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Re: Seb Ross
Was a handy player in an ordinary team Seb, gets a fair bit of the footy but not damaging enough & decision making questionable.
If we're going to challenge, we need to have some quality in the midfield, not rely on mids that lack skill to play a negating role.
You don't see Geelong or Richmond tag, they back their mids because they're quality!!
If we're going to challenge, we need to have some quality in the midfield, not rely on mids that lack skill to play a negating role.
You don't see Geelong or Richmond tag, they back their mids because they're quality!!
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Re: Seb Ross
Agreed, good solid B grade AFL mid and by all reports great bloke and very solid citizen.
Would prefer he stayed but may see the writing on the wall in regard to the style of mid we are now recruiting.
As much as I like Seb, I do believe he is the type of player we can afford to lose and if the return is worth it and the salary dump helps recruiting then so be it.
Shame we couldn't swap Seb as a package including for a players like Saad or Merrett who would be a good fit.
It would be ironic if Caldwell went to the Bombers then found himself behind a bunch of midfield recruits from other clubs including the saints.
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Re: Seb Ross
If Seb going lets us bring in a guy who has more skill and gets us closer to the dream, then he wins and we win.
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Re: Seb Ross
Ratts stated straight after the finals that he wants more class in the midfield, so the writing is on the wall for honest worker types. Steele is easily the best of our midfield bunch, but Ross and Dunstan can't be in the same team. Bytel will most likely just get better and is a strong mid with clean disposal. Should be interesting to see what develops.
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Re: Seb Ross
If this true then it may be an indication that the club is actually developing some pragmatic ruthlessness. As others have said, a good solid citizen but not A grade. Too much ball butchering to be A grade. Dunstan and Seb are both RFA’s next year so if they’re going to be traded now is the time to maximise whatever value we may receive for them.
I saw the term PFA yesterday - pre free agent - referring to players who are going to be RFAs at the end the following season and that clubs are now looking to trade players out as PFAs rather than losing them for nix. If Luke and Seb were to walk as RFAs what recompense would the AFL give us? Second rounder for Seb maybe. Third rounder for Luke?
If they are both traded in pursuit of genuine class then that’s the kind of attitude needed to take the next step.
I saw the term PFA yesterday - pre free agent - referring to players who are going to be RFAs at the end the following season and that clubs are now looking to trade players out as PFAs rather than losing them for nix. If Luke and Seb were to walk as RFAs what recompense would the AFL give us? Second rounder for Seb maybe. Third rounder for Luke?
If they are both traded in pursuit of genuine class then that’s the kind of attitude needed to take the next step.
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Re: Seb Ross
I’m a bit weary...
Ross for all of his faults was one of our better players across two finals games.
Experience matters on the big stage and Ross stood up IMO.
Be interesting to see what the offers are...
I like that Merrett kid
Ross for all of his faults was one of our better players across two finals games.
Experience matters on the big stage and Ross stood up IMO.
Be interesting to see what the offers are...
I like that Merrett kid
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Re: Seb Ross
Seb Ross took a long time to become a good player, leading to several B & Fs in the years that St Kilda languished out of the top 8, but has disappointingly failed to elevate his game further to be an impact player since.
At 28 next year he is not likely to improve and with Crouch coming into the midfield next year may well find it impossible to hang on to his place in the team.
All of the AFLs best midfielders are "impact" players and St Kilda needs more than Steele, Crouch and Jones if they're going to win another premiership.
So if indeed Seb decides to find another home that's fine by me.
At 28 next year he is not likely to improve and with Crouch coming into the midfield next year may well find it impossible to hang on to his place in the team.
All of the AFLs best midfielders are "impact" players and St Kilda needs more than Steele, Crouch and Jones if they're going to win another premiership.
So if indeed Seb decides to find another home that's fine by me.
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Re: Seb Ross
Probably a second rounder.
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Re: Seb Ross
I wouldn't put much weight in those comments by Garry Lyon.
I don't think we are trading him
I don't think we are trading him
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Re: Seb Ross
Depends on the value received. We need to strengthen the mid field and while Crouch is an upgrade depth wise we would not get better trading Ross - UNLESS the return provides greater benefit moving forward.
Probably second round pick where Ess sit , or even 15 & Ross for 8?
Probably second round pick where Ess sit , or even 15 & Ross for 8?
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Re: Seb Ross
Don't listen to SEN, does Lyon still work with uncle Tim?Viscount Jeremiah wrote: ↑Thu 29 Oct 2020 12:14pm I wouldn't put much weight in those comments by Garry Lyon.
I don't think we are trading him
If so uncle Tim might have spilled some gossip?
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Re: Seb Ross
Granted, but don’t overlook Gresham and Clark as impact players. There is a fair bit of creativity there to complement the grunt of the others. You need playmakers as well as grunt.
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Re: Seb Ross
I think to be honest... I reckon Ross’ value most likely exceeds what he will attract on the open market.
He played a lot better in the second half of the season post retiring from injury.
I think I’m happy for him to play with a higher degree of pressure to retain his spot. My personal opinion is that he has at times looked a little too comfortable out there which perhaps has stopped him elevating his game to the standard it could get to
There is a huge difference between his consistent standard games and his really good ones.
Want to see more of the latter or let him be overtaken
He played a lot better in the second half of the season post retiring from injury.
I think I’m happy for him to play with a higher degree of pressure to retain his spot. My personal opinion is that he has at times looked a little too comfortable out there which perhaps has stopped him elevating his game to the standard it could get to
There is a huge difference between his consistent standard games and his really good ones.
Want to see more of the latter or let him be overtaken
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Re: Seb Ross
Isn’t Ross on squillions?
Could be a salary cap dump to try and get others in.
Could be a salary cap dump to try and get others in.
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Re: Seb Ross
I tend to agree. If he's our 4th to 6th best midfielder then we are starting to get the depth of quality mids we need to become a sustainable top 4 side.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 29 Oct 2020 12:26pm I think to be honest... I reckon Ross’ value most likely exceeds what he will attract on the open market.
He played a lot better in the second half of the season post retiring from injury.
I think I’m happy for him to play with a higher degree of pressure to retain his spot. My personal opinion is that he has at times looked a little too comfortable out there which perhaps has stopped him elevating his game to the standard it could get to
There is a huge difference between his consistent standard games and his really good ones.
Want to see more of the latter or let him be overtaken
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Re: Seb Ross
I agree. Gotta have depth. And competition for spots raises the standards.Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 29 Oct 2020 12:40pmI tend to agree. If he's our 4th to 6th best midfielder then we are starting to get the depth of quality mids we need to become a sustainable top 4 side.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 29 Oct 2020 12:26pm I think to be honest... I reckon Ross’ value most likely exceeds what he will attract on the open market.
He played a lot better in the second half of the season post retiring from injury.
I think I’m happy for him to play with a higher degree of pressure to retain his spot. My personal opinion is that he has at times looked a little too comfortable out there which perhaps has stopped him elevating his game to the standard it could get to
There is a huge difference between his consistent standard games and his really good ones.
Want to see more of the latter or let him be overtaken
The other thing is, Essendon will probably offer their window cleaner as a possible trade for Ross. Last club we should be dealing with.
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Re: Seb Ross
"Watson responded to the suggestion, saying he hadn’t heard anything from his nephew regarding his future at the Saints.
“I haven’t heard anything about that (rumour),” he said.
“I wouldn’t expect him to give me a call and ask me anyways, Seb is very closed-shop and doesn’t give me anything.
“I haven't heard anything along those lines.”
“I haven’t heard anything about that (rumour),” he said.
“I wouldn’t expect him to give me a call and ask me anyways, Seb is very closed-shop and doesn’t give me anything.
“I haven't heard anything along those lines.”
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Re: Seb Ross
Not a great loss if true.
At this point he is just midfield depth, not great skills and doesn't hurt the opposition.
He has been passed by numerous players in the current side, no surprise if he was looking at jumping to a weaker team.
At this point he is just midfield depth, not great skills and doesn't hurt the opposition.
He has been passed by numerous players in the current side, no surprise if he was looking at jumping to a weaker team.
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