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Re: Petracca
Petracca's achievements as a junior included winning the Larke Medal, the most valuable player at state level, and selection in the All-Australian and TAC Cup Team of the Year sides.
McCartin, as a key forward, wasn't kicking more goals (than Petracca), and McCartin was also a diabetic.
Why take risks with your no. 1 pick?
Freddy the blind pig would have recruited Petracca way ahead of McCartin. There was a big "pick me" neon sign flashing over Petracca that Eshaug couldn't see or completely ignored.
Elshaug had to make the case for McCartin, manufacture it ... he knew better than anyone else.
Splitting packs, and bringing the ball to ground, was more important to Elshaug than kicking goals.
Worst recruiting decision of all time.
McCartin, as a key forward, wasn't kicking more goals (than Petracca), and McCartin was also a diabetic.
Why take risks with your no. 1 pick?
Freddy the blind pig would have recruited Petracca way ahead of McCartin. There was a big "pick me" neon sign flashing over Petracca that Eshaug couldn't see or completely ignored.
Elshaug had to make the case for McCartin, manufacture it ... he knew better than anyone else.
Splitting packs, and bringing the ball to ground, was more important to Elshaug than kicking goals.
Worst recruiting decision of all time.
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Re: Petracca
McCartin was full forward in the same AA team.samoht wrote: ↑Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:04pm Petracca's achievements as a junior included winning the Larke Medal, the most valuable player at state level, and selection in the All-Australian and TAC Cup Team of the Year sides.
McCartin, as a key forward, wasn't kicking more goals (than Petracca), and McCartin was also a diabetic.
Why take risks with your no. 1 pick?
Freddy the blind pig would have recruited Petracca way ahead of McCartin. There was a big "pick me" neon sign flashing over Petracca that Eshaug couldn't see or completely ignored.
Elshaug had to make the case for McCartin, manufacture it ... he knew better than anyone else.
Splitting packs was more important to Elshaug than kicking goals.
Worst recruiting decision of all time.
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Re: Petracca
Petracca was the most valuable player at state level ...
How many goals did McCartin kick and what was his average as the key forward, and how did this compare with Petracca's goal kicking?
Petracca had many more strings to his bow and he was the stand out player. That's enough for me.
I wouldn't recruit a full forward as the no. 1 draft pick because he can split packs or bring the ball to the ground.
How many goals did McCartin kick and what was his average as the key forward, and how did this compare with Petracca's goal kicking?
Petracca had many more strings to his bow and he was the stand out player. That's enough for me.
I wouldn't recruit a full forward as the no. 1 draft pick because he can split packs or bring the ball to the ground.
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Re: Petracca
McCartin kicked 20 goals in 5 games - 4 goal average - in TAC Cup 2014 year
Petracca kicked 18 in 7 games - 2.5 average
Paddy also kicked 5 for Vic Country as a bottom ager against WA
As I remember clubs were split between Paddy & Petracca as to who was worthy as no 1 pick
Some of course will argue it was clear cut .... but it wasnt as both were standouts pre-draft
Petracca kicked 18 in 7 games - 2.5 average
Paddy also kicked 5 for Vic Country as a bottom ager against WA
As I remember clubs were split between Paddy & Petracca as to who was worthy as no 1 pick
Some of course will argue it was clear cut .... but it wasnt as both were standouts pre-draft
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Re: Petracca
Franklin?samoht wrote: ↑Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:28pm Petracca was the most valuable player at state level ...
How many goals did McCartin kick and what was his average as the key forward, and how did this compare with Petracca's goal kicking?
Petracca had many more strings to his bow and he was the stand out player. That's enough for me.
I wouldn't recruit a full forward as the no. 1 draft pick because he can split packs or bring the ball to the ground.
Tigers didnt pick him and were trolled forever ..... well at least up until 2017
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Re: Petracca
You could argue that a 2.5 goal average from Petracca would equate to a 7 goal average from a full forward, seeing that Petracca was a playmaker and would do a lot more than just kick goals.
Petracca would be kicking from further out you'd imagine too ... he played as a midfielder in 2014, in the under 18 competition.
Petracca would be kicking from further out you'd imagine too ... he played as a midfielder in 2014, in the under 18 competition.
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Re: Petracca
Hang on so you mean Paddy wasn't some random kid they grabbed out of Kinglakes Under 17's?Devilhead wrote: ↑Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:40pm McCartin kicked 20 goals in 5 games - 4 goal average - in TAC Cup 2014 year
Petracca kicked 18 in 7 games - 2.5 average
Paddy also kicked 5 for Vic Country as a bottom ager against WA
As I remember clubs were split between Paddy & Petracca as to who was worthy as no 1 pick
Some of course will argue it was clear cut .... but it wasnt as both were standouts pre-draft
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Re: Petracca
Could also mean a midfielder sneaking forward with no direct opponent.
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Re: Petracca
Why are you trying to convince yourselves and others it was fair enough!!!
It was poor at the time
It was still poor when Petracca did his ACL
It was poor when Petracca was an inconsistent HF
It was poor when he went into the midfield and started to effect games
It is definitely poor now he’s arguably the best player in the game
BTW
It was three that were seen as top picks
Brayshaw was the blue chip pick but lower ceiling
McCartin was the KPP who could end a power forward
Petracca had X Factor and could end up anything or could be just a flashy HF
With Pick 1 you just go with the best performed player
Petracca
It was poor at the time
It was still poor when Petracca did his ACL
It was poor when Petracca was an inconsistent HF
It was poor when he went into the midfield and started to effect games
It is definitely poor now he’s arguably the best player in the game
BTW
It was three that were seen as top picks
Brayshaw was the blue chip pick but lower ceiling
McCartin was the KPP who could end a power forward
Petracca had X Factor and could end up anything or could be just a flashy HF
With Pick 1 you just go with the best performed player
Petracca
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Re: Petracca
I remember, we were all calling and hoping for Petracca at the time, and most of us were either hugely disappointed or philosophical when we didn't pick Petracca at number 1.
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Re: Petracca
Yes. Then we all put our hopes in McCartin, only to see them slowly dissolve over the next couple of years.
Story of St Kilda.
How many players have we lost to injury over the years. Too many to count actually
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Re: Petracca
Joffaboy was the main one who flip flopped
On the Petracca train until we took McCartin
He cracked it for an hour
Then tried to convince everyone it was a good decision
I think we all wanted it to end up the correct decision but the reality was that
it was a poor decision
On the Petracca train until we took McCartin
He cracked it for an hour
Then tried to convince everyone it was a good decision
I think we all wanted it to end up the correct decision but the reality was that
it was a poor decision
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Re: Petracca
This is never going to be put to bed is it.
So long ago but spoken about as if it was yesterday.
Is there a number of times the mistake can be called out that once reached will make anyone feel better or shall we just keep trying to heal the wound by peeling off the scab and rubbing salt in.
Impossible to find closure?
Petracca Good, McCartin Not Good. Idiot decision. Very costly. Ok, I've got it.
So long ago but spoken about as if it was yesterday.
Is there a number of times the mistake can be called out that once reached will make anyone feel better or shall we just keep trying to heal the wound by peeling off the scab and rubbing salt in.
Impossible to find closure?
Petracca Good, McCartin Not Good. Idiot decision. Very costly. Ok, I've got it.
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Re: Petracca
I bet Gold Coast are annoyed they didn't take Ben and Max with picks 2 and 3. In the end they may end up with neither. You win some and you lose some in football. It is clear that we stuffed it up with Petracca and probably also the Bont, but you gain nothing from ruminating over these things and self-flagellating every time these players achieve something.
I also put to you that if McCartin hadn't been a disaster would we have taken Max? Maybe not. One of the key reasons we took Max was because we had a massive key forward size hole in our forward line, and because we have Max that may mean we also end up with Ben as well. Would you rather Petracca or Max longer term (not to mention Ben King as well)?
We lost the 1997, 2009 and 2010 GFs--and we didn't take Petracca. We move on as nothing we can do now will change things and just accept we are luckier next time.
I also put to you that if McCartin hadn't been a disaster would we have taken Max? Maybe not. One of the key reasons we took Max was because we had a massive key forward size hole in our forward line, and because we have Max that may mean we also end up with Ben as well. Would you rather Petracca or Max longer term (not to mention Ben King as well)?
We lost the 1997, 2009 and 2010 GFs--and we didn't take Petracca. We move on as nothing we can do now will change things and just accept we are luckier next time.
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Re: Petracca
They took the appropriate picks at the time
They ended up with Ben at 6 anyway
I I were them I would’ve taken the twin towers though
They ended up with Ben at 6 anyway
I I were them I would’ve taken the twin towers though
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Re: Petracca
We took Max because he was the best player available
It was between him and Rozee
We got that one right
It was between him and Rozee
We got that one right
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Re: Petracca
Really seems we picked the key forward rather than best talent in Rozee. Your contradicting yourself now.
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Re: Petracca
Yes poor in hindsight after Paddy developed concussion issuesB.M wrote: ↑Tue 31 Aug 2021 7:00pm Joffaboy was the main one who flip flopped
On the Petracca train until we took McCartin
He cracked it for an hour
Then tried to convince everyone it was a good decision
I think we all wanted it to end up the correct decision but the reality was that
it was a poor decision
Who knows how would have developed if he didnt
Therein lies the conundrum
Again
From Emma Quayle's article:
"A poll of recruiters by Fairfax Media found an almost even split between those who in St Kilda's shoes would take the big-bodied, ready-to-go, can-do-it-all midfielder Petracca and those who would seize the powerful, strong-marking, genuine key forward McCartin."
Its clear now that we unfortunately made the wrong choice but I can understand why we went McCartin given big brute strong marking forwards dont grow on trees
Anyway it won't matter nowt if Melbourne dont win a Premiership and we probably still wouldnt have a Premiership with Petracca in our side anyway ...... we could be sitting last with no Max King and Petracca nursing a 3rd acl
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Re: Petracca
Time to get over it and move on to more important things.
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Re: Petracca
1991
Rob Malone (pick 12) over
Shane Crawford (pick 13)
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Re: Petracca
We took the best 'injured' key forward 'not actually' available. Phew! Double phew! Bit early still but no doubt if things go wrong, we will hear about how good Rozee was and how obvious it appeared.
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Re: Petracca
Seb Ross with pick 25 would be a successful pick yeah?!
Max King has more talent than Rozee
Why would you suggest otherwise
Max King has more talent than Rozee
Why would you suggest otherwise