Not wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
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Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
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Yeah, amazing isn’t it.
Now he’s worth double the pay (and triple the draft picks) he was 3 years ago.
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Who said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
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Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 8:27amWho said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
Self described mute point but still raised?
So this mysterious speculation about a player’s kicking due to defensive strategies (I must have missed the front page article on this discovery...). Poorer kicking (allegedly) but a best and fairest in first year? Let me guess, this had nothing to do with any RL strategies.
Kicking slightly poorer (allegedly) but better best and fairest results. Could it be that he became a better all rounded footballer?
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I'm an unashamed RL supporter, think he's still got a fair bit to offer the game. I'm not sure why Brad's kicking dipped during is time at Freo, there was speculation and some even in the media, I'm sure a Google search will find it, but as I say I think it's a mute point becuse his worst kicking is still probably better than the best.Spinner wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:33amSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 8:27amWho said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
Self described mute point but still raised?
So this mysterious speculation about a player’s kicking due to defensive strategies (I must have missed the front page article on this discovery...). Poorer kicking (allegedly) but a best and fairest in first year? Let me guess, this had nothing to do with any RL strategies.
Kicking slightly poorer (allegedly) but better best and fairest results. Could it be that he became a better all rounded footballer?
For what it's worth I think the noise was more to do with RL than it did with Brad's performances as at the time the jungle drums were starting to beat load about RLs future at Freo.
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Re: Saints v Hawks Marsh Cup Match Thread 2020
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the rooster did that first
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The tosser flosser is a prick. Full stop.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:56amI'm an unashamed RL supporter, think he's still got a fair bit to offer the game.Spinner wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:33amSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 8:27amWho said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
Self described mute point but still raised?
So this mysterious speculation about a player’s kicking due to defensive strategies (I must have missed the front page article on this discovery...). Poorer kicking (allegedly) but a best and fairest in first year? Let me guess, this had nothing to do with any RL strategies.
Kicking slightly poorer (allegedly) but better best and fairest results. Could it be that he became a better all rounded footballer?
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How good is his left, I had to check to see if he was actually a left footer
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Can be a prick and a good coach too.saynta wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:27pmThe tosser flosser is a prick. Full stop.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:56amI'm an unashamed RL supporter, think he's still got a fair bit to offer the game.Spinner wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:33amSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 8:27amWho said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
Self described mute point but still raised?
So this mysterious speculation about a player’s kicking due to defensive strategies (I must have missed the front page article on this discovery...). Poorer kicking (allegedly) but a best and fairest in first year? Let me guess, this had nothing to do with any RL strategies.
Kicking slightly poorer (allegedly) but better best and fairest results. Could it be that he became a better all rounded footballer?
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Re: Saints v Hawks Marsh Cup Match Thread 2020
His coaching cost us two premierships imhfo.Spinner wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 6:49amCan be a prick and a good coach too.saynta wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:27pmThe tosser flosser is a prick. Full stop.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:56amI'm an unashamed RL supporter, think he's still got a fair bit to offer the game.Spinner wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 11:33amSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sun 23 Feb 2020 8:27amWho said he was a bad kick. His kicking stats dipped while at Freo and it was speculated it was becuse RL focused more on his defensive strategies than he did on skills. As I say a mute point. Hill's kicking is probably the best the game has ever seen.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:35pmSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:46pmNot wanting to buy into the coach debate becuse frankly it can become a tedious discussion however just a correction; Hill's kicking deteriorated while at Freo. There was speculation about why but I think it's a mute point becuse I think Hill's bad kicking is still better than most players best kicking.Spinner wrote: ↑Sat 22 Feb 2020 5:31pmWellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 21 Feb 2020 2:23am Agree on Hill, I imagine Ro$$ Lyin stifled his creativity.
Lyon seems to not allow players to fully use their talents.
I rate Ratts as a more common sense coach than Lyon, having learnt under Clarko.
I suggest if one were to ask Hill quietly about the Saints, he'd say 'breath of fresh air' and 'new lease of life'.
He'd be loving it.
Give him freedom and he'll be a very important difference.
He'll give us that strike power when Swans or Tigers threaten to take over a game.
This is a really weird post. Hill improved significantly under Lyon and performed extremely well.
Did you just make this issue up in your head? Absolutely obsessed.
Another weird post. Why are we recruiting bad kicks with mysterious speculation?
Self described mute point but still raised?
So this mysterious speculation about a player’s kicking due to defensive strategies (I must have missed the front page article on this discovery...). Poorer kicking (allegedly) but a best and fairest in first year? Let me guess, this had nothing to do with any RL strategies.
Kicking slightly poorer (allegedly) but better best and fairest results. Could it be that he became a better all rounded footballer?
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Re: Saints v Hawks Marsh Cup Match Thread 2020
Maybe one...2009. But we won 20 games in the H&A season that year. I'm sure a fair chunk of that was due to his coaching.
We got lucky in 2010. We were the 3rd team in the H&A and beat Geelong to have the week off.
Collingwood were a better team than us all year. We almost pinched the flag that year but for a dodgy bounce of the ball.
Lyon's flaws, in my view, were more about player development than game day coaching.
I enjoyed going to the footy in 2009/10 when we were favourites to win most games and won way more than we lost.
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Re: Saints v Hawks Marsh Cup Match Thread 2020
ha
was thinking about all that this morning
‘n how lucky were to even make 09
the doggies had us by the short n curlys
... thank you rooey
and then in 10
as expressed above
dodgy bounce
then a dodgy opposition
was thinking about all that this morning
‘n how lucky were to even make 09
the doggies had us by the short n curlys
... thank you rooey
and then in 10
as expressed above
dodgy bounce
then a dodgy opposition
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My house is worth a shitload more now than what it was worth when I bought it 3 years ago too.
It's in far worse condition now too.
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caravans don't countBarryGrogan wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 12:57pmMy house is worth a shitload more now than what it was worth when I bought it 3 years ago too.
It's in far worse condition now too.
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You're lucky. An investment unit I brought about ten years ago off the plans is wort 50 thousand less now.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 12:57pmMy house is worth a shitload more now than what it was worth when I bought it 3 years ago too.
It's in far worse condition now too.
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No you are wrong. We would have won that drawn game in 2010 if Ball hadn't been pissed off by the tosser and was still playing for us rather than the filth.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 11:38amMaybe one...2009. But we won 20 games in the H&A season that year. I'm sure a fair chunk of that was due to his coaching.
We got lucky in 2010. We were the 3rd team in the H&A and beat Geelong to have the week off.
Collingwood were a better team than us all year. We almost pinched the flag that year but for a dodgy bounce of the ball.
Lyon's flaws, in my view, were more about player development than game day coaching.
I enjoyed going to the footy in 2009/10 when we were favourites to win most games and won way more than we lost.
Never forget, never forgive is my motto.
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We might have also won the game if Andrew Lovett wasn't the sort of person that mistook a snore for consent!saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:37pmNo you are wrong. We would have won that drawn game in 2010 if Ball hadn't been pissed off by the tosser and was still playing for us rather than the filth.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 11:38amMaybe one...2009. But we won 20 games in the H&A season that year. I'm sure a fair chunk of that was due to his coaching.
We got lucky in 2010. We were the 3rd team in the H&A and beat Geelong to have the week off.
Collingwood were a better team than us all year. We almost pinched the flag that year but for a dodgy bounce of the ball.
Lyon's flaws, in my view, were more about player development than game day coaching.
I enjoyed going to the footy in 2009/10 when we were favourites to win most games and won way more than we lost.
Never forget, never forgive is my motto.
Anyway, not sure Luke Ball was the difference between the two teams.
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Of course he was in that drawn game. Have you ever watched it?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:42pmWe might have also won the game if Andrew Lovett wasn't the sort of person that mistook a snore for consent!saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:37pmNo you are wrong. We would have won that drawn game in 2010 if Ball hadn't been pissed off by the tosser and was still playing for us rather than the filth.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 11:38amMaybe one...2009. But we won 20 games in the H&A season that year. I'm sure a fair chunk of that was due to his coaching.
We got lucky in 2010. We were the 3rd team in the H&A and beat Geelong to have the week off.
Collingwood were a better team than us all year. We almost pinched the flag that year but for a dodgy bounce of the ball.
Lyon's flaws, in my view, were more about player development than game day coaching.
I enjoyed going to the footy in 2009/10 when we were favourites to win most games and won way more than we lost.
Never forget, never forgive is my motto.
Anyway, not sure Luke Ball was the difference between the two teams.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... s?mid=5146
He was one of the filth's better players with 25 possessions.
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Re: Saints v Hawks Marsh Cup Match Thread 2020
Didn't say he didn't play...I said that he wasn't the difference.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:55pmOf course he was in that drawn game. Have you ever watched it?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:42pm We might have also won the game if Andrew Lovett wasn't the sort of person that mistook a snore for consent!
Anyway, not sure Luke Ball was the difference between the two teams.
13 possessions is hardly a noteworthy game.
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I don;t know where you are getting your stats from but they are clearly wrong/Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:58pmDidn't say he didn't play...I said that he wasn't the difference.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:55pmOf course he was in that drawn game. Have you ever watched it?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:42pm We might have also won the game if Andrew Lovett wasn't the sort of person that mistook a snore for consent!
Anyway, not sure Luke Ball was the difference between the two teams.
13 possessions is hardly a noteworthy game.
He had 15 kicks 10 handpasses and 7 marks.
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In the replay he did...In the drawn game he didn't.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 4:00pmI don;t know where you are getting your stats from but they are clearly wrong/Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:58pmDidn't say he didn't play...I said that he wasn't the difference.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:55pmOf course he was in that drawn game. Have you ever watched it?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Mon 24 Feb 2020 3:42pm We might have also won the game if Andrew Lovett wasn't the sort of person that mistook a snore for consent!
Anyway, not sure Luke Ball was the difference between the two teams.
13 possessions is hardly a noteworthy game.
He had 15 kicks 10 handpasses and 7 marks.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2 ... 00925.html