Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 2:42pm
skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 12:59pm
Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 11:44am
skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 11:23am
Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 11:14am
SaintPav wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 10:49am
Crossy66 wrote: ↑Mon 05 Jul 2021 10:41am
SaintPav wrote: ↑Sun 04 Jul 2021 9:13pm
It if wasn’t for Ryder who was magnificent again, we would have lost.
Ross
Dunstan
Billings
Where were you?
Sorry, Jack but I’ve lost patience with you. Good luck at Essendon.
Dunstan? Wot game did you watch?
He was quiet in the final term.
4 possessions and zero tackles.
You need any more help with this?
16 players had equal or less disposals in the last than Dunstan. But somehow it's on those 3 and the rest are ok? Interesting.
Dunstan was also second for contested possessions in the last.
I always found this to be an interesting argument
Other people were just as bad doesn’t hold up for me
Whilst I agree with you that overall, the whole team was a problem in the last…
I have higher expectations of Billings and Ross than other players given age, talent + experience … and Dunstan was one whose performance dipped the most compared to players that were never in the game. Sadly he has a history of this albeit he was still good on the day and is in career best form
Different players carry different expectations. I’d have hopped these three stood taller when the team needed them to
So you have a higher expectation of Dunstan than, hill, Ryder, Marshall, membrey, king, Higgins etc to the point he is singled out? Interesting- hasn't Lukey risen from the dead!
Incidentally Ross had the same number of possessions as crouch yet no mention of crouch?
The point is that with the exception of Steele, Howard possibly Sinclair and dmac, the rest ALL fell away in the last
Billings was average all day and has barely trained all year. He's no right and it's not his fault they play him. I suspect if we had a healthier list we may not
The criticism remains valid even though it could be applied to more players. Given their total dominance of possession and ball movement… seems fair to suggest that the midfield is where we dropped off the most
I suppose it's fair to suggest anything, but would be good if it was remotely factual.
I responded to the original post by saintpav that singled out 3 players who apparently went missing in the last qtr.
Including Dunny, but also Stated Paddy was magnificent again and we would have lost without him.
Apparently the dunny we expect more from as an experienced player etc. etc.
The main problem with his argument is that Paddy had zero possessions in the last. That's no kicks, no marks, no tackles. In fact his opponent Grundy had 4.
Can you see why loading the blame in the last on one person rather than the team(less a few) is missing the bigger picture?
Of course but we’re in territory where we are using stats and examples that suit specific arguments.
Not to put words in Pav’s mouth but those may have been the examples that for whatever reason stood out to him most. Or it may have been the case of a perception that Paddy did enough after almost winning the game for us in the third… or maybe it’s more realistic to expect Paddy to tire.
I think you’ve really jumped on the singling out part but it’s not as though he was providing a detailed analysis of every player on the field either and IMO he hasn’t actually said anything wrong.
Those 3 along with others were well down in the last quarter and IMO the midfield was handily beaten and looked to stop.
We have a very nasty way of stagnating late in games sometimes.
For some reason, when we’re not winning contested ball, the go to move seems to be to just kick long to contests and we’re very bad at run and carry and kicking so that others can mark
My contribution to this argument has come fuelled more so by a recent perception of how Hill is getting lumped into these types of conversations as of late (not to at it happened here)…
Such and such kicks a clanger… well Hill’s on $900k and kicks changers or possession count becomes the measuring stick vs Hill.
The point that I was making is merely bringing other players into an argument to me, sometimes feels like it’s a distraction from the point.
In this case… yeah those 3 players had poor last quarters and yes so did 10+ other players. For whatever reason it’s something of a button of mine as of late