Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
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Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Against a quality foe also.
Good on him! Glad to see him realising the potential.
Good on him! Glad to see him realising the potential.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
If only he’d been given a proper crack at the Saints!
Anyone know how Longer went on the weekend?
Anyone know how Longer went on the weekend?
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I reckon Tom Hickey played the worst game I’ve ever seen anyone play in a Saints jumper (vs ESS from memory?)
Could’ve been injured? Form?? Confidence?? Not sure...
But it was appalling!!!
He did however play some handy football at times, as he and Longer alternated years as the #1 ruckman over a four year period!
Think Longer did 14 & 16 whilst Longer did 15 & 17
Neither were that great (definitely not in the Ryder/Marshall class!)
Could’ve been injured? Form?? Confidence?? Not sure...
But it was appalling!!!
He did however play some handy football at times, as he and Longer alternated years as the #1 ruckman over a four year period!
Think Longer did 14 & 16 whilst Longer did 15 & 17
Neither were that great (definitely not in the Ryder/Marshall class!)
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I was a big Hickey fan especially into/after 2016 but after that year... it’s not like he was starved of opportunity, he had plenty of chances and really failed to grasp them.
Was inexplicably very passive at the contest... a trait he took to WCE too.
Don’t know what happens to him but nobody on this forum was particularly sad to see him go at the time because he had been mediocre for a while.
My take home lesson here who is on earth is the Sydney ruck coach..? let’s get him... or the guy that works on the players self belief. He too is very good.
Was inexplicably very passive at the contest... a trait he took to WCE too.
Don’t know what happens to him but nobody on this forum was particularly sad to see him go at the time because he had been mediocre for a while.
My take home lesson here who is on earth is the Sydney ruck coach..? let’s get him... or the guy that works on the players self belief. He too is very good.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
The swine have dean cox and don pyke as two of their assistantsskeptic wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:28pm I was a big Hickey fan especially into/after 2016 but after that year... it’s not like he was starved of opportunity, he had plenty of chances and really failed to grasp them.
Was inexplicably very passive at the contest... a trait he took to WCE too.
Don’t know what happens to him but nobody on this forum was particularly sad to see him go at the time because he had been mediocre for a while.
My take home lesson here who is on earth is the Sydney ruck coach..? let’s get him... or the guy that works on the players self belief. He too is very good.
I'd love them at the saints.
As hickey is at his fourth club maybe he's realized that his career may soon be over if he doesn't make the most of it.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
What is appalling is a club that has a habit of blaming losses on individuals.
Tom was not in the best players and we lost against Essendon.....Hmmm....
It's a team game and if we have that attitude, then no wonder we have a poor history of success and only one flag
If you have the right leaders including the captain, the coach, the footy boss and the CEO you won't lose good players. I considered Tom a good player
Sydney have excellent leaders who support all their players and an excellent development coach in Jared Crouch
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Richardson had a mindset against Hickey. He always gave us much more than Longer did, linking up through the midfield, taking marks, kicking goals here and there, and he was very good below his knees. Longer was the least skilful player I have ever seen pull on a Saints guernsey, getting his three handballs per game and zero marks, yet Richardson loved him. What a brainiac. Really happy for Tom Hickey now. Tom's confidence would have been at an all-time low under Richardson. How Richardson could favour a complete spud over a guy with actual ability is one of the great mysteries of recent times. That in itself indicated to me that Richardson had absolutely no clue about football.
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The Saints have the most potent ruck combo in the AFL which raises our midfield to one of the best four.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I believe most supporters acknowledge that Hickey was unable to recreate his 2016 form (just as Longer couldn’t recreate his 2017 form), despite being given various chances.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:28pm I was a big Hickey fan especially into/after 2016 but after that year... it’s not like he was starved of opportunity, he had plenty of chances and really failed to grasp them.
Was inexplicably very passive at the contest... a trait he took to WCE too.
Don’t know what happens to him but nobody on this forum was particularly sad to see him go at the time because he had been mediocre for a while.
My take home lesson here who is on earth is the Sydney ruck coach..? let’s get him... or the guy that works on the players self belief. He too is very good.
However, I don’t agree that most on this forum where content with him going. While Hickey’s form wasn’t progressing, he was still showing attributes that proved he was a good footballer and many, like myself, felt it was premature to let him go, especially for the underwhelming compensation from West Coast and Longer struggling.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Fair call.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Tue 04 May 2021 10:04amI believe most supporters acknowledge that Hickey was unable to recreate his 2016 form (just as Longer couldn’t recreate his 2017 form), despite being given various chances.skeptic wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:28pm I was a big Hickey fan especially into/after 2016 but after that year... it’s not like he was starved of opportunity, he had plenty of chances and really failed to grasp them.
Was inexplicably very passive at the contest... a trait he took to WCE too.
Don’t know what happens to him but nobody on this forum was particularly sad to see him go at the time because he had been mediocre for a while.
My take home lesson here who is on earth is the Sydney ruck coach..? let’s get him... or the guy that works on the players self belief. He too is very good.
However, I don’t agree that most on this forum where content with him going. While Hickey’s form wasn’t progressing, he was still showing attributes that proved he was a good footballer and many, like myself, felt it was premature to let him go, especially for the underwhelming compensation from West Coast and Longer struggling.
At that point I was ready to sink the effort/development into someone else
That’s my recollection but mileage may vary
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Never seen it happen before to be honest. A bloke given a chance at another club having a run of good games.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I always thought Hickey was a good player and much better than Longer...... many here disagreed.
However, don't underestimate how much better he became once he moved to WCE as Nic Nat's understudy.
He would have learnt so much more working with Nic Nat than he ever would have at St Kilda.
The Hickey you see now would not be the same as if he stayed at the Saints
However, don't underestimate how much better he became once he moved to WCE as Nic Nat's understudy.
He would have learnt so much more working with Nic Nat than he ever would have at St Kilda.
The Hickey you see now would not be the same as if he stayed at the Saints
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I agree that both Longer & Hickey had a few good games for us and both had a bunch of terrible games.
Sad that Longers career was cut short at 25 but awesome Hickey is rising...
Wonder if being at Eagles with Nic and clearly a great ruck coach helped?
Sad that Longers career was cut short at 25 but awesome Hickey is rising...
Wonder if being at Eagles with Nic and clearly a great ruck coach helped?
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
I have a slightly different take on the Hickey story
To write him off as a journey man sells him very short
Saints poached him from the suns as a rising prospect
His time at the saints was cruelled by a coach that had little respect for him
His contract to the Weagles was always as a fill-in for injured NicNat and once he was back had little game time
He is simply carrying on at the Swans as he always has
He was never the monster aggressive ruck - that hasnt changed
He IS very much in same vein as McEvoy (the other ruck we pissed off) versatile and skilled
To write him off as a journey man sells him very short
Saints poached him from the suns as a rising prospect
His time at the saints was cruelled by a coach that had little respect for him
His contract to the Weagles was always as a fill-in for injured NicNat and once he was back had little game time
He is simply carrying on at the Swans as he always has
He was never the monster aggressive ruck - that hasnt changed
He IS very much in same vein as McEvoy (the other ruck we pissed off) versatile and skilled
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Not the first time he's done it.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 9:52pm Against a quality foe also.
Good on him! Glad to see him realising the potential.
He got 10 votes playing against Gawn in this game.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2 ... 60717.html
He also got votes in the other game against Melbourne that year.
It's worth noting that Hayden McLean got a vote for Sydney on the weekend as well. Did Hickey and McLean ever play together at Sandy?
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BM is right. It was the worst game I’ve seen a saint play ever. Tom Bellchambers ragged dolled him for 100 minutes of football. It was shockingly bad and I reckon his papers were stamped that night. I’m utterly bewildered that he’s the same player running around for Sydney.Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 04 May 2021 1:58amWhat is appalling is a club that has a habit of blaming losses on individuals.
Tom was not in the best players and we lost against Essendon.....Hmmm....
It's a team game and if we have that attitude, then no wonder we have a poor history of success and only one flag
If you have the right leaders including the captain, the coach, the footy boss and the CEO you won't lose good players. I considered Tom a good player
Sydney have excellent leaders who support all their players and an excellent development coach in Jared Crouch
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Absolutely spot on. Scapegoating players is completely ridiculous.Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 04 May 2021 1:58amWhat is appalling is a club that has a habit of blaming losses on individuals.
Tom was not in the best players and we lost against Essendon.....Hmmm....
It's a team game and if we have that attitude, then no wonder we have a poor history of success and only one flag
If you have the right leaders including the captain, the coach, the footy boss and the CEO you won't lose good players. I considered Tom a good player
Sydney have excellent leaders who support all their players and an excellent development coach in Jared Crouch
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Makes you wonder how many other players were poorly developed under the previous regime doesn't it?suss wrote: ↑Tue 04 May 2021 10:26pmBM is right. It was the worst game I’ve seen a saint play ever. Tom Bellchambers ragged dolled him for 100 minutes of football. It was shockingly bad and I reckon his papers were stamped that night. I’m utterly bewildered that he’s the same player running around for Sydney.Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 04 May 2021 1:58amWhat is appalling is a club that has a habit of blaming losses on individuals.
Tom was not in the best players and we lost against Essendon.....Hmmm....
It's a team game and if we have that attitude, then no wonder we have a poor history of success and only one flag
If you have the right leaders including the captain, the coach, the footy boss and the CEO you won't lose good players. I considered Tom a good player
Sydney have excellent leaders who support all their players and an excellent development coach in Jared Crouch
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Hickey was always good.
Kind of ruckman GT would have liked and is a poor man's Marshall or Grundy - a good, mobile, fairly skilled big who can run and is excellent below his knees and a great tackler too.
Glad to see him playing well
Kind of ruckman GT would have liked and is a poor man's Marshall or Grundy - a good, mobile, fairly skilled big who can run and is excellent below his knees and a great tackler too.
Glad to see him playing well
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Maybe the following were developed poorly
Jack Steven?
Seb Ross?
Josh Bruce?
Tim Membrey?
Jade Gresham?
Rowan Marshall?
Dylan Roberton?
Jarryn Geary?
David Armitage?
Sean Dempster?
We carry on like no one got a kick?!
We won 23 out of 44 games in 2016/17 and were just out of the finals
Someone must’ve played ok?!
Jack Steven?
Seb Ross?
Josh Bruce?
Tim Membrey?
Jade Gresham?
Rowan Marshall?
Dylan Roberton?
Jarryn Geary?
David Armitage?
Sean Dempster?
We carry on like no one got a kick?!
We won 23 out of 44 games in 2016/17 and were just out of the finals
Someone must’ve played ok?!
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
Matthew Capuano probably earns this title. He was so bad in his last game we played Matt Maguire in the ruck. And then got the golden handshake afterwards.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:01pm I reckon Tom Hickey played the worst game I’ve ever seen anyone play in a Saints jumper (vs ESS from memory?)
Could’ve been injured? Form?? Confidence?? Not sure...
But it was appalling!!!
He did however play some handy football at times, as he and Longer alternated years as the #1 ruckman over a four year period!
Think Longer did 14 & 16 whilst Longer did 15 & 17
Neither were that great (definitely not in the Ryder/Marshall class!)
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The game I christened him Crapuano. A gutless performance. On the way put of the ground I saw Barry Lawrence putting s*** on the coach in a loud voice to anyone who would listen.Really worked up over his son's treatment he was.IluvHarvey wrote: ↑Thu 06 May 2021 2:20pmMatthew Capuano probably earns this title. He was so bad in his last game we played Matt Maguire in the ruck. And then got the golden handshake afterwards.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:01pm I reckon Tom Hickey played the worst game I’ve ever seen anyone play in a Saints jumper (vs ESS from memory?)
Could’ve been injured? Form?? Confidence?? Not sure...
But it was appalling!!!
He did however play some handy football at times, as he and Longer alternated years as the #1 ruckman over a four year period!
Think Longer did 14 & 16 whilst Longer did 15 & 17
Neither were that great (definitely not in the Ryder/Marshall class!)
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
IluvHarvey wrote: ↑Thu 06 May 2021 2:20pmMatthew Capuano probably earns this title. He was so bad in his last game we played Matt Maguire in the ruck. And then got the golden handshake afterwards.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 03 May 2021 11:01pm I reckon Tom Hickey played the worst game I’ve ever seen anyone play in a Saints jumper (vs ESS from memory?)
Could’ve been injured? Form?? Confidence?? Not sure...
But it was appalling!!!
He did however play some handy football at times, as he and Longer alternated years as the #1 ruckman over a four year period!
Think Longer did 14 & 16 whilst Longer did 15 & 17
Neither were that great (definitely not in the Ryder/Marshall class!)
David Windbanks the winner easily.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
You...and others... are claiming we developed our own...FunnyB.M wrote: ↑Thu 06 May 2021 10:53am Maybe the following were developed poorly
Jack Steven?
Seb Ross?
Josh Bruce?
Tim Membrey?
Jade Gresham?
Rowan Marshall?
Dylan Roberton?
Jarryn Geary?
David Armitage?
Sean Dempster?
We carry on like no one got a kick?!
We won 23 out of 44 games in 2016/17 and were just out of the finals
Someone must’ve played ok?!
In your list there are 4 players who came from other clubs...and you can add our current co captain in Jack Steele who also started his professional AFL career at GWS
Cho's predecessors had more to do with us getting close in 16/17 than Cho. The youth that started under Lyon and Watters were ready to play good footy in '16/'17.
Cho was in charge for 5 and half years
If Cho had done such a terrific job at developing players we wouldn't have needed to turn over half a starting 22 and bring in 10 mature players
This thread (about Tom) is actually symbolic. Tom had a brilliant year in 2016 at St Kilda.
In 2017 I witnessed the worse treatment of a player by a senior coach and I reckon indicative of a bloke who failed in the gig.
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Re: Tom Hickey - 10 Votes
All of those players went to another level whilst playing under Richardson.
Hickey was woeful in 2017 (even in the VFL) may have been injured?
Hickey was woeful in 2017 (even in the VFL) may have been injured?