2020 Trade Period
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Zac Williams F/A, Jye Caldwell + GWS 2nd rd for our 1st rd 2020 , on trade that 2nd rounder to tigers for Ryley Collier-Dawkins......next year target Luke Davies-Uniacke
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Re: 2020 Trade Period
And yes there's the rub, though the advantage of Williams is that he is an RFA and so if GWS are tight for $ he comes as a free hit pickwise.
Caldwell would cost us our first pick.
Player wise I am not sure we have a lot that GWS need that we can afford to lose.
Not having a VFL this year hurts all clubs including S tKilda re fringe players to demonstrate value, and so reduces trade value.
One thing we do know is that we have a key lack and fixing that lack while not easy needs to be done if we are to progress. That is unless say Bytel and Byrnes step up in a dramatic manner, or maybe we somehow teach Jones how to use the ball better.
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We don't need to give up anyone. Grab Zak Williams and Crouch as FA's. Trade out Dunstan and another couple of players for picks and salary cap relief. Bundle picks together and move up the draft order. Take all picks to the Draft.
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Crouch??SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 1:25amWe don't need to give up anyone. Grab Zak Williams and Crouch as FA's. Trade out Dunstan and another couple of players for picks and salary cap relief. Bundle picks together and move up the draft order. Take all picks to the Draft.
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Yes Crouch. We need more midfield depth.Teflon wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 8:54pmCrouch??SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 1:25amWe don't need to give up anyone. Grab Zak Williams and Crouch as FA's. Trade out Dunstan and another couple of players for picks and salary cap relief. Bundle picks together and move up the draft order. Take all picks to the Draft.
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We do, but not Crouch. Keep Dunstan and whatever we'd have to give up for Crouch.SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 10:18pmYes Crouch. We need more midfield depth.Teflon wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 8:54pmCrouch??SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 1:25amWe don't need to give up anyone. Grab Zak Williams and Crouch as FA's. Trade out Dunstan and another couple of players for picks and salary cap relief. Bundle picks together and move up the draft order. Take all picks to the Draft.
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Hannerbury need a rehab partner?SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 10:18pmYes Crouch. We need more midfield depth.Teflon wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 8:54pmCrouch??SunnyErnest wrote: ↑Tue 01 Sep 2020 1:25amWe don't need to give up anyone. Grab Zak Williams and Crouch as FA's. Trade out Dunstan and another couple of players for picks and salary cap relief. Bundle picks together and move up the draft order. Take all picks to the Draft.
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On AFL Insider Colier-Dawkins & Coleman-Jones for Ross & a 2nd Rounder ,I reckon we need something added but the crazy times have started
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AFL Insider is well known not to be not so insidePADDLEPOP1001 wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 5:11pm On AFL Insider Colier-Dawkins & Coleman-Jones for Ross & a 2nd Rounder ,I reckon we need something added but the crazy times have started
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Fair enough sunshine!As I said in my post crazy times,however I will continue to put possible trades up because I believe that’s what this thread is about!
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From what I can tell so far all his info comes from footy forums.Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 5:58pmAFL Insider is well known not to be not so insidePADDLEPOP1001 wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 5:11pm On AFL Insider Colier-Dawkins & Coleman-Jones for Ross & a 2nd Rounder ,I reckon we need something added but the crazy times have started
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Seb Ross, Carlisle, Lonie would be at the top of the list. All could be valuable to the right suitor
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No probs knuckles!PADDLEPOP1001 wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 6:09pm Fair enough sunshine!As I said in my post crazy times,however I will continue to put possible trades up because I believe that’s what this thread is about!
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Mids need to be our first, second and third priority.
We need quality and depth in midfield to compete with the best sides in this league.
We need quality and depth in midfield to compete with the best sides in this league.
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Don't understand the fascination with Zac Williams. Would cost big dollars, is always injured and never see him tackle. Crouch similar but does do inside grunt work then turn it over. Would pass on both.
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Mids.
Caldwell isnt a bad bet because he was taken at about pick ten or eleven anyway. Our pick will be around that mark regardless. And only if there are no clues regarding this years draft anyway.
Williams would cost paaahlenty.
Crouch wanted a million a year last time. He makes Hannas look like value.
Caldwell isnt a bad bet because he was taken at about pick ten or eleven anyway. Our pick will be around that mark regardless. And only if there are no clues regarding this years draft anyway.
Williams would cost paaahlenty.
Crouch wanted a million a year last time. He makes Hannas look like value.
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Don’t ever forget it!Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 6:39pmNo probs knuckles!PADDLEPOP1001 wrote: ↑Wed 16 Sep 2020 6:09pm Fair enough sunshine!As I said in my post crazy times,however I will continue to put possible trades up because I believe that’s what this thread is about!![]()
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Jack Viney getting thrown around a bit.
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Viney would be good but can’t see him leaving dees
I heard he was p!ssed at losing VC but still can’t see it
I heard he was p!ssed at losing VC but still can’t see it
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Yeah, nah, maybe. Hmm.....
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Viney is gettable.
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Brilliant analysis I have analysed the situation very similar and I believe our brains trust would be thinking along the same lines.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Mon 31 Aug 2020 8:48pm Our ability to land a quality inside mid, whether young or older (but hopefully not ancient) is going to be pivotal to our fortunes over the next several seasons. We actually need 2 more gun mids if we wish to be a genuine contender.
We have many good to excellent young players and virtually every position is covered, but in the midfield we just lack so badly on the quantity of quality inside mids required. When you look at many teams we just do not have the quality in our emerging mids that we need to have.
Steele has been a huge tick for us this year.
Gresham has shown good promise, but at 23 while his best is yet to come he is not at the standard of some of the young mids of his age. Now I am not knocking Gresh, but as our current No 2 mid it is a worry.
Jones. If he had good disposal and particularly kicking he could be what we seek. But rare is the player who becomes a good kick at 26. His pace and aggression certainly helps to mix up our midfield ...
So after this we currently step down dramatically. Ross, Dunstan may all well be ok as fringe mids. But are not top 3/4 mids.
Hannas? Quality IF on the park. But is more outside than inside, and his injury record since joining us leaves little confidence that he will be a regular in 2021.
Bytel. Showed promise, but too early to no. Even moreso with Byrnes.
Hill. Purely an outside mid.
Billings. Good player, but not an out and out gun. I doubt that he could become an inside mid gun.
Clark and Coffield. Both have shown that they will be very good players for us. But whether they can be very good mids is completely unknown.
Sincs. I quite like him, but I think his games have shown that he is a good linking player destined to be a support player only. As our 21/22nd player he provides a god asset.
Marshall. While not a small midfielder we know that can win midfield ball including clearances. But he needs to complement some good inside mids, rather than be expected to be a midfield himself. Marshall is a huge asset for us.
UPSIDE
Marshall, Howard, Battle while already all good will be flying in 2 more seasons.
Max is very raw bodywise and he will be starting to hit his straps then.
When the ball bounces for 2023 Steele needs to have two gun inside mids to complement them or we will be wasting a very good set of talls. Hence why targeting some like Jaye now would be a good idea as to actually gain an inside mid in his prime is a very hard task. Recent history would indicate that they mainly have to choose you.
If would be amazing to land 2 gun ready to go mids for 2021. But it is most improbable. Landing one or two players that can become good mids is a much easier path.
PS Finishing the year on a good note will make it much easier to land the players we need. Such players we no doubt have already been in discussion with.
Get Jy Caldwell he is Saints boy at heart and we won’t be able to get him in 2/3 years look what we had to pay for Hill and he is a winger albeit an elite one.
Trade hard get rid of players that have to go and bring in young quality we are heading towards the window soon.
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If we can jag either Williams or Crouch as a FA I will be very happy. Then I would package up Carlisle and Dunstan and trade them to Hawthorn for their second round draft pick and on-trade to GWS for Jye Caldwell
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IMO I doubt Hawthorn would give up a second rounder for those two players and GWS would want a first rounder probably top 10 for Caldwell.SaintPelican66 wrote: ↑Thu 17 Sep 2020 1:45pm If we can jag either Williams or Crouch as a FA I will be very happy. Then I would package up Carlisle and Dunstan and trade them to Hawthorn for their second round draft pick and on-trade to GWS for Jye Caldwell
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