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- The Fireman
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2021
Ok be fair dinkum...
Has anyone been looking forward to a season as much as this one in the last 10 years ?
and our list is still not stamped.
sorry to waste a thread on this but I'm stoked and looking forward to even a better year of quality football.
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Has anyone been looking forward to a season as much as this one in the last 10 years ?
and our list is still not stamped.
sorry to waste a thread on this but I'm stoked and looking forward to even a better year of quality football.
...
- skeptic
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Re: 2021
To be honest... it is quite exciting
It turns out that we did in fact have the talent and we can in fact attract players from rival clubs.
We had a good result this year and have looked to improve our list.
Place has a very positive energy about it
Been some bad management that has perhaps loaded us up with a few cloggers... we seem to be bipod good something pretty special touch wood
It turns out that we did in fact have the talent and we can in fact attract players from rival clubs.
We had a good result this year and have looked to improve our list.
Place has a very positive energy about it
Been some bad management that has perhaps loaded us up with a few cloggers... we seem to be bipod good something pretty special touch wood
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Re: 2021
been around too long to harbour false expectations ..hell I used to think we would do well each season in the 80's .. the naivety was replaced with glass half empty mindset. My Glass is now realistically half full.bangaulegend wrote: ↑Mon 09 Nov 2020 9:01pm Looking forward to 2021 but expectation has always been a downer for me , get my hopes up & reality brings me back to earth pretty quick but yeah I'm up beat
Nup.. this is something else.. the club is being run in an aggressive and clever manner .. Skeptic touched on bad management and loading up with list cloggers...the club is now ruthless with it's culling.
We now have some young superstars who can only improve and seasoned top grade players who want to wear our guernsey.
so yep...happy days.
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Re: 2021
Yeah mate starting to become a destination club which is great , that's why the Caldwell situation amazes meThe Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 09 Nov 2020 9:13pmbeen around too long to harbour false expectations ..hell I used to think we would do well each season in the 80's .. the naivety was replaced with glass half empty mindset. My Glass is now realistically half full.bangaulegend wrote: ↑Mon 09 Nov 2020 9:01pm Looking forward to 2021 but expectation has always been a downer for me , get my hopes up & reality brings me back to earth pretty quick but yeah I'm up beat
Nup.. this is something else.. the club is being run in an aggressive and clever manner .. Skeptic touched on bad management and loading up with list cloggers...the club is now ruthless with it's culling.
We now have some young superstars who can only improve and seasoned top grade players who want to wear our guernsey.
so yep...happy days.
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Re: 2021
2021 feels exactly like 2005 preseason did. So it has been 15 years. Time flies. Back then I remember feeling we are a legit chance of winning a premiership. I feel the same way about 2021.The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 09 Nov 2020 8:40pm Ok be fair dinkum...
Has anyone been looking forward to a season as much as this one in the last 10 years ?
and our list is still not stamped.
sorry to waste a thread on this but I'm stoked and looking forward to even a better year of quality football.
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Re: 2021
Very true Firey. 2021 is exciting for a number of reasons. No less a simple build on 2020. I want to see Crouch & Higgins fit in and add to our mix.
I want to marvel at the ruck work of Ryder and how he works in tandem with Marshall.
I want to watch Bytel, Clavarino, King develop and announce themselves.
I look forward to Clark, Coffield & Paton take further steps to All Australians.
I look forward to watching our young defence lock down, support each other and attack whether that is through the middle or through the wings using Hill, Jones, Battle and Billings.
I have enormous faith in Ratten & Roughead building belief, standards and expectation within the club.
My fingers are crossed for the 20's to be the most successful era in St Kilda's history.
I want to marvel at the ruck work of Ryder and how he works in tandem with Marshall.
I want to watch Bytel, Clavarino, King develop and announce themselves.
I look forward to Clark, Coffield & Paton take further steps to All Australians.
I look forward to watching our young defence lock down, support each other and attack whether that is through the middle or through the wings using Hill, Jones, Battle and Billings.
I have enormous faith in Ratten & Roughead building belief, standards and expectation within the club.
My fingers are crossed for the 20's to be the most successful era in St Kilda's history.
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Re: 2021
setting a pretty low bar there ghostGhost Like wrote: ↑Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:00am My fingers are crossed for the 20's to be the most successful era in St Kilda's history.
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Re: 2021
Sadly desert, our club set that bardesertsaint wrote: ↑Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:38amsetting a pretty low bar there ghostGhost Like wrote: ↑Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:00am My fingers are crossed for the 20's to be the most successful era in St Kilda's history.![]()
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Re: 2021
playing at Etihad - our fortress.
We have loaded up with skilfull and fast players - with King and Marshall lurking up in the forward line - could be super exciting.
We have loaded up with skilfull and fast players - with King and Marshall lurking up in the forward line - could be super exciting.
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Re: 2021
made hard work of getting into the finals. Sloppy last quarter against Dogs when we had them on their knees. Lost games that good sides don't. No established CHF or CHB. We have issues. Its promising after such a bleak period but I can't get quite so excited.
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Re: 2021
Yes, far from perfect but where we came from though...
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Re: 2021
Yep. We’re where many good teams before us have been only to fall away and implode in a disastrous manner
The single greatest challenge in AFL IMO is correctly assessing the value of players... both already on the list and those your bringing in.
Overall... the status of our list has quite a lot to like and even more to be concerned about
We had a good year but we’re found wanting for depth. Especially when it mattered
We have no viable ruck back up or a particularly promising developing one
We had no one to cover Carlisle when he wasn’t around... and as good as Howard is, he’s not good enough to do it alone yet.
Our mids are ok but have lacked elite grunt, polish and menace
We didn’t solve the small forwards conundrum
And... there are a lot of players on the total list that need to be turned over... guys that have never been sustained top22 and pbly won’t ever be... or alternatively, those that have talent but don’t give the bang for the buck
It’s exciting because we have a really decent top 25... maybe even 28 with our additions but it falls away very quickly after that
It’s okay to top up a bit or recruit to need but we desperately need to upgrade on our depth, continue bringing in good kids and make sure we retain the right depth players
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Re: 2021
I am cautiously optimistic about 2021.
I think we are still a couple of players short from really challenging the top 4.
It is a pity that we just don't have the cash for Treloar because he could have been one of them.
A true end to end running machine, who runs both ways and wins at lot of the ball.
Sure he butchers it a bit but when you have a midfield with pace and clearance grunt it doesn't matter so much as you back your mids to win it back.
The other player we need is an extra key defender.
Maybe Clavarino could be that player but we have no idea if he can even cut it at AFL level yet.
The good news though is that Crouch allows us to rotate Gresh and Billings through the forwards more a major improvement on Kent, Hind or Parker.
If we can also bring in Higgins then our rotations means we only carry one specialist small forward in Butler.
This not only improves the personnel we have available but also makes us harder to match up on as we have a number of players who have a bit of flexibility.
I think we are still a couple of players short from really challenging the top 4.
It is a pity that we just don't have the cash for Treloar because he could have been one of them.
A true end to end running machine, who runs both ways and wins at lot of the ball.
Sure he butchers it a bit but when you have a midfield with pace and clearance grunt it doesn't matter so much as you back your mids to win it back.
The other player we need is an extra key defender.
Maybe Clavarino could be that player but we have no idea if he can even cut it at AFL level yet.
The good news though is that Crouch allows us to rotate Gresh and Billings through the forwards more a major improvement on Kent, Hind or Parker.
If we can also bring in Higgins then our rotations means we only carry one specialist small forward in Butler.
This not only improves the personnel we have available but also makes us harder to match up on as we have a number of players who have a bit of flexibility.
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Re: 2021
Well said "Phantom", couldn't agree more, especially about the influence of Ratten & Roughead which will be a massive factor to achieve greater success in 2021.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:00am Very true Firey. 2021 is exciting for a number of reasons. No less a simple build on 2020. I want to see Crouch & Higgins fit in and add to our mix.
I want to marvel at the ruck work of Ryder and how he works in tandem with Marshall.
I want to watch Bytel, Clavarino, King develop and announce themselves.
I look forward to Clark, Coffield & Paton take further steps to All Australians.
I look forward to watching our young defence lock down, support each other and attack whether that is through the middle or through the wings using Hill, Jones, Battle and Billings.
I have enormous faith in Ratten & Roughead building belief, standards and expectation within the club.
My fingers are crossed for the 20's to be the most successful era in St Kilda's history.
The other players that I believe will step up even further are Dougal Howard, Jake Carlisle and Callum Wilkie in defence, not to mention the cut through work of Jade Gresham, Dan Butler and Jack Higgins.
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Re: 2021
Depth is no longer possible.skeptic wrote: ↑Tue 10 Nov 2020 2:32pmYep. We’re where many good teams before us have been only to fall away and implode in a disastrous manner
The single greatest challenge in AFL IMO is correctly assessing the value of players... both already on the list and those your bringing in.
Overall... the status of our list has quite a lot to like and even more to be concerned about
We had a good year but we’re found wanting for depth. Especially when it mattered
We have no viable ruck back up or a particularly promising developing one
We had no one to cover Carlisle when he wasn’t around... and as good as Howard is, he’s not good enough to do it alone yet.
Our mids are ok but have lacked elite grunt, polish and menace
We didn’t solve the small forwards conundrum
And... there are a lot of players on the total list that need to be turned over... guys that have never been sustained top22 and pbly won’t ever be... or alternatively, those that have talent but don’t give the bang for the buck
It’s exciting because we have a really decent top 25... maybe even 28 with our additions but it falls away very quickly after that
It’s okay to top up a bit or recruit to need but we desperately need to upgrade on our depth, continue bringing in good kids and make sure we retain the right depth players
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Re: 2021
Let's not forget that Josh Battle can hold down a key position. So we have Carlisle, Howard, Battle, and King, with Marshall spending half his time in the forward line. That's not a terrible situation to be in, don't you think? If I was sure
Clavarino could develop well enough to replace Carlisle, I'd be happier, though.
Most clubs don't have sufficient depth in the key positions.
Clavarino could develop well enough to replace Carlisle, I'd be happier, though.
Most clubs don't have sufficient depth in the key positions.
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Re: 2021
ok let's take into account that the team that played this year were playing under a new coach , new players.. once they learn to Gel these problems will disappear.
Also take into account that our young champions are just that..young..hard to believe but they are odds on to improve and lets not mention the influx of new talent for 2021.
I simply can't share your pessimism.