This is the point - do that if needed - then get to business and stop the ‘idiosyncratic behavior’ once they begin the actual activity they are participating in - in the case of the goal kicking - once they start their approach - I would actually say beforehand they should get the ball ‘right’ then commence their walk in to kick - the ball spinning should be done by the 10 second mark of the initial 15 seconds they getSainter_Dad wrote: ↑Fri 23 Jul 2021 6:50pmAnd if:B.M wrote: ↑Thu 22 Jul 2021 2:41pm Kane Williamson spins his bat whist the bowler starts running in
Boon and Smith touched each pad before facing up
Davey Warner undoes his gloves and does them up every ball
Each player has their idiosyncratic behaviours
It’s whether those behaviours (which calms them and brings them into focus) interferes with their technique.
I don’t have a putting technique and it differs every putt
That’s why I’m a s*** putter!!!
Kane Williamson spuns his bat;
Boon and Smith touched each pad;
Davey Warner undoes his gloves and does them up;
whilst the ball was coming down the pitch would you expect them to be successful?
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Spot on to a lame argument.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Fri 23 Jul 2021 6:50pmAnd if:B.M wrote: ↑Thu 22 Jul 2021 2:41pm Kane Williamson spins his bat whist the bowler starts running in
Boon and Smith touched each pad before facing up
Davey Warner undoes his gloves and does them up every ball
Each player has their idiosyncratic behaviours
It’s whether those behaviours (which calms them and brings them into focus) interferes with their technique.
I don’t have a putting technique and it differs every putt
That’s why I’m a s*** putter!!!
Kane Williamson spuns his bat;
Boon and Smith touched each pad;
Davey Warner undoes his gloves and does them up;
whilst the ball was coming down the pitch would you expect them to be successful?
You can be shown a technique and be taught that technique, it is only once it works for you can it be committed to rote learning, 10,000 repeats of the same action.
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Pretty hard to spin the bat when the ball is coming down the pitch?
You only get half a second to hit the ball?!
He spins it as they are running into bowl.
and King doesn’t spin the ball as his about to kick it, he spins it as he is walking in
Personally I wouldn’t, don’t feel the need to
But Jayden Stephenson does it, and he kicks it well… might work for some?
Is it the main problem with Kings action
No
It’s him laying back on the kick
You only get half a second to hit the ball?!
He spins it as they are running into bowl.
and King doesn’t spin the ball as his about to kick it, he spins it as he is walking in
Personally I wouldn’t, don’t feel the need to
But Jayden Stephenson does it, and he kicks it well… might work for some?
Is it the main problem with Kings action
No
It’s him laying back on the kick
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Again it has to be asked, why are you arguing this? Shite examples that had nothing to do with kicking a football. I would not be hanging my hat on Jayden Stephenson.B.M wrote: ↑Sat 24 Jul 2021 1:49am Pretty hard to spin the bat when the ball is coming down the pitch?
You only get half a second to hit the ball?!
He spins it as they are running into bowl.
and King doesn’t spin the ball as his about to kick it, he spins it as he is walking in
Personally I wouldn’t, don’t feel the need to
But Jayden Stephenson does it, and he kicks it well… might work for some?
Is it the main problem with Kings action
No
It’s him laying back on the kick
Did Plugger or Dunstall or Ablett or Quinlan or Beasley or Heatley or Hudson or Young or McKenna or Wade twirl the pill as they walked in?
None of your cricket examples were still.doing their idiosyncrasies as the bowler hit the crease. Give up that cr@p B.M.. This is the money shot.
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I would actually attest to seeing someone flip the ball with only 2 paces left before kicking it - needless to say it was not successful and I lost my tiny little mindB.M wrote: ↑Sat 24 Jul 2021 1:49am Pretty hard to spin the bat when the ball is coming down the pitch?
You only get half a second to hit the ball?!
He spins it as they are running into bowl.
and King doesn’t spin the ball as his about to kick it, he spins it as he is walking in
Personally I wouldn’t, don’t feel the need to
But Jayden Stephenson does it, and he kicks it well… might work for some?
Is it the main problem with Kings action
No
It’s him laying back on the kick
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The mechanics of his kicking action (laying back, not kicking through it)
The psychological effect of Goalkicking
Are the ACTUAL issues
I don’t think he should spin the ball, but it’s not the reason he misses
Worrying about the wrong thing,
This notion of ‘just kick like plugger’ is ridiculous
The psychological effect of Goalkicking
Are the ACTUAL issues
I don’t think he should spin the ball, but it’s not the reason he misses
Worrying about the wrong thing,
This notion of ‘just kick like plugger’ is ridiculous
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NO I don't think it is worrying about the wrong thing - and why are we talking specifically about Max King ?- its about the coaches giving the players ( all of them) a routine to kick a goal that includes things like confidence in your ability to execute and a 'cookie cutter' plan - ie something that is practiced and easily replicated when the time comes to shoot for goal - they don't need to be clearing their mind with idiosyncratic behaviour up until the point of kicking if they have a routine that makes sense and they are confident inB.M wrote: ↑Sat 24 Jul 2021 12:28pm The mechanics of his kicking action (laying back, not kicking through it)
The psychological effect of Goalkicking
Are the ACTUAL issues
I don’t think he should spin the ball, but it’s not the reason he misses
Worrying about the wrong thing,
This notion of ‘just kick like plugger’ is ridiculous
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That routine is their idiosyncratic behaviour
Sport had taught me a lot of things over the years
The most poignant would be that everyone is different and what works for one athlete doesn’t work for another.
There was an old school thinking that we warmed up as a team, we have the same methodology and do the the team thing.
These days
We look at the individual and how they perform best within the team.
They don’t all train the same, they don’t prepare for a game the same, they don’t warm up the same.
Each player is different
And the key is to get them doing what works for them
Currently King is kicking poorly
Some of the problem is mental, he’s worried about missing
Some of it is technique - he nurses the ball and doesn’t kick through it.
In golf, the slightest bit of deceleration in your swing ends in a bad result. People decelerate when they are worried about outcome. It’s why bunker shots can be difficult for some.
Sport had taught me a lot of things over the years
The most poignant would be that everyone is different and what works for one athlete doesn’t work for another.
There was an old school thinking that we warmed up as a team, we have the same methodology and do the the team thing.
These days
We look at the individual and how they perform best within the team.
They don’t all train the same, they don’t prepare for a game the same, they don’t warm up the same.
Each player is different
And the key is to get them doing what works for them
Currently King is kicking poorly
Some of the problem is mental, he’s worried about missing
Some of it is technique - he nurses the ball and doesn’t kick through it.
In golf, the slightest bit of deceleration in your swing ends in a bad result. People decelerate when they are worried about outcome. It’s why bunker shots can be difficult for some.
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He’s an average player, but I’ve always found Mason Cox a very reliable kick for goal inside 40m. He has a very simple action, obviously learnt it much later in life than most AFL players.
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Confidence is an amazing thing
When you’re thinking about goals rather than being worried about missing - it’s just allows you to relax and be natural
His first shot at Goal was from outside 50
It did 2 things
It was a no pressure shot - not expected to kick it every time
It made him kick THROUGH the ball
Therefore he accelerated through the ball and the kick had more energy - less likely to fade or mis kick
When you’re thinking about goals rather than being worried about missing - it’s just allows you to relax and be natural
His first shot at Goal was from outside 50
It did 2 things
It was a no pressure shot - not expected to kick it every time
It made him kick THROUGH the ball
Therefore he accelerated through the ball and the kick had more energy - less likely to fade or mis kick
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I couldn’t GAF if he twirled the ball on his finger Jacko style
If he stays over the footy and kicks it with some real momentum
And has BELIEF in himself!
If he stays over the footy and kicks it with some real momentum
And has BELIEF in himself!
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Not during his approach - he settled - laces between his left thumb and forefinger - right hand slightly higher - and had a fixed and steady approach to kicking.
I don't give a Royal if he does hand stands BEFORE he settles - but once he settles and begins his run up - please do not frig with the position of your hands
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It's an absolute shithole.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 24 Jul 2021 8:44pm Not much to do in Joodalup except practice your goal kicking.
Posting 20 years of holey crap!