No one is rubbing his nose in anything and only sympathy and affection for Jack has been expressed in this thread.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:31am At the risk of again being labelled "sanctimonious" when I suggested a few weeks ago that a former player coach with mental health issues should not be ridiculed, I again implore everyone to desist from rubbing Jack Steven's nose further into the dirt while he is down.
Mental health issues are a massive problem in today's society, especially when it is openly commented upon adversely on social media.
We should all butt out and leave the individual in peace to deal with his recovery. All the more so when no-one is in possession of the full facts in this case....and it is none of our business!
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
I agree that there has been plenty of support expressed in this thread roskilde, but refer to comments such as "at least he wasn't in drag" and equating his latest downfall justifying the low pick received by St Kilda, which are hardly complimentary.roskilde wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:47amNo one is rubbing his nose in anything and only sympathy and affection for Jack has been expressed in this thread.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:31am At the risk of again being labelled "sanctimonious" when I suggested a few weeks ago that a former player coach with mental health issues should not be ridiculed, I again implore everyone to desist from rubbing Jack Steven's nose further into the dirt while he is down.
Mental health issues are a massive problem in today's society, especially when it is openly commented upon adversely on social media.
We should all butt out and leave the individual in peace to deal with his recovery. All the more so when no-one is in possession of the full facts in this case....and it is none of our business!
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Got you. Just to clarify my original comment it wasn't a pop at Jack who I think was an amazing St. Kilda player I just wish at times the club would be more businesslike and ruthless. Nothing but affection for the man and wasn't trying to rub his nose in anything.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 11:23amI agree that there has been plenty of support expressed in this thread roskilde, but refer to comments such as "at least he wasn't in drag" and equating his latest downfall justifying the low pick received by St Kilda, which are hardly complimentary.roskilde wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:47amNo one is rubbing his nose in anything and only sympathy and affection for Jack has been expressed in this thread.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:31am At the risk of again being labelled "sanctimonious" when I suggested a few weeks ago that a former player coach with mental health issues should not be ridiculed, I again implore everyone to desist from rubbing Jack Steven's nose further into the dirt while he is down.
Mental health issues are a massive problem in today's society, especially when it is openly commented upon adversely on social media.
We should all butt out and leave the individual in peace to deal with his recovery. All the more so when no-one is in possession of the full facts in this case....and it is none of our business!
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
A very sad set of circumstances at every level
The old story is that when the going gets tough the tough get going
What we do know is:-
Steven requested a trade to be close to his family, the extended Steven Family from Lorne
Steven has access, and you could suggest limited access to his young daughter, the daughter living with her Mother in Melbourne (you could suggest there is no overnight access given what is in the public domain)
Steven’s ability to sustain a Family Court application seeking increased (or any apart from supervised) access would now be severely compromised
Apart from any other repercussions
Steven is going to require all the support which can be put around him
As do his daughter and her Mother
The real sufferer in this is the child
The old story is that when the going gets tough the tough get going
What we do know is:-
Steven requested a trade to be close to his family, the extended Steven Family from Lorne
Steven has access, and you could suggest limited access to his young daughter, the daughter living with her Mother in Melbourne (you could suggest there is no overnight access given what is in the public domain)
Steven’s ability to sustain a Family Court application seeking increased (or any apart from supervised) access would now be severely compromised
Apart from any other repercussions
Steven is going to require all the support which can be put around him
As do his daughter and her Mother
The real sufferer in this is the child
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Whilst we should be respectful he is a public figure and a former club champion, plus he was evasive with the police.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:31am At the risk of again being labelled "sanctimonious" when I suggested a few weeks ago that a former player coach with mental health issues should not be ridiculed, I again implore everyone to desist from rubbing Jack Steven's nose further into the dirt while he is down.
Mental health issues are a massive problem in today's society, especially when it is openly commented upon adversely on social media.
We should all butt out and leave the individual in peace to deal with his recovery. All the more so when no-one is in possession of the full facts in this case....and it is none of our business!
It warrants discussion
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Gee, now I wish I hadn't commented at all really. Don't you? Sanctimony or comedy? I guess it's all in the delivery.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 10:31am At the risk of again being labelled "sanctimonious" when I suggested a few weeks ago that a former player coach with mental health issues should not be ridiculed, I again implore everyone to desist from rubbing Jack Steven's nose further into the dirt while he is down.
Mental health issues are a massive problem in today's society, especially when it is openly commented upon adversely on social media.
We should all butt out and leave the individual in peace to deal with his recovery. All the more so when no-one is in possession of the full facts in this case....and it is none of our business!
I don't wish Jack any harm. I hope he fades from the public eye calmly and quietly, so he can deal with his issues safely and with consideration of his loved ones.
Hearing about it makes me feel uncomfortable for no apparent reason other than football. I should reassess my values I guess.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Mental health = false attribution error.
Every problem is categorised as a a mental health issue.
This is just bad science (agenda or corporate-based science).
Suicide rates over the last 100 years or so haven't really changed that much.
More like an addiction issue.
I bet there's a pharmaceutical cure for it.
Every problem is categorised as a a mental health issue.
This is just bad science (agenda or corporate-based science).
Suicide rates over the last 100 years or so haven't really changed that much.
More like an addiction issue.
I bet there's a pharmaceutical cure for it.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
I wish I could paste a simple x and y axis here.
x axis is the state of your life, as you honestly perceive it, bad to good.
y axis is about your state of mind, and the number of 'labels' you could ascribe to this state.
Now, how many of these 'labels', (mood swings, anxiety, flusteredness, implusivity, sparking, attention issues..etc.) can be attributable to a 'disorder' .
It's a buyers market. Disorders are waiting for you, and so are the docs, the chemist and the psycho-pharma industry, worth 70 billion US in 2010 alone.
But who am I to say? Couldn't figure out how to draw a graph. If you want to add a table here, yo click on 'Create Tables' which send you to 'User Guide' ,
Said user guide is 25,628 words. I checked on 'web Word Page Counter" https://wordcounter.net/website-word-count
I don't have a mental illness, and I am sure I have many.
x axis is the state of your life, as you honestly perceive it, bad to good.
y axis is about your state of mind, and the number of 'labels' you could ascribe to this state.
Now, how many of these 'labels', (mood swings, anxiety, flusteredness, implusivity, sparking, attention issues..etc.) can be attributable to a 'disorder' .
It's a buyers market. Disorders are waiting for you, and so are the docs, the chemist and the psycho-pharma industry, worth 70 billion US in 2010 alone.
But who am I to say? Couldn't figure out how to draw a graph. If you want to add a table here, yo click on 'Create Tables' which send you to 'User Guide' ,
Said user guide is 25,628 words. I checked on 'web Word Page Counter" https://wordcounter.net/website-word-count
I don't have a mental illness, and I am sure I have many.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Do we really know all that? I doubt we or you do. But some cracking Leaps of Faith for your assumptions.To the top wrote: ↑Mon 18 May 2020 12:20pm A very sad set of circumstances at every level
The old story is that when the going gets tough the tough get going
What we do know is:-
Steven requested a trade to be close to his family, the extended Steven Family from Lorne
Steven has access, and you could suggest limited access to his young daughter, the daughter living with her Mother in Melbourne (you could suggest there is no overnight access given what is in the public domain)
Steven’s ability to sustain a Family Court application seeking increased (or any apart from supervised) access would now be severely compromised
Apart from any other repercussions
Steven is going to require all the support which can be put around him
As do his daughter and her Mother
The real sufferer in this is the child
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
good on him for not dobbing his missus in
cop that one ,
for being a knuckle dragger
cop that one ,
for being a knuckle dragger
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
How do you know it was her not drug dealer (or someone else) related?? Really horrible if it was his ex, especially for their child.
AFL integrity unit looking into it also. I assume he will have to be stood down or similar now.
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lets see what arises
as the story unfolds
as the story unfolds
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
side note :
re knowing sh1t
if my mum had of stabbed the old man
it would have had to be more than once
... and savagely.
that would have united my mob
... we’d a been very happy kids.
re knowing sh1t
if my mum had of stabbed the old man
it would have had to be more than once
... and savagely.
that would have united my mob
... we’d a been very happy kids.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Spinner wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 8:46pmsaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 1:22pm So Stuv has been stabbed.
Maybe the lousy trade pick we got for him was fair value considering it appears he’s still messed up.
Really sad situation for such a great player.
Career over it seems.
These are the types of posts I would show any player from any team when considering what the best options are for their career / life.
Don’t spend a single second considering ‘supporters’.
Because even if you’ve given 10 years, 4 best and fairests - if you were to get stabbed in the chest (even without knowing the details) they only care about the draft pick you got traded for the year before.
Sad and disgusting.
For me its about how he treated his family, the club, his teammates and ultimately the ones who help keep him in a job....the supporters.
Riewoldt & the Saints can try to hide the facts like so many times, players were there when Stuv was getting high. They knew he was shagging a staff members wife, they knew he was getting blatantly black out drunk....everyone inside knows.
His wife loved Melbourne but after years of her husband f@cking everything that moves and coming home drunk, she left for home to get support. Then Stuv cracked the sads....everyone feel sorry for the asshole who treated his family and ultimately his club like garbage.
So, yeah, he was a best and fairest but the last 18 months he made a monster s*** storm that had been brewing for a decade with his behaviour.
Im not judging him because he needs help, Im judging him because he ruined his career at St Kilda and forced a lousy situation on the Saints player management. What a swell human.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
It may have been said earlier on this or another thread, but extending his middle digit to the camera on Brownlow night in a very immature act speaks volumes for his character and lack of leadership.
As for his failure to shed any light on the circumstances surrounding his stabbing, regardless of who he is protecting, this is another immature act from a man-child who needs to grow up fast for the sake of himself and his loved ones.
As for his failure to shed any light on the circumstances surrounding his stabbing, regardless of who he is protecting, this is another immature act from a man-child who needs to grow up fast for the sake of himself and his loved ones.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Sounds like plausible inside knowledge, remember some supposed ITK"S scoffing at any suggestion of Steven being captain material.Wish him and family all the best but can't help feeling his problems are self created.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Tue 19 May 2020 2:18pmSpinner wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 8:46pmsaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 1:22pm So Stuv has been stabbed.
Maybe the lousy trade pick we got for him was fair value considering it appears he’s still messed up.
Really sad situation for such a great player.
Career over it seems.
These are the types of posts I would show any player from any team when considering what the best options are for their career / life.
Don’t spend a single second considering ‘supporters’.
Because even if you’ve given 10 years, 4 best and fairests - if you were to get stabbed in the chest (even without knowing the details) they only care about the draft pick you got traded for the year before.
Sad and disgusting.
For me its about how he treated his family, the club, his teammates and ultimately the ones who help keep him in a job....the supporters.
Riewoldt & the Saints can try to hide the facts like so many times, players were there when Stuv was getting high. They knew he was shagging a staff members wife, they knew he was getting blatantly black out drunk....everyone inside knows.
His wife loved Melbourne but after years of her husband f@cking everything that moves and coming home drunk, she left for home to get support. Then Stuv cracked the sads....everyone feel sorry for the asshole who treated his family and ultimately his club like garbage.
So, yeah, he was a best and fairest but the last 18 months he made a monster s*** storm that had been brewing for a decade with his behaviour.
Im not judging him because he needs help, Im judging him because he ruined his career at St Kilda and forced a lousy situation on the Saints player management. What a swell human.
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Thanks for his info - helps put the jigsaw together somewhat.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Tue 19 May 2020 2:18pmSpinner wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 8:46pmsaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 1:22pm So Stuv has been stabbed.
Maybe the lousy trade pick we got for him was fair value considering it appears he’s still messed up.
Really sad situation for such a great player.
Career over it seems.
These are the types of posts I would show any player from any team when considering what the best options are for their career / life.
Don’t spend a single second considering ‘supporters’.
Because even if you’ve given 10 years, 4 best and fairests - if you were to get stabbed in the chest (even without knowing the details) they only care about the draft pick you got traded for the year before.
Sad and disgusting.
For me its about how he treated his family, the club, his teammates and ultimately the ones who help keep him in a job....the supporters.
Riewoldt & the Saints can try to hide the facts like so many times, players were there when Stuv was getting high. They knew he was shagging a staff members wife, they knew he was getting blatantly black out drunk....everyone inside knows.
His wife loved Melbourne but after years of her husband f@cking everything that moves and coming home drunk, she left for home to get support. Then Stuv cracked the sads....everyone feel sorry for the asshole who treated his family and ultimately his club like garbage.
So, yeah, he was a best and fairest but the last 18 months he made a monster s*** storm that had been brewing for a decade with his behaviour.
Im not judging him because he needs help, Im judging him because he ruined his career at St Kilda and forced a lousy situation on the Saints player management. What a swell human.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Great player but flawed personality.
I'm still very bitter about the way he "left" our club.
And would have been really pissed off if he starred at Pussy Park, particularly given the peanuts they paid for him.
Maybe this is the karma bus.
I'm still very bitter about the way he "left" our club.
And would have been really pissed off if he starred at Pussy Park, particularly given the peanuts they paid for him.
Maybe this is the karma bus.
The rest of Australia can wander mask-free, socialise, eat out, no curfews, no zoning, no police rings of steel, no illogical inconsistent rules.
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Thanks for having the courage to post this. Last year when he was suffering from 'mental health issues' and some of us suggested that much of it was of his own making by the way he was living his life, plenty on here expressed disgust. I expect a few to jump on again and do the same which is there prerogative.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Tue 19 May 2020 2:18pmSpinner wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 8:46pmsaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 1:22pm So Stuv has been stabbed.
Maybe the lousy trade pick we got for him was fair value considering it appears he’s still messed up.
Really sad situation for such a great player.
Career over it seems.
These are the types of posts I would show any player from any team when considering what the best options are for their career / life.
Don’t spend a single second considering ‘supporters’.
Because even if you’ve given 10 years, 4 best and fairests - if you were to get stabbed in the chest (even without knowing the details) they only care about the draft pick you got traded for the year before.
Sad and disgusting.
For me its about how he treated his family, the club, his teammates and ultimately the ones who help keep him in a job....the supporters.
Riewoldt & the Saints can try to hide the facts like so many times, players were there when Stuv was getting high. They knew he was shagging a staff members wife, they knew he was getting blatantly black out drunk....everyone inside knows.
His wife loved Melbourne but after years of her husband f@cking everything that moves and coming home drunk, she left for home to get support. Then Stuv cracked the sads....everyone feel sorry for the asshole who treated his family and ultimately his club like garbage.
So, yeah, he was a best and fairest but the last 18 months he made a monster s*** storm that had been brewing for a decade with his behaviour.
Im not judging him because he needs help, Im judging him because he ruined his career at St Kilda and forced a lousy situation on the Saints player management. What a swell human.
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Yer lucky P66 doesn't post here anymoreSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Tue 19 May 2020 2:18pmSpinner wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 8:46pmsaintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 17 May 2020 1:22pm So Stuv has been stabbed.
Maybe the lousy trade pick we got for him was fair value considering it appears he’s still messed up.
Really sad situation for such a great player.
Career over it seems.
These are the types of posts I would show any player from any team when considering what the best options are for their career / life.
Don’t spend a single second considering ‘supporters’.
Because even if you’ve given 10 years, 4 best and fairests - if you were to get stabbed in the chest (even without knowing the details) they only care about the draft pick you got traded for the year before.
Sad and disgusting.
For me its about how he treated his family, the club, his teammates and ultimately the ones who help keep him in a job....the supporters.
Riewoldt & the Saints can try to hide the facts like so many times, players were there when Stuv was getting high. They knew he was shagging a staff members wife, they knew he was getting blatantly black out drunk....everyone inside knows.
His wife loved Melbourne but after years of her husband f@cking everything that moves and coming home drunk, she left for home to get support. Then Stuv cracked the sads....everyone feel sorry for the asshole who treated his family and ultimately his club like garbage.
So, yeah, he was a best and fairest but the last 18 months he made a monster s*** storm that had been brewing for a decade with his behaviour.
Im not judging him because he needs help, Im judging him because he ruined his career at St Kilda and forced a lousy situation on the Saints player management. What a swell human.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Must say I agree 100% but also really hope Stuv doesn’t become a Victorian Ben Cousins.Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Tue 19 May 2020 11:41pm Great player but flawed personality.
I'm still very bitter about the way he "left" our club.
And would have been really pissed off if he starred at Pussy Park, particularly given the peanuts they paid for him.
Maybe this is the karma bus.
Not sure how Stuv will handle not having a footy career though.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
The story is circulating among the inner sanctum at Geelong who do not expect to see him on the park at this juncture
It won’t take long before the story is public knowledge
It won’t take long before the story is public knowledge
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
Don't know why I'm posting to be honest, cause I don't really give a s***.
But...those of you that 'support' someone off the field simply because they played footy for your club - are THE reason this sort of s*** happens.
The God complex that supporters thrust onto young kids out of school, is grossly unhealthy.
If you're a deadshit, you're a deadshit. Playing 300 games of footy doesn't change that, and doesn't excuse you from deadshit behaviour.
Those of you that do excuse these guys, coaches, players both - are the problem.
You're like drug dealers to these losers.
I don't know s*** about Jack Steven. And I actually don't care.
If he didn't something s***, he's a prick. If he didn't he's not.
Whether he won 4 B&Fs is completely irrelevant though.
But...those of you that 'support' someone off the field simply because they played footy for your club - are THE reason this sort of s*** happens.
The God complex that supporters thrust onto young kids out of school, is grossly unhealthy.
If you're a deadshit, you're a deadshit. Playing 300 games of footy doesn't change that, and doesn't excuse you from deadshit behaviour.
Those of you that do excuse these guys, coaches, players both - are the problem.
You're like drug dealers to these losers.
I don't know s*** about Jack Steven. And I actually don't care.
If he didn't something s***, he's a prick. If he didn't he's not.
Whether he won 4 B&Fs is completely irrelevant though.
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Re: Jack Steven Knife Incident
I've seen Saints players over the years doing the shittest stuff at clubs and bars over the years.
Genuinely s*** behaviour.
But the linament sniffers that hang off them facilitate it. They excuse it. They laugh and idolise them.
They (and of course I'm generalising here) get so used to having their behaviour not only excused - but lauded, that they literally lose track of what is right amd what is wrong.
Just cause some loser gets their thrills watching them play footy on the weekend.
I've never really understood two things:
Why people let these guys get away with bad s***.
And , why these same people are shocked when these blokes are the papers getting busted doing bad s***!
Genuinely s*** behaviour.
But the linament sniffers that hang off them facilitate it. They excuse it. They laugh and idolise them.
They (and of course I'm generalising here) get so used to having their behaviour not only excused - but lauded, that they literally lose track of what is right amd what is wrong.
Just cause some loser gets their thrills watching them play footy on the weekend.
I've never really understood two things:
Why people let these guys get away with bad s***.
And , why these same people are shocked when these blokes are the papers getting busted doing bad s***!