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Re: Dougal Howard
Teflon - I have reviewed this thread and you are on official notice for an ongoing dispute with B.M. If you do not like B.M. or his posting style or his opinions, then you would have been welcomed to debate his assertions, however you have taken the route of personal attacks on hsi character. As such I suggest that you refarin from responding to any of his posts. The best way to achieve that wold be to Foe him and not read his posts. Otherwsie, please note that continuing ongoing disputes carry a harsh penalty.
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Re: Dougal Howard
And kicked 3 directly opposed to Dougal
And he’s 18yo and 7 games in
We give Max ‘the young’ excuse at 21 and 30 games in
And he’s 18yo and 7 games in
We give Max ‘the young’ excuse at 21 and 30 games in
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Re: Dougal Howard
Max King took 3 times as many marks kicked 2. He didn’t get gifted one.
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Re: Dougal Howard
What a s*** thread. Howard tried his guts out as he does every week.
This is the reason I normally stay away from this place after we lose.
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Re: Dougal Howard
I watched the game on TV.
Howard clearly beat Thrillthorpe so many times.
The umpires clearly had instructions to help Thrillthorpe get a rising nomination.
Howard clearly beat Thrillthorpe so many times.
The umpires clearly had instructions to help Thrillthorpe get a rising nomination.
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Re: Dougal Howard
Clearly, it’s a conspiracy!
I find it interesting that Howard was given votes on here and his direct opponent (a kid) was given coaches votes
I would just like Dougal to play a smidge closer to his opponent when there is a F50 stoppage or when the opposition have a kick outside their F50 and at centre bounce
Is that to much to ask for?! For a full back to do that?!
And most, if not all players try… which ones DON’T try?
I find it interesting that Howard was given votes on here and his direct opponent (a kid) was given coaches votes
I would just like Dougal to play a smidge closer to his opponent when there is a F50 stoppage or when the opposition have a kick outside their F50 and at centre bounce
Is that to much to ask for?! For a full back to do that?!
And most, if not all players try… which ones DON’T try?
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Re: Dougal Howard
Great to see balanced moderating exists on the site. Name calling goes 2 ways but let’s ignore that shall we??BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Tue 15 Jun 2021 9:25pm Teflon - I have reviewed this thread and you are on official notice for an ongoing dispute with B.M. If you do not like B.M. or his posting style or his opinions, then you would have been welcomed to debate his assertions, however you have taken the route of personal attacks on hsi character. As such I suggest that you refarin from responding to any of his posts. The best way to achieve that wold be to Foe him and not read his posts. Otherwsie, please note that continuing ongoing disputes carry a harsh penalty.
Anyway, I’ve never been one to run to mods and whinge when I cop a bit and I cop plenty.
I wondered why I saw so many ex SS over on Bigfooty!
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Re: Dougal Howard
Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
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Re: Dougal Howard
With all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
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Re: Dougal Howard
It’s a good call Skeptic and I will say by the PMs I’ve gotten you’re not alone in that view...skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:46pmWith all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
Anyhoo let’s leave it there - I’m not one for running to mods, never have been, but geez it’d be nice to have some consistency in approach on that front.
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Re: Dougal Howard
Baiting again??
I really don’t care how many PMs you got, at all, if you feel that it vindicates you, fine.
I suggest you take the advice of putting me on your foe list? You clearly have a vendetta. That’s ok with me, as long as you play the ball. If you can’t, ignore!
And skeptic, please do enlighten me to posts where I get personal and name call. Maybe I have?
And provocative- that’s only from certain POV
I really don’t care how many PMs you got, at all, if you feel that it vindicates you, fine.
I suggest you take the advice of putting me on your foe list? You clearly have a vendetta. That’s ok with me, as long as you play the ball. If you can’t, ignore!
And skeptic, please do enlighten me to posts where I get personal and name call. Maybe I have?
And provocative- that’s only from certain POV
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Re: Dougal Howard
Teflon - don't re-write history. I look at who starts a dispute and who escalates it. Any reaction thereafter IS taken into account. Yes B.M. called you names but AFTER you started a dispute AND escalated it. Moderation is without any prejudice. I read the threads and moerate according to what is written. And more and more people may be over at BigFooty because they are NOT allowed back on here. It is a closed shop. No re-entry for those that have been banned. Gone are the days you could just start a new nic and use a floating I.P.Teflon wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 10:51pmIt’s a good call Skeptic and I will say by the PMs I’ve gotten you’re not alone in that view...skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:46pmWith all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
Anyhoo let’s leave it there - I’m not one for running to mods, never have been, but geez it’d be nice to have some consistency in approach on that front.
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Re: Dougal Howard
joffa burns ?And more and more people may be over at BigFooty because they are NOT allowed back on here. It is a closed shop. No re-entry for those that have been banned.
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Ofcourse you do BF buy great to see you recognise both posters had a role to play here and you dish out unilateral bans to one.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 12:07amTeflon - don't re-write history. I look at who starts a dispute and who escalates it. Any reaction thereafter IS taken into account. Yes B.M. called you names but AFTER you started a dispute AND escalated it. Moderation is without any prejudice. I read the threads and moerate according to what is written. And more and more people may be over at BigFooty because they are NOT allowed back on here. It is a closed shop. No re-entry for those that have been banned. Gone are the days you could just start a new nic and use a floating I.P.Teflon wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 10:51pmIt’s a good call Skeptic and I will say by the PMs I’ve gotten you’re not alone in that view...skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:46pmWith all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
Anyhoo let’s leave it there - I’m not one for running to mods, never have been, but geez it’d be nice to have some consistency in approach on that front.
I think it’s actually a shame so many are over at BF - I’ve been here since day dot and actually enjoyed the variety of opinion. “Closed shops” aren’t always the best approach if you value diversity in opinions I’ve found
Anyway, in the great words of Neale Daniher..”play on”.
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Re: Dougal Howard
Great poster Joffa totally enjoyed his stuff it would be disappointing if we’ve lost that contribution
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Re: Dougal Howard
Do you value diversity in opinions or do you lose patience when people aren’t agreeing with you?
I’ve often found that people who resort to name calling are more interested in trying to ‘close’ down a discussion.
You started with the name calling and you have form when someone has an alternate point of view.
How ‘bout respecting B.M’s right to have a different opinion to yours without getting personal?
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Re: Dougal Howard
What’s wrong with a thread that challenges? What’s wrong with a thread that looks at each moment in a game. Howard was one of our best players, but he would probably be the first to put his hand up and admit he could have done things differentlyViscount Jeremiah wrote: ↑Tue 15 Jun 2021 10:09pm What a s*** thread. Howard tried his guts out as he does every week.
This is the reason I normally stay away from this place after we lose.
I heard Joey Montagna on AFL 360 tonight and he spoke about player leadership
He said there are too many guys who are prone to being introverts and that doesn’t bode well when it’s time to review losses
He said one of the main things that needs to reviewed and improved at the club is the ability of players to give and accept strong feedback. I think Rooy also spoke about this 2 years ago. We will only improve as a team if the leaders and all players on the list challenge each other to get better
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Re: Dougal Howard
You're allowed to have your opinions on here, as long as they stick inside a very small window.Teflon wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 1:11amOfcourse you do BF buy great to see you recognise both posters had a role to play here and you dish out unilateral bans to one.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 12:07amTeflon - don't re-write history. I look at who starts a dispute and who escalates it. Any reaction thereafter IS taken into account. Yes B.M. called you names but AFTER you started a dispute AND escalated it. Moderation is without any prejudice. I read the threads and moerate according to what is written. And more and more people may be over at BigFooty because they are NOT allowed back on here. It is a closed shop. No re-entry for those that have been banned. Gone are the days you could just start a new nic and use a floating I.P.Teflon wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 10:51pmIt’s a good call Skeptic and I will say by the PMs I’ve gotten you’re not alone in that view...skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:46pmWith all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
Anyhoo let’s leave it there - I’m not one for running to mods, never have been, but geez it’d be nice to have some consistency in approach on that front.
I think it’s actually a shame so many are over at BF - I’ve been here since day dot and actually enjoyed the variety of opinion. “Closed shops” aren’t always the best approach if you value diversity in opinions I’ve found
Anyway, in the great words of Neale Daniher..”play on”.
It's not just about being a Saints supporter, it's about being a Saints supporter that supports them in a very specific way that is approved by a handful of people, otherwise you're out.
Yes I agree 'consistency' would be nice, it is clear there are 'protected species' around here, and it ends with losing quality contributors like Joffa.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
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Re: Dougal Howard
Protected species is about right. I dare say based on the number of and different instances of bird flipping every time there’s a disagreement... one species may in fact be the 10 most hated ppl here and the reason why so many migrate over to BF.The_Dud wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 10:08amYou're allowed to have your opinions on here, as long as they stick inside a very small window.Teflon wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 1:11amOfcourse you do BF buy great to see you recognise both posters had a role to play here and you dish out unilateral bans to one.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Thu 17 Jun 2021 12:07amTeflon - don't re-write history. I look at who starts a dispute and who escalates it. Any reaction thereafter IS taken into account. Yes B.M. called you names but AFTER you started a dispute AND escalated it. Moderation is without any prejudice. I read the threads and moerate according to what is written. And more and more people may be over at BigFooty because they are NOT allowed back on here. It is a closed shop. No re-entry for those that have been banned. Gone are the days you could just start a new nic and use a floating I.P.Teflon wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 10:51pmIt’s a good call Skeptic and I will say by the PMs I’ve gotten you’re not alone in that view...skeptic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:46pmWith all due respect BM, don’t play the self righteous victim now.B.M wrote: ↑Wed 16 Jun 2021 9:33pm Hmm…
I just called out your behaviour (name calling) and suggested it was as weak as piss. Childish and pathetic.
Maybe that’s a little too forward, and I should have phrased it better, but I was sick of the little jibes and personal comments
Not necessary IMO
Just debate the topic… no need for Harves (what ever that means?) God (?) Teach (??)
It is better to respond to people with respect.
Apologies if you took my comments as calling you weak as piss
I was referring to keyboard warrior type behaviour
You do more than your share of having unprovoked cracks at people or just being plain provocative
Heck an improvement thread doesn’t go by without you having a generalised crack at everyone who criticised Richo’s coaching even though it’s completely off topic.
Teffer’s has gotten a whack here but you give just as much as you get if not more so.
If you want to just talk footy then just talk footy... you don’t get to repeatedly and when unprovoked have cracks at ppl and call foul when you get it back
Anyhoo let’s leave it there - I’m not one for running to mods, never have been, but geez it’d be nice to have some consistency in approach on that front.
I think it’s actually a shame so many are over at BF - I’ve been here since day dot and actually enjoyed the variety of opinion. “Closed shops” aren’t always the best approach if you value diversity in opinions I’ve found
Anyway, in the great words of Neale Daniher..”play on”.
It's not just about being a Saints supporter, it's about being a Saints supporter that supports them in a very specific way that is approved by a handful of people, otherwise you're out.
Yes I agree 'consistency' would be nice, it is clear there are 'protected species' around here, and it ends with losing quality contributors like Joffa.
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Re: Dougal Howard
It’s not hard.
There are rules.
Minor infractions are ignored.
There is a light punishment for breaking rules - a one day ban.
For major infractions there is a one week ban - usually with a PM or posted warning before it gets to a ban but in severe cases it is traght to the one week ban.
3 x one week bans =
Goodbye.
Now forever.
I gave people 2nd or 3rd chances.
Mostly they reoffend and get banned again.
Reasons for one week bans are listed in the Admin Forum.
As for Joffa - who was personally a favourite of mine.
Joffa Burns (3/3) - permanent ban
- commentary on a poster (severe category) - removed on appeal
- commenting negatively on a poster and perpetuating an ongoing dispute
- abusing and negatively commenting on another poster
- abusing and negatively commenting on another poster
As for being “protected” 1 nobody (except me) is protected.
If you break the rules then the penalties above apply.
However I always look at who is the first to break the rules in a dispute. That’s fair.
There are rules.
Minor infractions are ignored.
There is a light punishment for breaking rules - a one day ban.
For major infractions there is a one week ban - usually with a PM or posted warning before it gets to a ban but in severe cases it is traght to the one week ban.
3 x one week bans =
Goodbye.
Now forever.
I gave people 2nd or 3rd chances.
Mostly they reoffend and get banned again.
Reasons for one week bans are listed in the Admin Forum.
As for Joffa - who was personally a favourite of mine.
Joffa Burns (3/3) - permanent ban
- commentary on a poster (severe category) - removed on appeal
- commenting negatively on a poster and perpetuating an ongoing dispute
- abusing and negatively commenting on another poster
- abusing and negatively commenting on another poster
As for being “protected” 1 nobody (except me) is protected.
If you break the rules then the penalties above apply.
However I always look at who is the first to break the rules in a dispute. That’s fair.
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Re: Dougal Howard
In Joffa's case, 3 strikes over a 17 year period (though I'm not sure when his first one was) is different to 3 in a short amount of time as some posters have had.
Maybe strikes could be disregarded after a couple of years of good behaviour (retrospectively in this case)?
Maybe strikes could be disregarded after a couple of years of good behaviour (retrospectively in this case)?
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.