I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
I think it’s a mistake too.
I would have liked to have seen Ben playing as a purely defensive forward.
I would have liked to have seen Ben playing as a purely defensive forward.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
More than a depth player ....
Elite kick ... going at 80% plus DE!!
Elite metres gained.
Elite speed ... in a game in 2017 he ran a top speed of 37.1 km/hr ... which is faster than Hill's 36.6 km/hr.
Averaged around 20 running, rebounding possessions in 2019.
Totally ignored and wrongly scapegoated in 2020.
Good one, Saint's brain trust/decision makers.
Elite kick ... going at 80% plus DE!!
Elite metres gained.
Elite speed ... in a game in 2017 he ran a top speed of 37.1 km/hr ... which is faster than Hill's 36.6 km/hr.
Averaged around 20 running, rebounding possessions in 2019.
Totally ignored and wrongly scapegoated in 2020.
Good one, Saint's brain trust/decision makers.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Collingwood tried using Afterpay style financing - doesn't work financially or team harmony wise. That's what mistakes look like.
My guess is when the decision to not renew Shane was made it wasn't a direct trade off consideration between DMac and him at all. Its team balance and TPP. if you are not a key piece of the premiership jigsaw you are vulnerable. High pay, high risks. Shane would be set up for life, yes?
My guess is when the decision to not renew Shane was made it wasn't a direct trade off consideration between DMac and him at all. Its team balance and TPP. if you are not a key piece of the premiership jigsaw you are vulnerable. High pay, high risks. Shane would be set up for life, yes?
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
For someone regarded as a great kick, he rarely hits targets when it counts. Long bombs are a remnant of the Richardson era and have no place in the current set-up. Ratten , when he took over, expressed a desire to have more players who could use the ball effectively. That is why Savage got replaced by Paton. It's the same reason Mckenzie will spend the rest of his contract playing for Sandringham. Half backs who are poor kicks are a massive liability as they concede goals to the opposition and also deny scoring opportunities for their own team. ....it's a double loss. In losses where margins are less than four goals, you can bet that turnovers from the back half are the difference in many cases.
I hope Savage gets another gig. He was good for us under the previous coaching era, but now things are different.
I hope Savage gets another gig. He was good for us under the previous coaching era, but now things are different.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
From what I’ve read this seems to be the deal.cwrcyn wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 9:34am For someone regarded as a great kick, he rarely hits targets when it counts. Long bombs are a remnant of the Richardson era and have no place in the current set-up. Ratten , when he took over, expressed a desire to have more players who could use the ball effectively. That is why Savage got replaced by Paton. It's the same reason Mckenzie will spend the rest of his contract playing for Sandringham. Half backs who are poor kicks are a massive liability as they concede goals to the opposition and also deny scoring opportunities for their own team. ....it's a double loss. In losses where margins are less than four goals, you can bet that turnovers from the back half are the difference in many cases.
I hope Savage gets another gig. He was good for us under the previous coaching era, but now things are different.
But I wondered why they didn’t try him as a sweeping forward. Bombing the ball between the goal posts presents a wider target than pinpointing a running player downfield.
The way he slotted that goal in the final ....
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
The post by crwcyn sums it up best for me. I'm rapt that our head coach doesn't view raw stats when he decides on team selection.In any case, I think there have been many scapegoated at various clubs including ours because of the cuts to lists and the unfortunate timing for some who were out of contract.samoht wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 8:57am More than a depth player ....
Elite kick ... going at 80% plus DE!!
Elite metres gained.
Elite speed ... in a game in 2017 he ran a top speed of 37.1 km/hr ... which is faster than Hill's 36.6 km/hr.
Averaged around 20 running, rebounding possessions in 2019.
Totally ignored and wrongly scapegoated in 2020.
Good one, Saint's brain trust/decision makers.
Savage can't fill in at CHB or Full Back. I think Shane can be useful as depth, but clearly he's behind Coff/Carke/Long/Paton and if Chipper Frawley is recruited there's another. Robbo and Webster were lucky they had a contract. Maybe they would have been delisted before Shane was
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
While a talented player, he was too much of a downhill skier.
We need players who are mentally tough and can stop the opposition when they have momentum.
We need players who are mentally tough and can stop the opposition when they have momentum.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Just how much of your life did you waste before you found that quote?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:46pmIt’s a site where people express opinions. We can’t all agree with the club all of the time.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:12pmSo, you know more than the club's list management team, do you?SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 4:59pm At 29 years old he still has at least 2 years left in him at the top level. We are now in the premiership window so a player like Sav could be very valuable. I can see why they did what the did but I would have rather they paid out McKenzie and kept Sav.
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Seeing I was paying for nine memberships the past few years , that's a very old quote.
Think i was referring to the BJ decision wasn't I? Different admin these days to when that f***wit pelchen was there.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Mav Weller?saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:36amJust how much of your life did you waste before you found that quote?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:46pmIt’s a site where people express opinions. We can’t all agree with the club all of the time.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:12pmSo, you know more than the club's list management team, do you?SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 4:59pm At 29 years old he still has at least 2 years left in him at the top level. We are now in the premiership window so a player like Sav could be very valuable. I can see why they did what the did but I would have rather they paid out McKenzie and kept Sav.![]()
Seeing I was paying for nine memberships the past few years , that's a very old quote.
Think i was referring to the BJ decision wasn't I? Different admin these days to when that f***wit pelchen was there.![]()
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Hannebery's contract is not our issue and it's rarely has been. For the record - his contract was heavily front ended (as it could be because we were barely paying anyone else). Stuv, Billings, Carlisle, Roberton were all being paid the same if not more at the time.WellardSaint wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:45pm The club has gone over everything wirh a fine-toothed comb.
They're possibly feeling the impact of Hanna's contract, and cannot afford to pay out DMack- and nobody is banging on his manager's door to offer to pay him on our behalf.
I don't remember DMack being an emergency at all this year?
So the coaches rate Sav higher than DMack.
Just IMHO
The majority of Hannebery's contract has now been paid - he's now on not much more than any other reasonable midfielder.
In the context of keeping someone like Savage (whom I still really like as a player) - our biggest issue is McKenzie's 'still 2 years to go' ridiculous contract - plus Dunstan, Webster Ross, Joyce. being unable to dump these guys' salary conspired against against us affording Treloar and given we want to draft at least 2 kids + Frawley - we need room on the list. Sadly, none of McKenzie, Dunstan, Webster Ross and Joyce will play senior footy at all next year if we have the same reasonable run with injury (and there's a lot of $ tied up in them).
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Who said we were trying to dump Ross apart from a few fake ITK's on this site. Certainly the saints admin weren't.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Not an old quote at all and not hard to find and nothing to do with Pelchen or BJ. It’s from November last year and refers to Biggy Nyoun.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:36amJust how much of your life did you waste before you found that quote?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:46pmIt’s a site where people express opinions. We can’t all agree with the club all of the time.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:12pmSo, you know more than the club's list management team, do you?SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 4:59pm At 29 years old he still has at least 2 years left in him at the top level. We are now in the premiership window so a player like Sav could be very valuable. I can see why they did what the did but I would have rather they paid out McKenzie and kept Sav.![]()
Seeing I was paying for nine memberships the past few years , that's a very old quote.
Think i was referring to the BJ decision wasn't I? Different admin these days to when that f***wit pelchen was there.![]()
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
And that's the dilemma SP66, salary caps are much tighter for 2021, paying out DMack effectively means an empty spot that costs K350 for 2021 and 2022, which doesn't make sense. I also rate Shane Savage but believe the club's football department know what they're doing and as someone pointed out, he is merely a depth player now having been surpassed by Coffield, Paton and Long.SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:49pm
You are either incorrect or have mis-understood what I posted. A club is perfectly entitled to pay out a player. McKenzie has 2 years left on his contract at an estimated $350,000. St Kilda can if they wish, delist him now by paying him $700,000. This would free up a spot but it would add $700,000 to this years Total Player Payments (TTP)
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
But if we pay McKenzie out now, his wage ($700k) will only count in the 2020 salary cap. That would mean we would have one extra spot on the list for 2021 and 2022.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 11:38amAnd that's the dilemma SP66, salary caps are much tighter for 2021, paying out DMack effectively means an empty spot that costs K350 for 2021 and 2022, which doesn't make sense. I also rate Shane Savage but believe the club's football department know what they're doing and as someone pointed out, he is merely a depth player now having been surpassed by Coffield, Paton and Long.SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:49pm
You are either incorrect or have mis-understood what I posted. A club is perfectly entitled to pay out a player. McKenzie has 2 years left on his contract at an estimated $350,000. St Kilda can if they wish, delist him now by paying him $700,000. This would free up a spot but it would add $700,000 to this years Total Player Payments (TTP)
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
I wasn't aware of that, didn't realise payouts were dealt with retrospectively....
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
i’m surprised the long roost isn’t used moreshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:04amFrom what I’ve read this seems to be the deal.
But I wondered why they didn’t try him as a sweeping forward. Bombing the ball between the goal posts presents a wider target than pinpointing a running player downfield.
The way he slotted that goal in the final ....
to combat a crowded forward line
... take em out of play
run a pair of em
a lefty and a righty playing their fat side
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Club wanted to address inaccuracy, so changed forward tactics to get the ball very close in before having a shot.asiu wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 12:04pmi’m surprised the long roost isn’t used moreshanegrambeau wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:04amFrom what I’ve read this seems to be the deal.
But I wondered why they didn’t try him as a sweeping forward. Bombing the ball between the goal posts presents a wider target than pinpointing a running player downfield.
The way he slotted that goal in the final ....
to combat a crowded forward line
... take em out of play
run a pair of em
a lefty and a righty playing their fat side
I've seen stats on our goals from 15-30m out, and we're high up in qty and quality.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
yea
i remember Ratts sayn the plan was to get it to 30
for some obscure reason like its harder to miss from there !!
they done good
15 -30 better than plan
i remember Ratts sayn the plan was to get it to 30
for some obscure reason like its harder to miss from there !!
they done good
15 -30 better than plan
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Oh, okay.Yeah, it will prove to be a big mistake and I'm still pissed off. OK? No sorry from me.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 11:14amNot an old quote at all and not hard to find and nothing to do with Pelchen or BJ. It’s from November last year and refers to Biggy Nyoun.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:36amJust how much of your life did you waste before you found that quote?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:46pmIt’s a site where people express opinions. We can’t all agree with the club all of the time.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:12pmSo, you know more than the club's list management team, do you?SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 4:59pm At 29 years old he still has at least 2 years left in him at the top level. We are now in the premiership window so a player like Sav could be very valuable. I can see why they did what the did but I would have rather they paid out McKenzie and kept Sav.![]()
Seeing I was paying for nine memberships the past few years , that's a very old quote.
Think i was referring to the BJ decision wasn't I? Different admin these days to when that f***wit pelchen was there.![]()
Glad you have so much time on your hands. Me personally? I couldn't give a fat rat's half eaten toss bag what someone posted last year FFS.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
in the richo era, they tried Savage in the middle and up forward and found that he was much better down back. but he long bombs it and does not lower his eyes which is what Ratts wants.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:04amFrom what I’ve read this seems to be the deal.cwrcyn wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 9:34am For someone regarded as a great kick, he rarely hits targets when it counts. Long bombs are a remnant of the Richardson era and have no place in the current set-up. Ratten , when he took over, expressed a desire to have more players who could use the ball effectively. That is why Savage got replaced by Paton. It's the same reason Mckenzie will spend the rest of his contract playing for Sandringham. Half backs who are poor kicks are a massive liability as they concede goals to the opposition and also deny scoring opportunities for their own team. ....it's a double loss. In losses where margins are less than four goals, you can bet that turnovers from the back half are the difference in many cases.
I hope Savage gets another gig. He was good for us under the previous coaching era, but now things are different.
But I wondered why they didn’t try him as a sweeping forward. Bombing the ball between the goal posts presents a wider target than pinpointing a running player downfield.
The way he slotted that goal in the final ....
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Turn it up! That's not nice saynta.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 1:40pmOh, okay.Yeah, it will prove to be a big mistake and I'm still pissed off. OK? No sorry from me.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 11:14amNot an old quote at all and not hard to find and nothing to do with Pelchen or BJ. It’s from November last year and refers to Biggy Nyoun.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:36amJust how much of your life did you waste before you found that quote?kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:46pmIt’s a site where people express opinions. We can’t all agree with the club all of the time.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 5:12pmSo, you know more than the club's list management team, do you?SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Mon 23 Nov 2020 4:59pm At 29 years old he still has at least 2 years left in him at the top level. We are now in the premiership window so a player like Sav could be very valuable. I can see why they did what the did but I would have rather they paid out McKenzie and kept Sav.![]()
Seeing I was paying for nine memberships the past few years , that's a very old quote.
Think i was referring to the BJ decision wasn't I? Different admin these days to when that f***wit pelchen was there.![]()
Glad you have so much time on your hands. Me personally? I couldn't give a fat rat's half eaten toss bag what someone posted last year FFS.![]()
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
No not retrospectively. If we pay him out today it will count towards the 2020 TPP. I assume the cut-off is Dec 31. If it is then if we paid him out in Jan it would count in the 2021 TPP. I'm just not sure when the end of year cut-off is.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
Am entertained by the evolution of the rat’s tossbag.
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Re: I believe the delisting of Savage is a mistake.
THe salary cap must be getting tight for the Saints, with big money going to Hanneberry, Hill, Couch etc
Also with the emergence of next next tier (Clarke, Wilke, Battle, King ,Coffield) they would be looking at future planning.
Cant afford to dump Dmac for someone like Savage. All it would do is use up valuable salary cap space for mediocre players.
Savage is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cant see him being rookied.
Also with the emergence of next next tier (Clarke, Wilke, Battle, King ,Coffield) they would be looking at future planning.
Cant afford to dump Dmac for someone like Savage. All it would do is use up valuable salary cap space for mediocre players.
Savage is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cant see him being rookied.