Ross Lyon dummyspit collection wanted

[saintspremiers]

One of life’s pleasures was seeing Tossbag spit the dummy as coach of Freo.

One of the most joyous days was Freo losing the Granny in about 2013ish. What a great day that was!

I’d love to see a package of his dummy spits and pressers - would brighten up all us Sainters days - these weekends are the hardest - knowing we should be watching live footy and /or going to it.

Now does anyone know a free stream for the Belarus Footbal League?

Please PM me!

[Enrico_Misso]

Don't forget to include news footage of his sexual harassment case!

[perfectionist]

And don't forget to watch the DVD of the 22 wins we had in 2009, 19 straight! You could watch the three losses, the first by 2 points, because of a missed shot after the siren, the second by 5 points, or the third and final loss by 2 goals, two goals instead of 1 (6 points) because Jason Blake decided to walk off the field rather than stay on the goal line. The last two losses were after having many more scoring shots or having points for the opposition ruled as goals. We have had two great coaches in our history. The first coached a team of champions to a flag - by a point. The second made us into a champion team but we fell short. Neither were perfect humans, but if that is the criterion, we will be a long time waiting.

[saynta]

Don't forget to include news footage of his sexual harassment case!

Good one..,Ross the tosser flosser wouldn't get a nooky in a brothel.

[Scollop]

History has a way of sorting out legend from myth. Ross Lyon was a very good coach, but not a great one.

He had a team humming and purring and he let slip one of the best chances any team has ever had in VFL/AFL history to plan for an assault on a premiership

No point killing yourself in a marathon and leading comfortably up until the 39 km mark...and then grinding to a walk for the last couple of km’s and getting second

Who the hell remembers the driver of the Bathurst 1000 who never makes it past the winning post and dies in the arse after leading for most of the race? Who the hell remembers the formula 1 driver who thrashes the hell out of their vehicle and does the brakes or blows a tyre on his last lap? The idiot was a lap in front, what the hell?

There have been some great thoroughbreds over the journey who have led for 80% of the great race only to be pipped at the post by the jockey and the trainer who had the winning horse and made into Melbourne cup history...let me think....
who were those horses...hmmm...can’t for the life of me remember them at the minute

[whiskers3614]

And don't forget to watch the DVD of the 22 wins we had in 2009, 19 straight! You could watch the three losses, the first by 2 points, because of a missed shot after the siren, the second by 5 points, or the third and final loss by 2 goals, two goals instead of 1 (6 points) because Jason Blake decided to walk off the field rather than stay on the goal line. The last two losses were after having many more scoring shots or having points for the opposition ruled as goals. We have had two great coaches in our history. The first coached a team of champions to a flag - by a point. The second made us into a champion team but we fell short. Neither were perfect humans, but if that is the criterion, we will be a long time waiting.

Hi Ross, how is retirement treating you?
I hope you didn't put too many Freo $ into the stock market!

[takeaway]

History has a way of sorting out legend from myth. Ross Lyon was a very good coach, but not a great one.

He had a team humming and purring and he let slip one of the best chances any team has ever had in VFL/AFL history to plan for an assault on a premiership

No point killing yourself in a marathon and leading comfortably up until the 39 km mark...and then grinding to a walk for the last couple of km’s and getting second

Who the hell remembers the driver of the Bathurst 1000 who never makes it past the winning post and dies in the arse after leading for most of the race? Who the hell remembers the formula 1 driver who thrashes the hell out of their vehicle and does the brakes or blows a tyre on his last lap? The idiot was a lap in front, what the hell?

There have been some great thoroughbreds over the journey who have led for 80% of the great race only to be pipped at the post by the jockey and the trainer who had the winning horse and made into Melbourne cup history...let me think....
who were those horses...hmmm...can’t for the life of me remember them at the minute

Yep, same as Allan Jeans in '65 and '71

[samoht]

what's wrong with the internet ...?

Every time I edit I end up with multiople posts?

[samoht]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the very next year 0-10?

[saynta]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

[takeaway]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

[samoht]

Coaching performance - or underperformance - was why Freo gave him the heave-ho!

The one thing I've always credited RL with - and I will continue to applaud him for - was that he got our soft-tissue injuries sorted out, by getting the right medical people around him.

[takeaway]

Coaching performance - or underperformance - was why Freo gave him the heave-ho!

The one thing I've always credited RL with - and I will continue to applaud him for - was that he got our soft-tissue injuries sorted out, by getting the right medical people around him.

Ross is Freo's best performed coach. Coach's tenure is limited, even Sheedy eventually had a few bad years at the end at Essendon, Matthews at Bris, Jeans at Saints, etc. Ross had 8 years at Freo, that is more than most, time for a change. That is all.

[Joffa Burns]

Geez you'd think the guy decimated our club.
He got us into 2 grand finals when many on here and in the media were saying we needed to re-build in 2008.
He never had the cattle GT had to work with.

He was a great coach in 09-10 as he was the innovator and there is no doubt Malthouse took his IP through Max & Ball and his game plan to another level with the runners he had.

IMO after his run at Freo his time was up as his style had been worked out and he didn't seem to be able to adapt or change. Reminds me of Terry Wallace, Rodney Eade and a few others who at the top of their game were innovators and well respected throughout their careers but once they hit the wall were done. I don't think he should coach again and I think he probably knows it.

I'll go with players like Rooey, Dal, Joey etc on what they think of Ross as a coach.

I don't understand why people here are so vitriolic toward Ross, is it because he left the club?
He got a better offer and moved, where is the issue?
GT was trying to get a payout from the saints and has potted us and the players for years but many on here still hero worship him, I don't get it.

Players and coaches come and go, they are just the custodians while they are in place and we move forward and look to the future as a new era is installed.

[saynta]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

Depends how you look at it.

He had great lists and great teams which he decimated in the end. Cost us two flags with his poor selections and not putting our best players on the ground, with the excuse ."oh I forgot"


He wouldn't play the kids or develop young players. Cost us three who are now getting regular games with other teams.

He played injured players in three grand finals including a player who had been in hospital overnight on a drip.

In the end he cost us a pissed off former captain and an overlooked fullback wh together took our Ip over to the filth and who played a significant role in our grannie losses in 2010.

You can stick up for him all you want and you are entitled to your opinions.

Jeans was a great coach and proved it, The tosser was an ordinary coach and proved that with 4 grand final losses.

I just don't agree with you, including my reasons for despising the creep.

Dropkick Imhfo.

[takeaway]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

Depends how you look at it.

He had great lists and great teams which he decimated in the end. Cost us two flags with his poor selections and not putting our best players on the ground, with the excuse ."oh I forgot"


He wouldn't play the kids or develop young players. Cost us three who are now getting regular games with other teams.

He played injured players in three grand finals including a player who had been in hospital overnight on a drip.

In the end he cost us a pissed off former captain and an overlooked fullback wh together took our Ip over to the filth and who played a significant role in our grannie losses in 2010.

You can stick up for him all you want and you are entitled to your opinions.

Jeans was a great coach and proved it, The tosser was an ordinary coach and proved that with 4 grand final losses.

I just don't agree with you, including my reasons for despising the creep.

Dropkick Imhfo.

"He proved he was an ordinary coach with 4 Grand final losses" ..... Really? Most coaches come and go without getting near a Grand final. Anyway, you are entitled to your view, which I would think the vast majority of players that played under him, and many of the staff involved would totally disagree with. Difficult character at times, but so were many other very very good coaches.

[SaintPav]

One of his best dummy spits was at Freo when he went off at John Anthony in 2012 or so after he tried to play on and run around the mark when he was shooting for goal straight out. It used to be on Youtube. It was very funny.

[BarryGrogan]

I quote like/d Lyon as a character.

However I never rated his philosophy. I think he cost us the 09 GF.

And the 10 GF.


The 2nd half of the 10 GF proves that in my opinion.

[Sanctorum]

History has a way of sorting out legend from myth. Ross Lyon was a very good coach, but not a great one.

He had a team humming and purring and he let slip one of the best chances any team has ever had in VFL/AFL history to plan for an assault on a premiership

The debate about Ross Lyon's legacy as St Kilda coach will go on forever - I agree that he was a reasonably good coach in that he was able to get his players to follow his trademark game plan, based very much on "team defence", but this was far too one-dimensional especially when his teams played against quality opposition in the finals.

This is borne out by his win/loss ratios:

Overall games coached by Ross Lyon: 163 wins, 118 losses = 57.2%, but in finals: 9 wins, 10 losses = 45%

Ross Lyon has also been criticised for failing to develop youth. An examination of St Kilda's draft records during the Lyon era (2008 - 2011) show that the club failed to develop a single young player within a bull's roar of ever being elite:

2007
B. McEvoy (9) always 3rd in line behind veterans Michael Gardiner and Steven King - in the GF loss to Geelong the St Kilda ruckmen were soundly beaten by their opposition; in 2010 the Saints made a massive blunder by going into the drawn GF, omitting Ben McEvoy with Gardiner the only recognised ruckman - the latter's injury midway through the 3rd quarter left St Kilda with just the undersized Justin Blake up against Darren Jolly in the ruck contests, which arguably cost St Kilda the game. Ben McEvoy was traded to Hawthorn at end of 2013 and under the great coach Alastair Clarkson became an elite ruckman, winning 2 premierships and still going strong in 2020!
j. Steven (42), E. Connor (69)

2008:
T. Lynch (pick 13) not given many opportunities by Lyon, became a very good player when picked up by Adelaide
R. Stanley (47), N'. Heyne (48), A.Smith (62), P. Cahill (74), C. Begey (83)

2009
N. Winmar (32), J. Smith* (60), A. Pattinson (64), W. Johnson (77), Z. Dawson* (87), L. Miles (93)

2010
J. Cripps (24) went on to become a premiership player with WCE, J. Crocker (43), T. Ledger (59), A. Siposs (75), R. Gamble* (90)
D. Polo* (103), T. Simpkin (111)

Ross Lyon has to carry some responsibility for the selection of all of these draftees, many of whom disappeared without playing more than a handful of games (if any) - little wonder that Lyon walked out on the Saints at the end of 2011 to a bigger pay packet and better list at Fremantle - an act of gross disloyalty to the players that had supported him throughout his tenure at St Kilda.

Poor drafting in the Lyon years lies at the heart of the rapid decline of St Kilda in the following 8 years.....

And no, I am not a "Lyon Hater" in any shape or form, I am just presenting the facts that are on the record.

[Joffa Burns]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

Depends how you look at it.

He had great lists and great teams which he decimated in the end. Cost us two flags with his poor selections and not putting our best players on the ground, with the excuse ."oh I forgot"


He wouldn't play the kids or develop young players. Cost us three who are now getting regular games with other teams.

He played injured players in three grand finals including a player who had been in hospital overnight on a drip.

In the end he cost us a pissed off former captain and an overlooked fullback wh together took our Ip over to the filth and who played a significant role in our grannie losses in 2010.

You can stick up for him all you want and you are entitled to your opinions.

Jeans was a great coach and proved it, The tosser was an ordinary coach and proved that with 4 grand final losses.

I just don't agree with you, including my reasons for despising the creep.

Dropkick Imhfo.

You don't rate Lyon as a coach Saynta and state he cost us two Grand Finals, while acknowledging the loss of Ball & Max and the IP they took helped Collingwood defeat us in 2010.

If he was such a poor coach surely his IP would have been of no value?

I don't agree with you but understand your feelings on Ross (the tosser flosser) but surely you can see the contradiction in the above?

[asiu]

don’t forget the stolen laptop

no inside info on that move
one would hope

[samoht]

We did have success under RL ... especially in 2009 when it became 2-horse race between us and Geelong.
But, we can't put him on a pedestal as a result of it - I mean, what happened in 2011??.

Re: Our so-called “defensive mind set” under RL... it seemed to desert us in key games.
We allowed opposition half-back lines to run amok against us in important games .... it was a common theme with us and at Freo.

His failure to select and back the right players and develop others who went on to become valuable players elsewhere (as already mentioned in this thread) .... it should be factored in.
He had good lists, even at Freo when they had their 0-10 start..this should also be factored in.

His w/l ratio over his last 4 years at Freo (32.9%)... even if we overlook it, Freo didn’t.

A more-balanced and even-tempered view - that's all - without resentment or adulation.

[saynta]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

Depends how you look at it.

He had great lists and great teams which he decimated in the end. Cost us two flags with his poor selections and not putting our best players on the ground, with the excuse ."oh I forgot"


He wouldn't play the kids or develop young players. Cost us three who are now getting regular games with other teams.

He played injured players in three grand finals including a player who had been in hospital overnight on a drip.

In the end he cost us a pissed off former captain and an overlooked fullback wh together took our Ip over to the filth and who played a significant role in our grannie losses in 2010.

You can stick up for him all you want and you are entitled to your opinions.

Jeans was a great coach and proved it, The tosser was an ordinary coach and proved that with 4 grand final losses.

I just don't agree with you, including my reasons for despising the creep.

Dropkick Imhfo.

You don't rate Lyon as a coach Saynta and state he cost us two Grand Finals, while acknowledging the loss of Ball & Max and the IP they took helped Collingwood defeat us in 2010.

If he was such a poor coach surely his IP would have been of no value?

I don't agree with you but understand your feelings on Ross (the tosser flosser) but surely you can see the contradiction in the above?

No there is no contradiction. Every coach has a game plan and the team it's secrets. No one wants to share that with an opposition coach.

[saynta]

We did have success under RL ... especially in 2009 when it became 2-horse race between us and Geelong.
But, we can't put him on a pedestal as a result of it - I mean, what happened in 2011??.

Re: Our so-called “defensive mind set” under RL... it seemed to desert us in key games.
We allowed opposition half-back lines to run amok against us in important games .... it was a common theme with us and at Freo.

His failure to select and back the right players and develop others who went on to become valuable players elsewhere (as already mentioned in this thread) .... it should be factored in.
He had good lists, even at Freo when they had their 0-10 start..this should also be factored in.

His w/l ratio over his last 4 years at Freo (32.9%)... even if we overlook it, Freo didn’t.

A more-balanced and even-tempered view - that's all - without resentment or adulation.

Good post. All valid points.

[saynta]

Ended up a 0-10, predictable, humdrum coach, and was wisely replaced by Freo, who finally saw the light.
This is a team boasting Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Walters, Brad Hill, etc.. and having a distinct home ground advantage.
0-10! How is it even possible that Freo went from playing in a GF one year to starting the next year 0-10?

Yep, the useless tosser lost three grannies with teams other coaches would have romped in with.

The guy's a loser. Pity is , he was our loser when we had the best teams.

For the Saints, RL has the best win loss ratio of any Saints coach in home and away 66% (by some margin). Equal best ratio in finals 50% (and better than Jeans)

Funny, a floating bomb by Breen got the point, and a flag, a right angle bounce in front of Milne didn't get the goal, an allowed non goal to Geelong made the difference.

Doesn't take much to change from a Saints hero to a useless tosser (according to some). I'll take that "useless tosser's" record any day.

I think it has more to do with Ross departing the Saints, not based on coaching performance.

Depends how you look at it.

He had great lists and great teams which he decimated in the end. Cost us two flags with his poor selections and not putting our best players on the ground, with the excuse ."oh I forgot"


He wouldn't play the kids or develop young players. Cost us three who are now getting regular games with other teams.

He played injured players in three grand finals including a player who had been in hospital overnight on a drip.

In the end he cost us a pissed off former captain and an overlooked fullback wh together took our Ip over to the filth and who played a significant role in our grannie losses in 2010.

You can stick up for him all you want and you are entitled to your opinions.

Jeans was a great coach and proved it, The tosser was an ordinary coach and proved that with 4 grand final losses.

I just don't agree with you, including my reasons for despising the creep.

Dropkick Imhfo.

"He proved he was an ordinary coach with 4 Grand final losses" ..... Really? Most coaches come and go without getting near a Grand final. Anyway, you are entitled to your view, which I would think the vast majority of players that played under him, and many of the staff involved would totally disagree with. Difficult character at times, but so were many other very very good coaches.

I also said that a good coach would have romped in those grannies with the teams the tosser had at his disposal.