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2021 list reductions
From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
I’m with what Clarko briefly floated earlier in the year. I want bigger lists 50 perhaps even if it means the bottom 20 get paid sweet fa at least they have a chance to chase their dreams. Have a complete reserves competition that is televised on Kayo and FOXTEL. They play as curtain raisers. I know I would watch our reserves matches, on a Thursday and Friday night I would love to watch the ressies match at 5
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Re: 2021 list reductions
The only way you’re goi got see that is by getting in your time machine and going back 20 years. I do miss being able to watch the last quarter of the reserves before the main game.Goose is king wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 6:11pm I’m with what Clarko briefly floated earlier in the year. I want bigger lists 50 perhaps even if it means the bottom 20 get paid sweet fa at least they have a chance to chase their dreams. Have a complete reserves competition that is televised on Kayo and FOXTEL. They play as curtain raisers. I know I would watch our reserves matches, on a Thursday and Friday night I would love to watch the ressies match at 5
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Re: 2021 list reductions
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I’m with what Clarko briefly floated earlier in the year. I want bigger lists 50 perhaps even if it means the bottom 20 get paid sweet fa at least they have a chance to chase their dreams. Have a complete reserves competition that is televised on Kayo and FOXTEL. They play as curtain raisers. I know I would watch our reserves matches, on a Thursday and Friday night I would love to watch the ressies match at 5
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The only way you’re goi got see that is by getting in your time machine and going back 20 years. I do miss being able to watch the last quarter of the reserves before the main game.
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I’m convinced there would be a market for the ressies.
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I’m with what Clarko briefly floated earlier in the year. I want bigger lists 50 perhaps even if it means the bottom 20 get paid sweet fa at least they have a chance to chase their dreams. Have a complete reserves competition that is televised on Kayo and FOXTEL. They play as curtain raisers. I know I would watch our reserves matches, on a Thursday and Friday night I would love to watch the ressies match at 5
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The only way you’re goi got see that is by getting in your time machine and going back 20 years. I do miss being able to watch the last quarter of the reserves before the main game.
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I’m convinced there would be a market for the ressies.
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Re: 2021 list reductions
But chicken little has been running around this forum for months telling us we’ll have to cut 15 players?
Don’t tell me he was just talking crap as usual?!?
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Yes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Well, that is far from the f****** 10 to 15 player reduction you have been spruiker for weeks.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Ok look I'm not good with numbers unless it's legal tender however let's back over it, 5 this year, 5 next year and 1 to 5 the following year, can you add that up for me.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:56pmWell, that is far from the f****** 10 to 15 player reduction you have been spruiker for weeks.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Where had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Find your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Ah yes, like usual, just making stuff upSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
you made that crap up afaic.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
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Re: 2021 list reductions
LOL, he/she is the biggest bulls*** artist the forum has ever seen.The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:06pmAh yes, like usual, just making stuff upSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
Wot I said.
Link?
Where’s the list at...
No season
No crowds
Mass injuries
Refusing to watch games
TV ratings down
Teams not trying
No debutants
And now...
Massive list cuts
The ‘SK fails’ list is getting quite lengthy!
What are the ‘trolling’ rules on here again?![]()
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Re: 2021 list reductions
‘Vertical marketing’ or something like that I believeJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:39pmLOL, he/she is the biggest bulls*** artist the forum has ever seen.The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:06pmAh yes, like usual, just making stuff upSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
Wot I said.
Link?
Where’s the list at...
No season
No crowds
Mass injuries
Refusing to watch games
TV ratings down
Teams not trying
No debutants
And now...
Massive list cuts
The ‘SK fails’ list is getting quite lengthy!
What are the ‘trolling’ rules on here again?![]()
What about the cr@p it was spinning pre-season about Corona Beer and selling his/her marketing expertise to the Saints![]()
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Re: 2021 list reductions
You can say that again Joffa, there's also his numerous predictions of doom and gloom about "insolvency experts" going to be called in by St Kilda FC receivers next year, and the AFL going broke. Absolute rubbishJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:39pmLOL, he/she is the biggest bulls*** artist the forum has ever seen.The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:06pmAh yes, like usual, just making stuff upSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
Wot I said.
Link?
Where’s the list at...
No season
No crowds
Mass injuries
Refusing to watch games
TV ratings down
Teams not trying
No debutants
And now...
Massive list cuts
The ‘SK fails’ list is getting quite lengthy!
What are the ‘trolling’ rules on here again?![]()
What about the cr@p it was spinning pre-season about Corona Beer and selling his/her marketing expertise to the Saints![]()
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Re: 2021 list reductions
i like him
he had my favourite subject on that list
... tanking
whats not to like
he had my favourite subject on that list
... tanking
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Re: 2021 list reductions
You missed “The Asterix Cup”The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 9:06pmAh yes, like usual, just making stuff upSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:48pmFind your own link SellysThe_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 8:46pmWhere had it said anywhere the AFL are cutting lists to 35 or below?Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 7:51pmYes you did say staging. However if the HS "understands correctly, it will be a reduction of about 5 this year which most clubs will achieve easily due to natural attrition of contracts and then another 5 the following season and that brings it down to around 35. By 2022 we we'll then know more about how deep the recession is cutting in and whether a further reduction below 35 is needed.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 5:55pm From herald sun.com.au
"Meanwhile, the Herald Sun understands club lists will only be reduced by a small number of players for 2021 as coaches including Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson push the league for clarity.
AFL football boss Steve Hocking said on Saturday any cut would likely be a staged approach in discussions with the AFLPA.
Clubs will likely only have to move on a handful of rookies and older players to get under a list size of around 40, which would likely again be reduced for 2022."
Wot I said.
Link?
Where’s the list at...
No season
No crowds
Mass injuries
Refusing to watch games
TV ratings down
Teams not trying
No debutants
And now...
Massive list cuts
The ‘SK fails’ list is getting quite lengthy!
What are the ‘trolling’ rules on here again?![]()
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Re: 2021 list reductions
I'm having trouble picking the tanking this year, I was convinced Clarko was tanking and then we made them look like rock stars. Maybe Ratts was just helping a mate out by avoiding detection from the integrity unit.
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Re: 2021 list reductions
A 10% plus reduction in your workforce isn't exactly insignificant.
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I wouldn't like to have the only list reduced by 10%. That would be significant.
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Problem is if you pay SFA then wont be games as players will be finishing work at 5pmGoose is king wrote: ↑Tue 08 Sep 2020 6:11pm I’m with what Clarko briefly floated earlier in the year. I want bigger lists 50 perhaps even if it means the bottom 20 get paid sweet fa at least they have a chance to chase their dreams. Have a complete reserves competition that is televised on Kayo and FOXTEL. They play as curtain raisers. I know I would watch our reserves matches, on a Thursday and Friday night I would love to watch the ressies match at 5
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Re: 2021 list reductions
Accoss the 18 clubs the number is significant but in all honesty the business model of 44 to 45 on a list but only half get to play each week is a really poor business model if you look at in those terms and I suspect COVID could be leveraged from to reform the industry. Clearly tbe jungle drums have started beating as a result of Gils comments around list reductions.
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Re: 2021 list reductions
why flush an asset down the gurglerthe business model of 44 to 45 on a list but only half get to play each week is a really poor business model
turn the other half
into something else
something ,
a little different
but clearly and practically
feeding grounds for the big show
set the ‘style’ of game
to suit the participants
shorter : coz they’re still building fitness
nimble : coz they’re young ‘n wiry
sex symbol : coz speccies , candy ‘n torps
are the gary go
lean mean ‘n profit producing
even
play it mixed
out with retraction
in with expansion
Rome desperately needs more gladiatorial representation
not less
organise our youth
give em a format that suits their spunk
bonus
they’ll be ready to rock n roll
as the Chinese swarm outa their submarines
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Yeah agree, I think there is fertile ground to re invent the relationship with the 2nd tier comps. So many ways to do it but so many commercial impediments presently.asiu wrote: ↑Wed 09 Sep 2020 1:12pmwhy flush an asset down the gurglerthe business model of 44 to 45 on a list but only half get to play each week is a really poor business model
turn the other half
into something else
something ,
a little different
but clearly and practically
feeding grounds for the big show
set the ‘style’ of game
to suit the participants
shorter : coz they’re still building fitness
nimble : coz they’re young ‘n wiry
sex symbol : coz speccies , candy ‘n torps
are the gary go
lean mean ‘n profit producing
even
play it mixed
out with retraction
in with expansion
Rome desperately needs more gladiatorial representation
not less
organise our youth
give em a format that suits their spunk
bonus
they’ll be ready to rock n roll
as the Chinese swarm outa their submarines
The other elephant in the room with regards to list sizes is the salary cap reduction that is also coming. All this chat about the Saints having a war chest is intriguing. I think the change to the landscape will start to be revealed from October 25. The AFL are desperate to get this season completed and invoices issued and then address the mountain of debt and revenue raising issues.
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Re: 2021 list reductions
If lists were cut to 35 players (and I don't think the AFL will go that far) what happens when you have a bad injury year? Where do the top-ups come from so you can field a side? Affiliate clubs?