A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
Downa,
fantastic job. I reckon all of us has thought about doing something like that but couldn't be buggered.
I agree that some stats are just not very important.
I have a couple of questions.
If a guy takes a difficult forward mark and then kicks a difficult goal is that one or two impact points. For me that is 2. I think in my system I would have more points awarded. But of course that is very subjective.
Did Howard get a point for each successful defensive punched ball? (Howard beat their most important player).
I agree with everybody else that the replay is much more informative than the live. On the reply I really liked Hind and Kent's game much more.
I also noticed that we were much more physical than them. Funny I didn't expect that.
Again well done.
fantastic job. I reckon all of us has thought about doing something like that but couldn't be buggered.
I agree that some stats are just not very important.
I have a couple of questions.
If a guy takes a difficult forward mark and then kicks a difficult goal is that one or two impact points. For me that is 2. I think in my system I would have more points awarded. But of course that is very subjective.
Did Howard get a point for each successful defensive punched ball? (Howard beat their most important player).
I agree with everybody else that the replay is much more informative than the live. On the reply I really liked Hind and Kent's game much more.
I also noticed that we were much more physical than them. Funny I didn't expect that.
Again well done.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
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Very interesting DATJ. Out of interest, would Coffield score for placing himself between the line of the ball and Charlie Dixon, or would Howard get the point for a spoil from behind. Just wanted to gauge your opinion on that type of impact.
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It's a great point, CQ SAINT. And regrettably I don't have a suitable answer. Coffield should get some recognition for that situation - definitely, but it's just too difficult to assess on the screen. Some observers might think, 'Where's his opponent!' or something else. I wouldn't give a 'point' unless I was confident. On the other hand Howard would gain a point, or a half point depending on the significance (impact) of his action.
Very interesting DATJ. Out of interest, would Coffield score for placing himself between the line of the ball and Charlie Dixon, or would Howard get the point for a spoil from behind. Just wanted to gauge your opinion on that type of impact.
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It's a great point, CQ SAINT. And regrettably I don't have a suitable answer. Coffield should get some recognition for that situation - definitely, but it's just too difficult to assess on the screen. Some observers might think, 'Where's his opponent!' or something else. I wouldn't give a 'point' unless I was confident. On the other hand Howard would gain a point, or a half point depending on the significance (impact) of his action.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jul 2020 1:56amCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:30pmHey Scollop, Giving 'weight' to a player's action is not an easy task.Therefore my assessment may well differ from yours re the impact that Paton had. My ratings are completely subjective although I try very hard to be fair. I re-run (quite often several times) all actions that occur and endeavour to build a level of consistency.DownAtTheJunction wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jul 2020 6:30pm
It is worthy of note than not every kick (and mark) receives a score. A player has to show something or do something to score.
One other thing....I've highlighted a couple of sentences in the op....That's not fair on the defenders I thought Paton was brilliant when the heat was on in the second and third quarters
I might say that Paton did perform well - equal second of our backs behind Clark.
As for the detail, he had 6 specific impacts in Q1 for 4 points; 7 impacts (and one minor clanger) in Q2 for 4 points; 3 impacts for 1.5 points in Q3 and 3 impacts for 1.5 points in Q4.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
Thank you for your kind words, minneapolis. Your question about scoring is important.minneapolis wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jul 2020 4:17am Downa,
fantastic job. I reckon all of us has thought about doing something like that but couldn't be buggered.
I agree that some stats are just not very important.
I have a couple of questions.
If a guy takes a difficult forward mark and then kicks a difficult goal is that one or two impact points. For me that is 2. I think in my system I would have more points awarded. But of course that is very subjective.
Did Howard get a point for each successful defensive punched ball? (Howard beat their most important player).
I agree with everybody else that the replay is much more informative than the live. On the reply I really liked Hind and Kent's game much more.
I also noticed that we were much more physical than them. Funny I didn't expect that.
Again well done.
The essence of it is that I score 3 types of impact - lower, stronger and high. Usually these fan out as 0.5, 1 and 1.5 (Clangers are similarly graded).
I do award higher points for double impacts. An example of this would be Max King's pack mark in Q4. I gave him 1.5 points for it. He gained a further 1 point for kicking the goal. I do put a premium on goals so most would score 1 point. (A shot from 15 metres out may score 0.5) I hope that gives some clarity.
As for Howard - he had a total of 8 disposals yet accumulated 11 points - an excellent effort. Most of his spoils gave him points, whereas his kicks may not have. Rightly you point out that he had a very dangerous opponent. However factoring that into this assessment would prove too subjective for me.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
Nope. Champion Data is 49% owned by the AFL itself - last time I heard ... the contra is that the data is provided to the AFL and its clubs as part of the AFL's capital injection.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jul 2020 6:42pm Interesting analysis "DownAt", that must have taken you a lot of time! If stats are your skills set maybe you should offer the club your services - honorarily of course as they won't have the funds to pay for this...
I wonder how your process compares to that provided by Champion Data, which I imagine charges clubs for this data.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
DownAtTheJunction wrote: ↑Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:02pmNo doubt Wilkie did his job. He was on the dangerous Robbie Gray, who had 4 kicks, whilst Wilkie had 8. His job was to keep him quiet which he did.
Wilkie was unspectacular but effective. I have no doubt Brett Ratten was delighted. Alas my scoring system does not account for the unobtrusive.
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Re: A Detailed Look At Who Played Well
Very interesting DATJ. Out of interest, would Coffield score for placing himself between the line of the ball and Charlie Dixon, or would Howard get the point for a spoil from behind. Just wanted to gauge your opinion on that type of impact.
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It's a great point, CQ SAINT. And regrettably I don't have a suitable answer. Coffield should get some recognition for that situation - definitely, but it's just too difficult to assess on the screen. Some observers might think, 'Where's his opponent!' or something else. I wouldn't give a 'point' unless I was confident. On the other hand Howard would gain a point, or a half point depending on the significance (impact) of his action.
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Thanks for the answer. Fallible or not, I won't decide, but it certainly is a great breakdown and must have been a labour of love to collate.