorant and arrogant to care what he does.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Definitely not saying that, simply know their family is not arrogant or that stupid.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:57pmOh, he comes from a good family. He'll be right then.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:53pmNah, I know the family, definitely not either of those. Oh, in my opinion, of course.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:49pmNot thinking, or just too ignorant and arrogant to care what he does.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
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Can't it be both? Just looking at it for me it seems quite obvious it's deliberate. He walks into him the same way Richard Ashcroft does in that Verve film clip.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Lucky to get off with three IMO and that's the type of thing that should definitely be dealt with harshly.
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roskilde, the load of crap I disagreed with was in relation to "the ones who complain about the quality of umpires the most are also the ones..."roskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 8:08pmCan't it be both? Just looking at it for me it seems quite obvious it's deliberate. He walks into him the same way Richard Ashcroft does in that Verve film clip.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Lucky to get off with three IMO and that's the type of thing that should definitely be dealt with harshly.
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As usual, thanks for proving me right again Sayntasaynta wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:42pmThat is an extremely offensive ,and for me, a totally insulting post.
Typical of you though.
The maggot originally didn't think that Toby's contact was anything but accidental.
And not warranting of a report. Appears someone changed his mind and the pile on from the press was outrageous.
If someone assaulted an umpire I would be in the line complaining.![]()
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Got you. I think I lost the thread of the convo.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 9:35pmroskilde, the load of crap I disagreed with was in relation to "the ones who complain about the quality of umpires the most are also the ones..."roskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 8:08pmCan't it be both? Just looking at it for me it seems quite obvious it's deliberate. He walks into him the same way Richard Ashcroft does in that Verve film clip.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Lucky to get off with three IMO and that's the type of thing that should definitely be dealt with harshly.
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Thank god roskilde because I had no idea about Richard Ashcroft & Ververoskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:28pmGot you. I think I lost the thread of the convo.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 9:35pmroskilde, the load of crap I disagreed with was in relation to "the ones who complain about the quality of umpires the most are also the ones..."roskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 8:08pmCan't it be both? Just looking at it for me it seems quite obvious it's deliberate. He walks into him the same way Richard Ashcroft does in that Verve film clip.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Lucky to get off with three IMO and that's the type of thing that should definitely be dealt with harshly.
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I have been on this Earth for a while and managed to never run in to someone the way Toby did to the ump. Especially someone I was talking to and looking at.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Are we seriously going to pretend he didn’t mean it?
You don’t touch an umpire, that’s one of the first rules any player at any level learns.
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Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:33pmThank god roskilde because I had no idea about Richard Ashcroft & Ververoskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:28pmGot you. I think I lost the thread of the convo.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 9:35pmroskilde, the load of crap I disagreed with was in relation to "the ones who complain about the quality of umpires the most are also the ones..."roskilde wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 8:08pmCan't it be both? Just looking at it for me it seems quite obvious it's deliberate. He walks into him the same way Richard Ashcroft does in that Verve film clip.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Lucky to get off with three IMO and that's the type of thing that should definitely be dealt with harshly.![]()
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Curiosity has me asking what the hell was the umpire doing in the middle of players as they walked to their huddle? Why wasn't he walking to or at his umpire huddle?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:34pmI have been on this Earth for a while and managed to never run in to someone the way Toby did to the ump. Especially someone I was talking to and looking at.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Are we seriously going to pretend he didn’t mean it?
You don’t touch an umpire, that’s one of the first rules any player at any level learns.
Yes, in my own fog I've walked into / through people as I've headed to the destination I needed to be at.
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Williams got 9 weeks for lesser contact (which the umpire didn’t report at the time either) so I would say Toby would be considering himself lucky right now.
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From the short clip it seems the ump is standing still the whole time talking with Toby and the GWS players come towards him.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:46pmCuriosity has me asking what the hell was the umpire doing in the middle of players as they walked to their huddle? Why wasn't he walking to or at his umpire huddle?The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:34pmI have been on this Earth for a while and managed to never run in to someone the way Toby did to the ump. Especially someone I was talking to and looking at.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 7:46pmThat's a load of crap. An extremely cheap shot and a very poor defence of those doing a hard job. Not even close.
What Greene did was not deliberate (intent), it was simply the act of someone who did not think.
Are we seriously going to pretend he didn’t mean it?
You don’t touch an umpire, that’s one of the first rules any player at any level learns.
Yes, in my own fog I've walked into / through people as I've headed to the destination I needed to be at.
In any case, it’s irrelevant. If they want to change the rules in regards to player/umpire communication then that’s another issue.
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Correct TD, in my opinion that is the issue and is what should be changed.
Too many grey areas, this is one, the communication & contact between players & umpires should be black & white.
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Too many grey areas, this is one, the communication & contact between players & umpires should be black & white.
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He walked through someone he could clearly see and he also thought to chat as he did it.
It was not demonstrative, but it appeared to be threatening, intimidating and disrespectful. He should have stopped and apologised, he didn't.
That someone was an umpire. Someone he cannot do that to without severe penalty. 3 weeks isn't severe.
I'm not sure what he was thinking but I dont care. If he bumped me like that and didn't apologise, I'd knock him on his arse.
It was not demonstrative, but it appeared to be threatening, intimidating and disrespectful. He should have stopped and apologised, he didn't.
That someone was an umpire. Someone he cannot do that to without severe penalty. 3 weeks isn't severe.
I'm not sure what he was thinking but I dont care. If he bumped me like that and didn't apologise, I'd knock him on his arse.
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Again CQ, I'm not arguing the look, that's terrible. You are saying he should be hung on "appearance"? It's that aspect I cannot be convinced of. The "victim" had no issue so why should we feel the need to further hang him?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 11:41pm He walked through someone he could clearly see and he also thought to chat as he did it.
It was not demonstrative, but it appeared to be threatening, intimidating and disrespectful. He should have stopped and apologised, he didn't.
That someone was an umpire. Someone he cannot do that to without severe penalty. 3 weeks isn't severe.
I'm not sure what he was thinking but I dont care. If he bumped me like that and didn't apologise, I'd knock him on his arse.
It should never have happened. He should never have believed he could talk to an umpire. The umpire should never engage in dialogue with a player, full stop & vice versa.
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The umpires are in control of the field till the end of the game. They can talk to or disclipline whoever they like, its live action. If they don't report or take action during a game, well, we have the MRO.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 11:53pmAgain CQ, I'm not arguing the look, that's terrible. You are saying he should be hung on "appearance"? It's that aspect I cannot be convinced of. The "victim" had no issue so why should we feel the need to further hang him?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 02 Sep 2021 11:41pm He walked through someone he could clearly see and he also thought to chat as he did it.
It was not demonstrative, but it appeared to be threatening, intimidating and disrespectful. He should have stopped and apologised, he didn't.
That someone was an umpire. Someone he cannot do that to without severe penalty. 3 weeks isn't severe.
I'm not sure what he was thinking but I dont care. If he bumped me like that and didn't apologise, I'd knock him on his arse.
It should never have happened. He should never have believed he could talk to an umpire. The umpire should never engage in dialogue with a player, full stop & vice versa.
How me or the umpire feels about what happened, personally, doesn't matter. Im not easily intimidated, maybe the ump isn't easier.
A breach of the rules happened, a potentially very serious breach. One that could most certainly taint the public image of the AFL and the safety of its employees and the success of all its affiliates. .
Throw the book at him.
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They did - but unfortunately they could only find the abridged version.
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