Peak Armo vs peak Seb, now there's another discussion!
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Peak Armo vs peak Seb, now there's another discussion!
Oh, that right. I love Dave but how many B & F did Dave win?
Same amount as Goddard, Dal Santo and Montagna combined!
Just as I thought. Nil, zero zilch...
So by your logic...saynta wrote: ↑Thu 07 Jan 2021 4:16pmJust as I thought. Nil, zero zilch...![]()
My point was that using B&Fs to judge how good a player is is pointless.B.M wrote: ↑Fri 08 Jan 2021 12:48am No
Those players have plenty of decorations
But winning a best and fairest in a team that won 11 games and average 30 possessions a game, polling 14 Brownlow Votes is a good achievement!
Spin it anyway you want, you can’t get past those facts
Dave was my favourite Saint for a number of years, loved his hardness!
His 2015 was brilliant, he average 28 possessions and was B&F runner up in a team that won 6 games. He polled 12 Brownlow Votes
In comparison not as good as Sebs 2017 where he made the AA squad. So not only was he good compared to other StK players
He was good compared to other players in the AFL
I think the possess the ball go sideways & switch game plan in that period probably had a lot to do with how Seb played the game and in how many possessions he accumulated.Josh Battle wrote: ↑Fri 08 Jan 2021 7:11am Who was that West Coast mid that never made it into the AA team in 2014 but ended up winning the Brownlow that year ...yep
Matt Priddis
Absolute ball magnet and although the umps thought he was the best player in the League, Matts own club voted him second in their best and fairest that year.
I just think voting is subjective and doesn't prove anything. Seb Ross was a ball magnet, but you can't win games of footy just by possessing the ball and playing keepings off.
I thought Dylan Roberton had an outstanding 2017 (was better than Seb Imo) and should have won the TBM that year
Well said.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 08 Jan 2021 9:40amI think the possess the ball go sideways & switch game plan in that period probably had a lot to do with how Seb played the game and in how many possessions he accumulated.Josh Battle wrote: ↑Fri 08 Jan 2021 7:11am Who was that West Coast mid that never made it into the AA team in 2014 but ended up winning the Brownlow that year ...yep
Matt Priddis
Absolute ball magnet and although the umps thought he was the best player in the League, Matts own club voted him second in their best and fairest that year.
I just think voting is subjective and doesn't prove anything. Seb Ross was a ball magnet, but you can't win games of footy just by possessing the ball and playing keepings off.
I thought Dylan Roberton had an outstanding 2017 (was better than Seb Imo) and should have won the TBM that year
For me Seb is a solid B grade AFL mid and I cannot understand why or how people think he should be traded (unless we get decent compensation) or is no longer best 22.
I think he is underrated and undervalued on this site, but I doubt he is internally at the club.
I have had the pleasure of meeting Seb on one occasion and you would not come across a more humble and polite young man, seems a really genuine decent guy.
A sporting club is usually a mix of all types of characters and when these guys gel you have something special, Seb is a quality individual and you need these solid citizens in the group.
So are the 18 b&f winners the 18 best players on the year? Did Reilly O’Brien have a better year than Dusty?B.M wrote: ↑Fri 08 Jan 2021 8:49pm B&F awards/club champions are seen as huge honours
To be judged the best performed player out of 45 AFL listed players (by the coaches) over the course of 22 games is a huge achievement!!!
Any who thinks otherwise is being ridiculous.
Also,
If Dylan Roberton deserved the B&F in 2017... he would have won it!!!
The coaches thought otherwise
SS users thought otherwise too
Your passion for Seb Ross is admirable B.M but I don't think anyone that has expressed an opposing view to yours has argued that he failed to "touch the footy last season".
Confirms that a fair number of SS posters don't know s*** from sugar or their arse from their elbow.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 12:46pm Seb came in a lowly 22nd place in Saintsationaal Player of the Year 2020.
How did he place in the other years? Especially in the B&F years?
Curious. Anyone know?
Just like Lyon with Ball in 09 I suppose?saynta wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 1:40pmAs I have been saying all along and others too, Seb is undervalued and his games under appreciated by SS posters.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 12:46pm Seb came in a lowly 22nd place in Saintsationaal Player of the Year 2020.
How did he place in the other years? Especially in the B&F years?
Curious. Anyone know?
No real mystery there, but thank the f*** SS posters don't pick the Saints side.
That task still falls to the coaches and they know what they are doing and who can play and who can't.
The tosser was an aberration, a glich in an otherwise knowledgable industry. Any one with an ounce of common sense is aware of that.The_Dud wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 1:46pmJust like Lyon with Ball in 09 I suppose?saynta wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 1:40pmAs I have been saying all along and others too, Seb is undervalued and his games under appreciated by SS posters.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Sat 09 Jan 2021 12:46pm Seb came in a lowly 22nd place in Saintsationaal Player of the Year 2020.
How did he place in the other years? Especially in the B&F years?
Curious. Anyone know?
No real mystery there, but thank the f*** SS posters don't pick the Saints side.
That task still falls to the coaches and they know what they are doing and who can play and who can't.
You can’t have it both ways, unless you’re saynta I guess![]()
I agree dud, you must play well to win a B&F but without doubt the strength of the team at the time is a massive determining factor.