This makes a lot of sense. Allow Marshall to rest in position during games, he strikes me as a player who thrives on work so let him play provided he is not sore or carrying an injury. Ryder & Abbott can alternate weeks if required to take the bulk of the centre bounces.nostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Thu 23 Jul 2020 8:28amAbbott should play for Ryder when Ryder needs a rest.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Thu 23 Jul 2020 12:43am Don’t be surprised to see Abbott at some stage with 4-5 day breaks.
With this stint of matches coming up I think we're going to really benefit from the recruitment of both ryder and Abbott.
Marshall one out every week would have been a massive slog.
So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 16885
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3580 times
- Been thanked: 2844 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1351
- Joined: Sat 06 Oct 2007 2:42pm
- Has thanked: 240 times
- Been thanked: 382 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
And turn the light off on the way out...
Best ruck duo we've had since King and Gardiner.
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 16885
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3580 times
- Been thanked: 2844 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
If they have time because I know Paddy is getting on... they’ll outshine those two
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 346
- Joined: Mon 20 Jul 2015 6:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 14 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
I focused on Paddy Ryder a fair bit throughout the game & he didn't disappoint.
All the best Paddy, really enjoyed your game tonight.
At the other end of the age spectrum Marshall generates plenty of class & enthusiasm keeping the whole show moving forward. And he kicks goals, a great young man for sure.
All the best Paddy, really enjoyed your game tonight.
At the other end of the age spectrum Marshall generates plenty of class & enthusiasm keeping the whole show moving forward. And he kicks goals, a great young man for sure.
- bigred
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11463
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 7:39am
- Has thanked: 25 times
- Been thanked: 609 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Ryder dominated Ladhams tonight. Absolutely torched him. 29 hitouts to 14.
When Marshall rucked, Ladhams just couldnt play him and gave away four free kicks. Roma had 11 hitouts, FOURTEEN contested touches and kicked two goals.
Our rucks dominated. Just absolutely smashed it.
When Marshall rucked, Ladhams just couldnt play him and gave away four free kicks. Roma had 11 hitouts, FOURTEEN contested touches and kicked two goals.
Our rucks dominated. Just absolutely smashed it.
"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
- johnearljames
- Club Player
- Posts: 995
- Joined: Tue 21 Jul 2020 1:25pm
- Has thanked: 102 times
- Been thanked: 155 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Worked very well tonight. You can see why Ryder was an AA in the past.
Want to watch the most boring and devious thing on television and probably in mankind's history, then tune into a daily live press conference at 11am.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1013
- Joined: Tue 20 Oct 2015 5:52pm
- Has thanked: 170 times
- Been thanked: 233 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Let's never forget just how awesome Paddy Ryder was last night; if there were any doubts about his playing ability, surely they were shattered after last night's effort.
The Ryder / Marshall combination worked an absolute treat last night - smashed them in the ruck and they combined for 4 goals, couldn't ask for more than that,
The Ryder / Marshall combination worked an absolute treat last night - smashed them in the ruck and they combined for 4 goals, couldn't ask for more than that,
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Yep, if your two rucks are half decent a side is infinitely better placed. The years of pondering Hickey or Longer, Longer or Hickey was a recurring dream I imagine a patient in an induced coma to have.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1351
- Joined: Sat 06 Oct 2007 2:42pm
- Has thanked: 240 times
- Been thanked: 382 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
If Paddy played against Freo IMO we would have won. Marshall should have dominated but he struggled, and we had no plan B and got killed out of the middle after Q time. Ryder would have made a huge difference.
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30089
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1233 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Mainly good. But Grundy gave us a bath. Goldstein was good too. Against Freo our ruck was not good.
So our losses have all been when our rucks were not good.
Marshall ha been a little slow to get going, but looks to have better adjusted to the shared role now.
The next 4 games is hopefully a stretch where we can almost lock in a finals appearance and fortunately the rucks of most of these teams is not flask. Wtts is a HO beast though, but not so good around the game.
We needs our rucks to be at the top of their game when we play the Cats to help give us the edge.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1295
- Joined: Mon 17 Oct 2011 7:19pm
- Has thanked: 612 times
- Been thanked: 398 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Yeah. You’re right but I meant last night. Let’s hope we can keep on keeping on.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jul 2020 3:02pmMainly good. But Grundy gave us a bath. Goldstein was good too. Against Freo our ruck was not good.
So our losses have all been when our rucks were not good.
Marshall ha been a little slow to get going, but looks to have better adjusted to the shared role now.
The next 4 games is hopefully a stretch where we can almost lock in a finals appearance and fortunately the rucks of most of these teams is not flask. Wtts is a HO beast though, but not so good around the game.
We needs our rucks to be at the top of their game when we play the Cats to help give us the edge.
- shanegrambeau
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5960
- Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
- Has thanked: 327 times
- Been thanked: 710 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Cornes put both Holla and Paddy in his top 5 for the game.
So the question begs, who would we have played instead - say if we had just one ruckman?
Was it partly due to injuries to Hanners and Dunstan that Paddy played? I suppose Hanners would have squeezed Parker out and Dunstan maybe Kent?
It's all hindsight now, but looking ahead, with no injuries I wonder what the selection honchos think about it.
So the question begs, who would we have played instead - say if we had just one ruckman?
Was it partly due to injuries to Hanners and Dunstan that Paddy played? I suppose Hanners would have squeezed Parker out and Dunstan maybe Kent?
It's all hindsight now, but looking ahead, with no injuries I wonder what the selection honchos think about it.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18579
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1904 times
- Been thanked: 841 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
Contributed four goals between them and we dominated the clearances. They compliment each other. Ryder, an elite tap ruckman, and Marshall, versatile enough to play as a forward or even a tall ruck rover.shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Tue 28 Jul 2020 12:47am Cornes put both Holla and Paddy in his top 5 for the game etc
Ryder seems hugely respected by his teammates. Did you see them get around him when he snapped his second goal?
Playing both doesn’t guarantee a win every week, but neither does playing only one of them (eg the Fremantle debacle).
It may not be fashionable or footy’s current paradigm, but I say play both.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18579
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1904 times
- Been thanked: 841 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
What is the story on Ryder? I read he copped an injury of some sort.
I think we need both him and Marshall fit and firing to go deep this season. A very strong ruck division is one of our key points of difference.
I think we need both him and Marshall fit and firing to go deep this season. A very strong ruck division is one of our key points of difference.
Last edited by bigcarl on Sun 02 Aug 2020 1:06pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2131
- Joined: Fri 22 Jul 2005 9:27am
- Location: Rockville
- Has thanked: 567 times
- Been thanked: 178 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
He had an ice pack on his hand as he was leaving the ground. Most likely just a precaution. Given the short turnarounds clubs will be starting recovery as soon as possible, so I don’t think an ice pack means much.
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one.
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2295
- Joined: Sun 27 Jan 2008 9:05am
- Has thanked: 769 times
- Been thanked: 207 times
Re: So what’s the verdict on the ruck?
I like playing the two of them a lot. When there is a center bounce I feel far more confident when Ryder is in their