Stomped on by Stand

[ace]

2020 every team bar GWS uses the same defensive tactic.
Call it press or call it a zone.
Every player was involves in clogging up part of the ground so the opposition could not get through.

It always looked bad when the opposition broke through and scored easy run in goals but the success of 2020 was St Kilda tall small combination worked a treat.
If our tall failed to mark (normal) our smalls converted.

But come 2021 the stand rule has caused all teams to abandon this defensive tactic including St Kilda.
Teams are now using a full ground spread with players forced to compete with an opponent instead of a team.
The space to work in afforded to our smalls in 2020 has disappeared they are forced to compete for possessions with their lack of height and lack of weight leaving them at a severe disadvantage.

[ace]

Centre half forward has virtually disappeared from the game but that is no excuse for a lack of a tall centre half back.
The role of a centre half back is intercepting marks.
Intercepting marks that are intended for leading forwards.
St Kilda Without a tall centre half back were sliced open like a knife through melted butter.
Kicks from centre clearances were met by leading forwards, with their defenders powerless.
St Kilda needed someone in the hole.

The club may have an issue with Carlisle but they have a greater issue without him at centre half back.

[ace]

Training repeats sprints is one great training fraud.
If a player gives everything he has for the first sprint then he should not be able to repeat.
So players learn to go at 90% so they can get through the set.
And then they learn to train so as not to hurt when they do a set
They train to run at a top speed of less than 90% in a game.
They never go flat out .

The only exception has been Nick Hind.
He was traded on because other smalls had greater forward skills or strength.
He was never used in defence because last year the back six was settled.

He competed in a grand final sprint and was easily beaten into last place.
Then a year later Wink's brother takes out the grand final sprint.
Runners in a grand final sprint run flat out over 100m.
Not 90% over 50 metres.
So if Hind had to give up a handicap to Winks and Butler who should win ?
Winks easily, wrong, the guy who runs flat out.
Hind went flying past Winks and caught Butler.

Hind is not fast but he is faster than those who are not going flat out.
No one could catch him running out of defence.
He is not afraid to hurt, he is not afraid that he may be called upon to repeat.

Stop training repeat sprints.
You train only to go flat out and make it hurt because that is how you must play.

[ace]

Why is Coffield being matched up on taller stronger opponents.
Just because you WANT players to be versatile doesn't mean they ever will be.

He was an excellent intercept mark and beautiful LONG kick last year.
This year he has been asked to play tall.
He panics and wraps up his opponent who is at best only going to be 2nd up.
No your job is to prevent the opposition getting a set shot, not give them one.

He was obviously berated for giving away holding frees, so much so that he held his arms out to show the umpire he was not holding but then did no even compete to prevent his opponent marking.
He is a back flanker let him play to his strengths.

[ace]

The man coming off the back of the square prevented the opposition mids having won the contest streaming toward goal either scoring or kicking to full forward.
But 6-6-6 only makes 5 metres difference.
If Essendon would get the ball they would go untackled.
As soon as Gresham got the ball he was tackled then after a chain of forced handballs, the ball would be turned over and the opposition would win the centre clearance.
By this time Ross was committed and ineffective to block Essendon's forward thrust.
We desperately needed someone uncommitted coming in from defence, Long often does this but alas no-one did this without him.

[sks023]

The timing of the stand on the mark rule change was piss poor by the Afl and has severely contributed in the sinking of our ship.
Should have been announced before the trade period so clubs would have a understanding of the type of players needed
That f****** woke organization has screwed us with there bruise free footy stance and haven't all the media jumped on board salivating how great it is. I must have missed the get on board memo

[sunsaint]

not sure where to begin with the above statement - however -
firstly you did miss one memo from our club stating that we had a plan to exploit the "Man on the mark rule"
Secondly you CERTAINLY missed watching the Cats vs Hawks game on the weekend where geelong played a much slower stop start chip sidewards game where as the hawks played on at all costs - two exact opposite game plans under the same rule
and thirdly what "That f****** woke organization" statement has to do with any semblance of reality staggers me
Not sure you watch much footy

[B.M]

Weren’t we the fastest team in the league last season?

The rule should’ve suited us??

[sunsaint]

Weren’t we the fastest team in the league last season?

The rule should’ve suited us??

yeah so we had leg speed we had a 2021 rule that we were going to exploit
and then the reality check of the GWS game - a hard contested footy slog fest
that took so much out of them that they're still suffering
seems to me there's always an excuse

[saintkev]

not sure where to begin with the above statement - however -
firstly you did miss one memo from our club stating that we had a plan to exploit the "Man on the mark rule"
Secondly you CERTAINLY missed watching the Cats vs Hawks game on the weekend where geelong played a much slower stop start chip sidewards game where as the hawks played on at all costs - two exact opposite game plans under the same rule
and thirdly what "That f****** woke organization" statement has to do with any semblance of reality staggers me
Not sure you watch much footy

I agree. The Hawks and Cats game was a bloody great game of football to watch. What let us down was a disgraceful attitude and effort. We could learn a lot from both teams throwing everything into it.

[sks023]

not sure where to begin with the above statement - however -
firstly you did miss one memo from our club stating that we had a plan to exploit the "Man on the mark rule"
Secondly you CERTAINLY missed watching the Cats vs Hawks game on the weekend where geelong played a much slower stop start chip sidewards game where as the hawks played on at all costs - two exact opposite game plans under the same rule
and thirdly what "That f****** woke organization" statement has to do with any semblance of reality staggers me
Not sure you watch much footy

The statement refers to where their going as a organization and how it transfers onto the field
Whether you agree with me or not there's no reason to question my sanity

[sunsaint]

ok well clearly you didnt read what I wrote or simply refused to address it
We released a statement saying how we were going to exploit the rule
The GWS game was far from bruise free and quite a few here used it as an excuse for subsequent poor performances

With so many injuries this year across the board - its far from "bruise free"

still you want to point the finger at the AFL with some "woke" rubbish as to the reason for OUR fairly inept attitude and results this year

[saynta]

not sure where to begin with the above statement - however -
firstly you did miss one memo from our club stating that we had a plan to exploit the "Man on the mark rule"
Secondly you CERTAINLY missed watching the Cats vs Hawks game on the weekend where geelong played a much slower stop start chip sidewards game where as the hawks played on at all costs - two exact opposite game plans under the same rule
and thirdly what "That f****** woke organization" statement has to do with any semblance of reality staggers me
Not sure you watch much footy

I agree. The Hawks and Cats game was a bloody great game of football to watch. What let us down was a disgraceful attitude and effort. We could learn a lot from both teams throwing everything into it.

And yet the fat f*** on 360 said it was boring, a f****** snooze fest.

I must admit after that f****** pathetic effort from our boys , I didn't watch any of the other games.

[sks023]

not sure where to begin with the above statement - however -
firstly you did miss one memo from our club stating that we had a plan to exploit the "Man on the mark rule"
Secondly you CERTAINLY missed watching the Cats vs Hawks game on the weekend where geelong played a much slower stop start chip sidewards game where as the hawks played on at all costs - two exact opposite game plans under the same rule
and thirdly what "That f****** woke organization" statement has to do with any semblance of reality staggers me
Not sure you watch much footy

I agree. The Hawks and Cats game was a bloody great game of football to watch. What let us down was a disgraceful attitude and effort. We could learn a lot from both teams throwing everything into it.

And yet the fat f*** on 360 said it was boring, a f****** snooze fest.

I must admit after that f****** pathetic effort from our boys , I didn't watch any of the other games.

That fat f*** was right for a change

[bigcarl]

You’d think the stand rule would benefit an attacking side like we were last season.

I think what has gone wrong is not our adjustment to the new world, but poor structure.

The three players we could least afford out at the start of the season would be Ryder (ruck), Marshall (chf) and Carlisle (chb). That is half the spine.

The replacements haven’t really been adequate. Marshall (chf/ruck) is particularly crucial.