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I think what Vortex is saying, is that whilst we had a great win vs GWS, we won only 2 of the last 5, and were slipping down the ladder. Extrapolate that record for another 5 matches and we finish on 12 wins, which is right on the edge, and in 2016 wasn't enough. Hopefully, the confidence gained from the GWS win will change that trend.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
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takeaway wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 8:32amI think what Vortex is saying, is that whilst we had a great win vs GWS, we won only 2 of the last 5, and were slipping down the ladder. Extrapolate that record for another 5 matches and we finish on 12 wins, which is right on the edge, and in 2016 wasn't enough. Hopefully, the confidence gained from the GWS win will change that trend.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Cut him some slack, he did say he aint no Hawkins.
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Vortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
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Of course, those same factors apply to the team's below us too.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Looking at the last five games on form and opposition played, the Bulldogs are in good form. We test that next week. Collingwood and Melbourne are about a 50/50 chance with a poorer record across the year against quality opposition and it falls away steeply from there.
So either poor theory, bias or trolling are far more likely the motivation of the above statement, rather than insight or intellect. Go figure.
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Really makes me sad that we sacked Richo...Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
His results are so much better than Ratten’s ever could be and we owe our best season in 8 years not to the current group of players and staff but to the developmental efforts of the 5 mediocre years before hand.
Was speaking to Jack Steele about this and he said that those years drilled into our players the lesson of what not to do so well that when he has a decision to make, he asks himself ‘would an idiot do this?’ And if the answer is yes... he does not do that thing.
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It seemed like we really clicked sometimes, and other times, it just looked hopeless, as if a switch had been flicked.
I’m sure the coaches were doing everything they could but, boy, it was a bumpy ride. But we landed on our feet, incredibly. And although the bullies are the form team compared to us, I think we are a good chance to win one or two finals!! Amazing to say it.
I’m sure the coaches were doing everything they could but, boy, it was a bumpy ride. But we landed on our feet, incredibly. And although the bullies are the form team compared to us, I think we are a good chance to win one or two finals!! Amazing to say it.
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We've fallen into finals!?!?!!?
We have only been beaten properly TWICE this year. Every other game we have been in it up to our eyeballs and our percentage (and win/loss) reflects that... This year has been fantastic for our fast-tracked development and I for one cannot wait to see what we get up to under the roof next year. Before we get to 2021 though, we aren't making up the numbers and I'm sure the Bulldogs would be keenly aware of that fact. Up the Sainters!
We have only been beaten properly TWICE this year. Every other game we have been in it up to our eyeballs and our percentage (and win/loss) reflects that... This year has been fantastic for our fast-tracked development and I for one cannot wait to see what we get up to under the roof next year. Before we get to 2021 though, we aren't making up the numbers and I'm sure the Bulldogs would be keenly aware of that fact. Up the Sainters!
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I had a look at the Bulldogs fan site. The fans are very nervous. Definitely see us as favourites. Our ruck combo and forwards particularly. (Couldn't help noticing how polite they all were to each other either, lol - God help any of them accidentally stumbling into this madhouse!)
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Ha...the natural order of disorder .. Personally, I have Disorder Dysphoria Disorder , the old DDD!!
Yep, I haven’t been in forums until last year, and I was surprised at how polite and humble fans are over at the Footy Site.
Sure feels different from going to the footy as a young teen in the late 70s.
Bulldogs are nervous but they should be, as we should. Feels like they have more pressure in some sense because they were there last year and got beaten badly.but maybe that pressure may help them?
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Vortex was baiting/trolling/or being half serious so I was just making equally ridiculous comments.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:48pmOf course, those same factors apply to the team's below us too.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Looking at the last five games on form and opposition played, the Bulldogs are in good form. We test that next week. Collingwood and Melbourne are about a 50/50 chance with a poorer record across the year against quality opposition and it falls away steeply from there.
So either poor theory, bias or trolling are far more likely the motivation of the above statement, rather than insight or intellect. Go figure.
I think our systems/coaching/talent/leadership and or best football is worthy of where we finished
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It's interesting you know Pollop, as you know I watch the footy with the sound UP, but due to the Astersisk Cup there hasn't been much noise anyway so my footy knowledge has been diluted and as such I've been able to understand some of your half serious comments at times. I must admit though, I struggle to tell the difference between your half and full serious work.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 5:45amVortex was baiting/trolling/or being half serious so I was just making equally ridiculous comments.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:48pmOf course, those same factors apply to the team's below us too.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Looking at the last five games on form and opposition played, the Bulldogs are in good form. We test that next week. Collingwood and Melbourne are about a 50/50 chance with a poorer record across the year against quality opposition and it falls away steeply from there.
So either poor theory, bias or trolling are far more likely the motivation of the above statement, rather than insight or intellect. Go figure.
I think our systems/coaching/talent/leadership and or best football is worthy of where we finished
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Certainly hoping for your sake it wasn't post the below gems as it would be pretty difficult to go below SFA
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Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 24 Oct 2019 12:18pm Not sure why King would be in the team for round 1, he's going to need a few games at Sandy first and earn his way to the AFL grade, he probably has to prove he's physically up to it as well.
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 17 Jan 2020 1:22pm The odds are very high that not all 5 of our traded recruits will become best 22 players.
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 09 Mar 2020 2:03pm
No Howard misses out as we will be too tall otherwise. Remember I have Jake, Josh and Wilkie in. Another tall makes us too tall and those three have earnt their spot for R1.
I have Ryder and Marshall rotating in the FWD line. Kent doesn't get a game for R1. He's got a battle on his hands to get in the side.
Fagan has the same problem at the lions, got new recruits but they can't all fit in the side. Howard will get his opportunity.
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 12 Mar 2020 8:40am So my logic is Carslise, Battle and Wilkie are in front of him, yes Dougal played better in the 2nd game but someone has to miss out.
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Scollop, it's quite obvious that Vortex most recently masqueraded as Secret Kiel, I notice in a recent post that he/she made a disparaging reference again to the Asterisk Cup, a dead give away, why anyone would bother engaging in discussions on any topic with Vortex beats me...Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 5:45amVortex was baiting/trolling/or being half serious so I was just making equally ridiculous comments.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:48pmOf course, those same factors apply to the team's below us too.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Looking at the last five games on form and opposition played, the Bulldogs are in good form. We test that next week. Collingwood and Melbourne are about a 50/50 chance with a poorer record across the year against quality opposition and it falls away steeply from there.
So either poor theory, bias or trolling are far more likely the motivation of the above statement, rather than insight or intellect. Go figure.
I think our systems/coaching/talent/leadership and or best football is worthy of where we finished
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So it's not the Asterisk Cup? I thought that was the official name. What are they going to call it now? Covid Cup, Hub Cup? The AFL will need to make a decision soon. I think over time "Asterisk Cup" will be the name that sticks.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 3:24pmScollop, it's quite obvious that Vortex most recently masqueraded as Secret Kiel, I notice in a recent post that he/she made a disparaging reference again to the Asterisk Cup, a dead give away, why anyone would bother engaging in discussions on any topic with Vortex beats me...Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 5:45amVortex was baiting/trolling/or being half serious so I was just making equally ridiculous comments.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:48pmOf course, those same factors apply to the team's below us too.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 25 Sep 2020 2:02pmVortex is right. There’s enough evidence to suggest that we were fortunate to have won so many games. Had the umpires not assisted us in a handful of games at crucial moments and had the opposition not had such bad timing with injuries we may not have even won all those 10. In fact when you look at the way Freo and North beat us after we were over 6 goals up against them, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. We were lucky we didn’t win the wooden spoonJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 8:33pmNow I'm no Stephen Hawking, but 10 wins from 17 matches is around a 59% winning ratio when extrapolated to 22 matches that % gives us 13 wins, the number of wins that gets you 6th or 7th place every year.
Looking at the last five games on form and opposition played, the Bulldogs are in good form. We test that next week. Collingwood and Melbourne are about a 50/50 chance with a poorer record across the year against quality opposition and it falls away steeply from there.
So either poor theory, bias or trolling are far more likely the motivation of the above statement, rather than insight or intellect. Go figure.
I think our systems/coaching/talent/leadership and or best football is worthy of where we finished
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Of course, this thread may have expired. It’s useful half-life cup hath run over.
I wonder whether the change to Adelaide and back to the Gabba may have an influence on selection but that maybe stretching it.
I lay these Three ground breaking, earth shattering contentions...
1) Surely Lonie’s knee will come up.
2) they won’t make any radical changes
3) the second quarter, in keeping with this season, maybe goalless, and in this period, whoever sets up right will win.
So utterly drained of input I am afraid. I hate this break and think it should never have been introduced.
Talk about a way to evaporate interest.
I wonder whether the change to Adelaide and back to the Gabba may have an influence on selection but that maybe stretching it.
I lay these Three ground breaking, earth shattering contentions...
1) Surely Lonie’s knee will come up.
2) they won’t make any radical changes
3) the second quarter, in keeping with this season, maybe goalless, and in this period, whoever sets up right will win.
So utterly drained of input I am afraid. I hate this break and think it should never have been introduced.
Talk about a way to evaporate interest.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Of course, this thread may have expired. It’s useful half-life cup hath run over.
I wonder whether the change to Adelaide and back to the Gabba may have an influence on selection but that maybe stretching it.
I lay these Three ground breaking, earth shattering contentions...
1) Surely Lonie’s knee will come up.
2) they won’t make any radical changes
3) the second quarter, in keeping with this season, maybe goalless, and in this period, whoever sets up right will win.
So utterly drained of input I am afraid. I hate this break and think it should never have been introduced.
Talk about a way to evaporate interest.
I wonder whether the change to Adelaide and back to the Gabba may have an influence on selection but that maybe stretching it.
I lay these Three ground breaking, earth shattering contentions...
1) Surely Lonie’s knee will come up.
2) they won’t make any radical changes
3) the second quarter, in keeping with this season, maybe goalless, and in this period, whoever sets up right will win.
So utterly drained of input I am afraid. I hate this break and think it should never have been introduced.
Talk about a way to evaporate interest.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Yeah, yeah. heard you the first time. No need to repeat yourself.
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I think we can safely pull the plug on Vortex's theories and watch them swirl down the pug hole.
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I thought dredging up old posts to start flame wars by trolling and baiting was against the rules. Maybe not. Maybe I might go back and dredge up some of your posts regarding racism and your outdated views on the indigenous. It's becuase of your views on racism that I have you on foe. I suggest you put me on foe too.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 1:39pmCertainly hoping for your sake it wasn't post the below gems as it would be pretty difficult to go below SFA![]()
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 24 Oct 2019 12:18pm Not sure why King would be in the team for round 1, he's going to need a few games at Sandy first and earn his way to the AFL grade, he probably has to prove he's physically up to it as well.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 17 Jan 2020 1:22pm The odds are very high that not all 5 of our traded recruits will become best 22 players.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 09 Mar 2020 2:03pm
No Howard misses out as we will be too tall otherwise. Remember I have Jake, Josh and Wilkie in. Another tall makes us too tall and those three have earnt their spot for R1.
I have Ryder and Marshall rotating in the FWD line. Kent doesn't get a game for R1. He's got a battle on his hands to get in the side.
Fagan has the same problem at the lions, got new recruits but they can't all fit in the side. Howard will get his opportunity.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 12 Mar 2020 8:40am So my logic is Carslise, Battle and Wilkie are in front of him, yes Dougal played better in the 2nd game but someone has to miss out.
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I think you've got the Vortex into a spin. Hopefully he doesn't spin too hard and his head doesn't fly offJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Sat 26 Sep 2020 1:39pmCertainly hoping for your sake it wasn't post the below gems as it would be pretty difficult to go below SFA![]()
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 24 Oct 2019 12:18pm Not sure why King would be in the team for round 1, he's going to need a few games at Sandy first and earn his way to the AFL grade, he probably has to prove he's physically up to it as well.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 17 Jan 2020 1:22pm The odds are very high that not all 5 of our traded recruits will become best 22 players.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 09 Mar 2020 2:03pm
No Howard misses out as we will be too tall otherwise. Remember I have Jake, Josh and Wilkie in. Another tall makes us too tall and those three have earnt their spot for R1.
I have Ryder and Marshall rotating in the FWD line. Kent doesn't get a game for R1. He's got a battle on his hands to get in the side.
Fagan has the same problem at the lions, got new recruits but they can't all fit in the side. Howard will get his opportunity.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Thu 12 Mar 2020 8:40am So my logic is Carslise, Battle and Wilkie are in front of him, yes Dougal played better in the 2nd game but someone has to miss out.