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Re: Petracca
Show me a recruiting team that hasn’t gotten it wrong.
Geelong who have apparently the best in the business have drafted.
Lang, Clark, Cockatoo, Smedts all with very early picks.
Geelong who have apparently the best in the business have drafted.
Lang, Clark, Cockatoo, Smedts all with very early picks.
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Re: Petracca
With pick 1
You don’t make such a monumental f*** up
Which ends up embarrassing and costing the club a champion
Champions are hard to come by
From 6 selections in the 20013 & 2014 drafts (pick 22 or better) we drafted zero champions
That’s 6 opportunities
Every two bit draft watcher couldn’t believe what Elshaug did… it was incomprehensible and incompetent
You don’t make such a monumental f*** up
Which ends up embarrassing and costing the club a champion
Champions are hard to come by
From 6 selections in the 20013 & 2014 drafts (pick 22 or better) we drafted zero champions
That’s 6 opportunities
Every two bit draft watcher couldn’t believe what Elshaug did… it was incomprehensible and incompetent
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Re: Petracca
B.M wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 12:05am With pick 1
You don’t make such a monumental f*** up
Which ends up embarrassing and costing the club a champion
Champions are hard to come by
From 6 selections in the 20013 & 2014 drafts (pick 22 or better) we drafted zero champions
That’s 6 opportunities
Every two bit draft watcher couldn’t believe what Elshaug did… it was incomprehensible and incompetent
Watts
Josh Fraser
Headland
Boyd
Patton
Swallow
McGrath
Delidio
Plenty have
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Re: Petracca
Yeah but Paddy McCartin comes from a better family.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
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Re: Petracca
I still think if Paddy hadn’t have had the concussions he would be a excellent AFL key forward.
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Re: Petracca
I can hack not picking the best player, but you need to get it close to right
Josh Fraser - 218 games 165 goals
Jack Watts - 174 AFL games
Headland - dual premiership player
Boyd - Premiership player (who GWS got a nice trade for)
Swallow - Best and Fairest and club captain 175 games so far
McGrath - is he a bad player?? 92 games in 5 years avg 21 possessions
Brett Delidio - dual club champion, dual AA
Jon Patton - 3 knee recos still played 95 games and kicked 135 goals
And they are the WORST you can come up with?
How about
Riewoldt, Hodge, Goddard, Cooney, Murphy, Gibbs, Whitfield, Weitering, Walsh.
Some of them weren’t even the best players in their draft, but were worthy number 1 picks!!!!
Petracca would sit comfortably in that group
McCartin
Like it or not, was one of the worse draft selections in our history of the National Draft
Josh Fraser - 218 games 165 goals
Jack Watts - 174 AFL games
Headland - dual premiership player
Boyd - Premiership player (who GWS got a nice trade for)
Swallow - Best and Fairest and club captain 175 games so far
McGrath - is he a bad player?? 92 games in 5 years avg 21 possessions
Brett Delidio - dual club champion, dual AA
Jon Patton - 3 knee recos still played 95 games and kicked 135 goals
And they are the WORST you can come up with?
How about
Riewoldt, Hodge, Goddard, Cooney, Murphy, Gibbs, Whitfield, Weitering, Walsh.
Some of them weren’t even the best players in their draft, but were worthy number 1 picks!!!!
Petracca would sit comfortably in that group
McCartin
Like it or not, was one of the worse draft selections in our history of the National Draft
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Re: Petracca
The problem was that it was such an obvious decision.
When news came out that we might not be taking him, most in the industry thought it was a joke or we were playing games
When news came out that we might not be taking him, most in the industry thought it was a joke or we were playing games
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Re: Petracca
Yep.B.M wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 12:05am With pick 1
You don’t make such a monumental f*** up
Which ends up embarrassing and costing the club a champion
Champions are hard to come by
From 6 selections in the 20013 & 2014 drafts (pick 22 or better) we drafted zero champions
That’s 6 opportunities
Every two bit draft watcher couldn’t believe what Elshaug did… it was incomprehensible and incompetent
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Re: Petracca
IF Paddy didn’t have the concussions MAYBE he would have been a decent AFL player
Problem is
Petracca is a gun power midfielder- no ifs, buts or maybes!!!
Like to know what Paddy’s elite traits were?
Size 193, so not overly big for a power forward
Athleticism- slow and average agility
Endurance - poor
Marking - could take a contested grab, but dropped marks occasionally too
Kicking - good field kick, poor set shot
Game IQ - not bad for a tall
Below knees - acceptable for a tall
Body composition - heavy and struggled to manage weight.
Courage - high level
A number 1 should have at least 3 elite traits
Problem is
Petracca is a gun power midfielder- no ifs, buts or maybes!!!
Like to know what Paddy’s elite traits were?
Size 193, so not overly big for a power forward
Athleticism- slow and average agility
Endurance - poor
Marking - could take a contested grab, but dropped marks occasionally too
Kicking - good field kick, poor set shot
Game IQ - not bad for a tall
Below knees - acceptable for a tall
Body composition - heavy and struggled to manage weight.
Courage - high level
A number 1 should have at least 3 elite traits
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Re: Petracca
How about Martin Leslie, Richard Lounder, Alex McDonald, Anthony Banik, Stephen Hooper, John Hutton as examples of crap No.1 picks.
Paddy McCartin is not on his own in the crap stakes.
Paddy McCartin is not on his own in the crap stakes.
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
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Re: Petracca
True but this was not a case of just getting it wrong. No other team in the AFL would ever pick McCartin over Petracca. It was that obvious.
We had a number 1 draft pick and we stuffed it. We didn't pick the best prospect in the draft. If Melbourne go premiers they should send a special thank you to St Kilda.
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Re: Petracca
Wayne
That was 1987, 88, 89, 90, 91
Drafting has come a fair way since then… back then people were just plucking guys from leagues all over Australia
Most of the time, hardly seeing them and going by word of mouth
Drafting only really got professional and clubs got serious about recruiting young talent when the TAC cup started in 92
That was 1987, 88, 89, 90, 91
Drafting has come a fair way since then… back then people were just plucking guys from leagues all over Australia
Most of the time, hardly seeing them and going by word of mouth
Drafting only really got professional and clubs got serious about recruiting young talent when the TAC cup started in 92
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Re: Petracca
It's still the history of drafting, it may have improved but it's still an inexact science, it's why reputations are destroyed.
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Re: Petracca
Quite apart from Petracca, the Pelican/Trout years yielded no champions from a lot of low picks.
It was a slow motion car crash.
It was a slow motion car crash.
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Re: Petracca
All true but it would be hard to like Christian even in a Saints jumper wouldn't it.
Cold comfort, but he doesn't seem to ooze charisma.
That's all I have to rationalise worst draft picking of all time.
Cold comfort, but he doesn't seem to ooze charisma.
That's all I have to rationalise worst draft picking of all time.
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Re: Petracca
I love the comments that no one in the industry would have taken McCsrtin that everyone.
Every phantom draft every draft profile in that year had McCartin 1-2.
Yes in hindsight it was a bad pick as McCartin suffered from concussion but he was always either 1 or 2.
Every phantom draft every draft profile in that year had McCartin 1-2.
Yes in hindsight it was a bad pick as McCartin suffered from concussion but he was always either 1 or 2.
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Re: Petracca
B.M wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 12:34am I can hack not picking the best player, but you need to get it close to right
Josh Fraser - 218 games 165 goals
Jack Watts - 174 AFL games
Headland - dual premiership player
Boyd - Premiership player (who GWS got a nice trade for)
Swallow - Best and Fairest and club captain 175 games so far
McGrath - is he a bad player?? 92 games in 5 years avg 21 possessions
Brett Delidio - dual club champion, dual AA
Jon Patton - 3 knee recos still played 95 games and kicked 135 goals
And they are the WORST you can come up with?
How about
Riewoldt, Hodge, Goddard, Cooney, Murphy, Gibbs, Whitfield, Weitering, Walsh.
Some of them weren’t even the best players in their draft, but were worthy number 1 picks!!!!
Petracca would sit comfortably in that group
McCartin
Like it or not, was one of the worse draft selections in our history of the National Draft
All the above were still mistakes in hindsight. Fraser over Pavlich Delidio over Buddy Watts over Nic Nat Tom Scully over Dusty.
Hindsight is a fools paradise.
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Re: Petracca
Hindsight is the Billings v Bontempelli selection.CURLY wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 7:48am I love the comments that no one in the industry would have taken McCsrtin that everyone.
Every phantom draft every draft profile in that year had McCartin 1-2.
Yes in hindsight it was a bad pick as McCartin suffered from concussion but he was always either 1 or 2.
Stupidity is the McCartin v Petracca selection.
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Re: Petracca
The science is relatively exact. It is the interviews and pseudo psych assessments that are flawed, in this case, fatally & embarrassingly.
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Re: Petracca
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:21amThe science is relatively exact. It is the interviews and pseudo psych assessments that are flawed, in this case, fatally & embarrassingly.
If you take a look at guys like Wilkie Highmore and Sharman recruiters are often hindered by the flawed TAC system. TAC basically most money more opportunity more barrows being pushed.
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So are you saying our choice of McCartin was because of a flawed TAC system, excusing the (flawed) reasoning our recruiter added to the science available to him?CURLY wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:38amGhost Like wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:21amThe science is relatively exact. It is the interviews and pseudo psych assessments that are flawed, in this case, fatally & embarrassingly.
If you take a look at guys like Wilkie Highmore and Sharman recruiters are often hindered by the flawed TAC system. TAC basically most money more opportunity more barrows being pushed.
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Re: Petracca
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:44amSo are you saying our choice of McCartin was because of a flawed TAC system, excusing the (flawed) reasoning our recruiter added to the science available to him?CURLY wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:38amGhost Like wrote: ↑Sun 29 Aug 2021 8:21amThe science is relatively exact. It is the interviews and pseudo psych assessments that are flawed, in this case, fatally & embarrassingly.
If you take a look at guys like Wilkie Highmore and Sharman recruiters are often hindered by the flawed TAC system. TAC basically most money more opportunity more barrows being pushed.
The choice of McCartin was needs based nothing else. Both were rated 1 or 2 everywhere you read. We needed a key forward and that’s the path we chose. Without the concussions it’s fair to say McCartin would be a very capable AFL key forward.
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Re: Petracca
Again, a flawed choice. A Top 10 player should not be decided on a "needs" base. In this case, a panicking "needs" base. It should be on best available. Petracca was #1, clearly. Don't take my word, take the word of other AFL clubs who would have taken Petracca #1.
We also needed an elite midfielder but there's some perception these are a "dime a dozen". Just shows the Saints finances are so bad, we don't even have a dime.
Worst #1 selection this century. Thankfully we'll only have our noses rubbed in it for another decade & by bloody Melbourne supporters.
We also needed an elite midfielder but there's some perception these are a "dime a dozen". Just shows the Saints finances are so bad, we don't even have a dime.
Worst #1 selection this century. Thankfully we'll only have our noses rubbed in it for another decade & by bloody Melbourne supporters.