Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
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Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Several AFL clubs have decided to undertake generational change and hand over the captaincy to the next generation of players, currently Adelaide, West Coast Eagles and GWS..
The question is, should St Kilda do likewise for season 2020?
Jarryn Geary has been a long and faithful servant of the club, took over captaincy from Nick Riewoldt in 2017 and led the team for the past 3 years, a period where the team has failed to achieve success.
The club has clearly drawn a line in the sand in the past 6 months with the departure of Alan Richardson, and appointment of Brett Ratten to coach the team for the next 3 years.
I expect that Ratten has told the Board and senior management that the team needed to inject some quality experienced players into the lineup in order for him to bring success to the St Kilda FC.
This they have done by trading in some very good players: Bradley Hill, Paddy Ryder, Zak Jones, Dougal Howard and Daniel Butler.
In addition, the club recruited Jarryd Roughead in a key role across a range of responsibilities.
Ratten has identified that a major deficiency in the players is basic skills by hand and foot, and decision making, which has time and again resulted in turnovers that cost a lot of goals and led to losses.
With so many very significant changes, it would appear to me that it is now also time for St Kilda to complete the overhaul by appointing a new captain. Geary is now the oldest player on the list that the team fielded in 2019 - Paddy Ryder shades him by just 3 months.
He is recovering from two very serious leg injuries which at 32 years of age raises questions about his ability to return to his best form - his role has been primarily as a small defender to cover a running forward, has he got the leg speed to do that again.
Leadership aside, it has been noted many times that Geary even at his best does not possess elite disposal skills, and at 32 that situation is not likely to improve much if at all. It is extremely unlikely that he will get an extension to his current contract which expires at the end of 2020.
In summary, I believe that it would be in the best interests of both the player and the club for Jarryn Geary to pass the baton on to a younger player, in the same way that Nick Riewoldt did in his last year as a player.
As to who should succeed Geary, that's a subject that warrants a separate post!
The question is, should St Kilda do likewise for season 2020?
Jarryn Geary has been a long and faithful servant of the club, took over captaincy from Nick Riewoldt in 2017 and led the team for the past 3 years, a period where the team has failed to achieve success.
The club has clearly drawn a line in the sand in the past 6 months with the departure of Alan Richardson, and appointment of Brett Ratten to coach the team for the next 3 years.
I expect that Ratten has told the Board and senior management that the team needed to inject some quality experienced players into the lineup in order for him to bring success to the St Kilda FC.
This they have done by trading in some very good players: Bradley Hill, Paddy Ryder, Zak Jones, Dougal Howard and Daniel Butler.
In addition, the club recruited Jarryd Roughead in a key role across a range of responsibilities.
Ratten has identified that a major deficiency in the players is basic skills by hand and foot, and decision making, which has time and again resulted in turnovers that cost a lot of goals and led to losses.
With so many very significant changes, it would appear to me that it is now also time for St Kilda to complete the overhaul by appointing a new captain. Geary is now the oldest player on the list that the team fielded in 2019 - Paddy Ryder shades him by just 3 months.
He is recovering from two very serious leg injuries which at 32 years of age raises questions about his ability to return to his best form - his role has been primarily as a small defender to cover a running forward, has he got the leg speed to do that again.
Leadership aside, it has been noted many times that Geary even at his best does not possess elite disposal skills, and at 32 that situation is not likely to improve much if at all. It is extremely unlikely that he will get an extension to his current contract which expires at the end of 2020.
In summary, I believe that it would be in the best interests of both the player and the club for Jarryn Geary to pass the baton on to a younger player, in the same way that Nick Riewoldt did in his last year as a player.
As to who should succeed Geary, that's a subject that warrants a separate post!
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Geary should stand down. He will not be in our best 22 for much of the year!
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Captain = overrated position
It should be Seb Ross imo
But either way, it won’t make any difference to how man games are won or lost.
It should be Seb Ross imo
But either way, it won’t make any difference to how man games are won or lost.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
The club will probably adopt a wait and see attitude instead of biting the bullet. The op makes a lot of sense, and I think it's 50/50 whether Gears has the speed to be effective in 2020 and beyond.
Seb did a great job in Gears absence in 2019 and has always shown good leadership qualities.
He speaks well in his media commitments and has always represented the footy club well off the field
I agree with BM that it won't make any difference to our wins or losses but I reckon it's time for a change to the captaincy. It will symbolise a total overhaul and I think until we get to be a good team (making and winning finals) that more change is on the horizon both for the playing list and for those in charge
Seb did a great job in Gears absence in 2019 and has always shown good leadership qualities.
He speaks well in his media commitments and has always represented the footy club well off the field
I agree with BM that it won't make any difference to our wins or losses but I reckon it's time for a change to the captaincy. It will symbolise a total overhaul and I think until we get to be a good team (making and winning finals) that more change is on the horizon both for the playing list and for those in charge
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Seb makes too many wrong calls at the coin toss. Stick with Gears!
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Geary should step down from being captain. He is no longer best 22 and will only play when we are hit by injuries.
We need to get as many games into Coffield, Clark, Long, Bytel, Phillips and Patton. These are the guys that will make our backline more daring and potent.
We need to get as many games into Coffield, Clark, Long, Bytel, Phillips and Patton. These are the guys that will make our backline more daring and potent.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Geary will play R1
If you think otherwise, I’m afraid you have no idea
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
I actually think you have no idea.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Let’s see if Jarryn plays then ok?!
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
For us to improve as a skilled team then Geary shouldn't be playing. If he is captain then how can he be dropped? It would look stupid. If he wasn't captain then it doesn't look so bad.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Geary is best 5 on our list for the past 8 years unless injured. His potential replacements in defence are probably Paton or Long and both have a way to go before being considered best 5. Geary knows how to defend, get the ball and has courage in spades. These skills appear very under rated on saintsational.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Sun 08 Dec 2019 9:16pm For us to improve as a skilled team then Geary shouldn't be playing. If he is captain then how can he be dropped? It would look stupid. If he wasn't captain then it doesn't look so bad.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Best 5?Shaggy wrote: ↑Sun 08 Dec 2019 10:15pmGeary is best 5 on our list for the past 8 years unless injured. His potential replacements in defence are probably Paton or Long and both have a way to go before being considered best 5. Geary knows how to defend, get the ball and has courage in spades. These skills appear very under rated on saintsational.Jacks Back wrote: ↑Sun 08 Dec 2019 9:16pm For us to improve as a skilled team then Geary shouldn't be playing. If he is captain then how can he be dropped? It would look stupid. If he wasn't captain then it doesn't look so bad.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Captaincy is 85% about who leads the lads in rooms, practice and in actions.
Geary has always been a decent player not elite. However, his effort is 100% everytime he sets foot on the grounds.
That said, it is time for him. I wish he would pull the plug. I wanted Reiwoldt to pull the plug and nominate a up and coming.
Minus Ross we are bereft of leaders that are being followed by the lads. Several are developing and look great.
As much as I didn't and don't agree with Hanners being brought in, he definitely talks the culture at practices and has surprised me with his attitude.
If we weren't trading or dropping him in 2021, Jack Lonie has been a strong up and coming leader. With the trades, unless there's serious injuries, he finishes his Saints career in VFL.
Ross is good at media, culture talk; but he doesn't fully have the club following him.
So I guess Geary for the last year and 2021 I reckon Seb gets the nod.
Geary has always been a decent player not elite. However, his effort is 100% everytime he sets foot on the grounds.
That said, it is time for him. I wish he would pull the plug. I wanted Reiwoldt to pull the plug and nominate a up and coming.
Minus Ross we are bereft of leaders that are being followed by the lads. Several are developing and look great.
As much as I didn't and don't agree with Hanners being brought in, he definitely talks the culture at practices and has surprised me with his attitude.
If we weren't trading or dropping him in 2021, Jack Lonie has been a strong up and coming leader. With the trades, unless there's serious injuries, he finishes his Saints career in VFL.
Ross is good at media, culture talk; but he doesn't fully have the club following him.
So I guess Geary for the last year and 2021 I reckon Seb gets the nod.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
We missed the boat totally to develop leaders and captains while our best leaders were still at the club.
Two years before Roo gave up the captaincy, we should have re-implemented the rotating captaincy. This model gave us the best spread of leaders I can recall in our football club.
We could have had around five or six genuine leadership options now if we'd have gone to that model.
But we only have two now, and I'm not wrapped with either option. Get Gresham and Billings into these leadership positions. Have co-captiains. I don't care. Just do whatever we can to get more leadership options.
Two years before Roo gave up the captaincy, we should have re-implemented the rotating captaincy. This model gave us the best spread of leaders I can recall in our football club.
We could have had around five or six genuine leadership options now if we'd have gone to that model.
But we only have two now, and I'm not wrapped with either option. Get Gresham and Billings into these leadership positions. Have co-captiains. I don't care. Just do whatever we can to get more leadership options.
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You only have to look at the complete leadership void we suffered this year to know Geary is the best and only option we have for 2020.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
I'm interested as to how people know what sort of leaders these players are. No idea how anyone would know that we have huge leadership void either.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
All good captain's lead, great ones inspire. While Geary works hard and gives 100 % he isn't that good and should have been dropped multiple times last year due to form, not very inspiring.
Also how many other clubs would have him as captain or even in their best 22? Not many. He has had his time now give it on to a deserving recipient
Also how many other clubs would have him as captain or even in their best 22? Not many. He has had his time now give it on to a deserving recipient
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
A lack of leadership is obvious when teams fail to stop the rot. There is no direction, no encouragement, no one to stand up and say enough is enough. Heads drop. This was evident a number times throughout 2019, particularly in defence.
Young teams need very solid leadership, both for the reasons above and to develop new leaders. In 2019 we lacked leadership and didn't seem to develop any new leaders. That's a leadership void in my opinion. The fact that there's still no obvious replacement for Geary backs that theory.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Seriously do you even read what you have postedDJ Higgins wrote: ↑Mon 09 Dec 2019 8:44am All good captain's lead, great ones inspire. While Geary works hard and gives 100 % he isn't that good and should have been dropped multiple times last year due to form, not very inspiring.
Also how many other clubs would have him as captain or even in their best 22? Not many. He has had his time now give it on to a deserving recipient
FYI last year Geary played rounds 1 2 3 and 5 before injury returning in round 11 for half a game
He received coaches votes in rounds 2 and 5, so obviously close to getting dropped!!
Would you like to take us through those games where he should have been dropped
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
I see your confusion. Last year was 2018 and there were plenty of patches of sub par performances that would have got other players a spell at sandyterry smith rules wrote: ↑Mon 09 Dec 2019 1:21pm Seriously do you even read what you have posted
FYI last year Geary played rounds 1 2 3 and 5 before injury returning in round 11 for half a game
He received coaches votes in rounds 2 and 5, so obviously close to getting dropped!!
Would you like to take us through those games where he should have been dropped
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
you beat me to the bleeding obvious
it has been a problem for a while now
TO me there is one obvious successor and he should be fast tracked as VC in 2020
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
instead of taking a potshot
can you attest to knowledge as to other worthy alternatives
I would think the dearth of replacements in senior ranks is pretty clear
players like Hannebery and Carlisle spring to mind
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
How would I know or anyone else not at the club and around the players know. You can't judge leadership from a distance.
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Re: Should Geary follow example of Walker, Hurn and Davis and hand over Captaincy?
Yeah, nah, maybe?
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