I didn't know that, can I ask how you know that?Saintmatt wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:33amCarlisle is going nowhere. For all of Jake's faults - he's widely and largely been credited with being the most influential person in getting Ryder to choose us over the injectors.Pundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:21amYep for treloar or Degoey, mad if we let Carlisle go, why the truck would you give away all of your spine/structural players which is in very good shape at present. We just need mids and we have a finals ready list.
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GC Suns building a nice young list
King, Lukoscious, Rankin last year
Rowell, Anderson, Crouch this year
Ainsworth, Fiorini, Brodie, Weller, Bowes, Wright and MacPherson
Problem will be keeping them together
King, Lukoscious, Rankin last year
Rowell, Anderson, Crouch this year
Ainsworth, Fiorini, Brodie, Weller, Bowes, Wright and MacPherson
Problem will be keeping them together
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It's in Sam McClure's article in today's The Age. I have a photo of the article but it's not published on-line. Will post the link when i find itPundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:52amI didn't know that, can I ask how you know that?Saintmatt wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:33amCarlisle is going nowhere. For all of Jake's faults - he's widely and largely been credited with being the most influential person in getting Ryder to choose us over the injectors.Pundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:21amYep for treloar or Degoey, mad if we let Carlisle go, why the truck would you give away all of your spine/structural players which is in very good shape at present. We just need mids and we have a finals ready list.
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I look at it this way. King and Lucoscious don't want to be there; never have and despite one of them actually living with the CEO and his family - both have refused to sign an extended deal. Rankin has committed.
Rowell and Anderson are interesting. There's a report on SEN this morning that the AFL will give the GCS a priority pick (no 2) so that they can take R & A. GCS then want to offer them 4 year deals off the bat to keep them together. That was the methodology of getting Rankine and Lucioscious (hasn't worked). I reckon we'll know everything about GCS from whether R & A are prepared to commit for 4 years off the bat.
Crouch will only go there if, as a 30yo - he gets a 5 year deal. Not exactly a great decision by GCS if that happens. Weller seems to be the only one who's chosen to go there off his own bat - even then GCS paid miles over to get him back.
Agree that list is pretty talented but, I think they're still a massive basket case and will be for a long, long time to come.
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Crouch is 25 (almost 26) and not 30 and IMO would be a great fit for the Suns age-wise, role-wise and talent-wise.
Taking pick 1 and 2 in the draft probably will not help them much as the "sliding doors" will just keep happening. IF they can land Crouch and another couple of good players this year at the expensive of kids/draft picks they would have a much better 2020 and future IMO.
Mind you if they add Crouch and get both those two young mids in it will make their 2020 better. Not sure those 2 will stay on though.
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Apologies - I meant to say that Crouch would be 30 after his 5 year deal at the GCS expired (got a touch ahead of myself) and that - much like Paddy Cripps - he's going to be a very banged up 'old' 30 as he'll be carrying a crap midfield on his own back for the foreseeable without much help from anyone of size. It's conceivable that he could be done by 28 (it's a miracle that Cripps is still upright given the load he's had to shoulder).saintsRrising wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 1:57pm
Crouch is 25 (almost 26) and not 30 and IMO would be a great fit for the Suns age-wise, role-wise and talent-wise.
Taking pick 1 and 2 in the draft probably will not help them much as the "sliding doors" will just keep happening. IF they can land Crouch and another couple of good players this year at the expensive of kids/draft picks they would have a much better 2020 and future IMO.
Mind you if they add Crouch and get both those two young mids in it will make their 2020 better. Not sure those 2 will stay on though.
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I spend about 30% of my time on GC and see a fair bit of the Suns.
They have talent but lack leadership and future direction.
They will be successful long term as the GC is becoming a junior AFL football region, its overtaken league & union in local junior ranks.
GC also sign up any talented athlete to their footy academy, even if you are not a current player.
I have a son who has an offer to join the GC academy and he has not played club football for 4 seasons.
When they get a priority pick this year I would not draft with it, they cant retain or develop the picks well enough.
They will have #1 & #2.
I'd swap Lukoscious & #1 & #2 to Adelaide for the Crouch brothers and Adelaides 2 X first round picks #4 & #9.
I'd then swap #4 & #9 to the Saints for Max King.
FA - Brandon Ellis & Jack Newnes
In: Crouch + Crouch + King + Ellis + Newnes
Out: Lukoscious + #1 & #2
I'd then look to bundle up #21 + pick for Jack Martin to get another decent mature hard bodied mid or two say Zak Jones and Luke Dunstan.
The Crouch brothers immediately sure up your make your midfield for the next five years & The King Brothers & Wright make you the most difficult forward proposition in the air in the competition.
Yes long term the #1 & #2 would probably be better players, but they will not help the suns in their development IMO.
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Max King to the Suns....there is more chance of the Pope converting to Islam. B King will be at the Saints within 2-3 years.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 5:55pmI spend about 30% of my time on GC and see a fair bit of the Suns.
They have talent but lack leadership and future direction.
They will be successful long term as the GC is becoming a junior AFL football region, its overtaken league & union in local junior ranks.
GC also sign up any talented athlete to their footy academy, even if you are not a current player.
I have a son who has an offer to join the GC academy and he has not played club football for 4 seasons.
When they get a priority pick this year I would not draft with it, they cant retain or develop the picks well enough.
They will have #1 & #2.
I'd swap Lukoscious & #1 & #2 to Adelaide for the Crouch brothers and Adelaides 2 X first round picks #4 & #9.
I'd then swap #4 & #9 to the Saints for Max King.
FA - Brandon Ellis & Jack Newnes
In: Crouch + Crouch + King + Ellis + Newnes
Out: Lukoscious + #1 & #2
I'd then look to bundle up #21 + pick for Jack Martin to get another decent mature hard bodied mid or two say Zak Jones and Luke Dunstan.
The Crouch brothers immediately sure up your make your midfield for the next five years & The King Brothers & Wright make you the most difficult forward proposition in the air in the competition.
Yes long term the #1 & #2 would probably be better players, but they will not help the suns in their development IMO.
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Who suggested Max King would go to the Suns?johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 5:58pmMax King to the Suns....there is more chance of the Pope converting to Islam. B King will be at the Saints within 2-3 years.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 5:55pmI spend about 30% of my time on GC and see a fair bit of the Suns.
They have talent but lack leadership and future direction.
They will be successful long term as the GC is becoming a junior AFL football region, its overtaken league & union in local junior ranks.
GC also sign up any talented athlete to their footy academy, even if you are not a current player.
I have a son who has an offer to join the GC academy and he has not played club football for 4 seasons.
When they get a priority pick this year I would not draft with it, they cant retain or develop the picks well enough.
They will have #1 & #2.
I'd swap Lukoscious & #1 & #2 to Adelaide for the Crouch brothers and Adelaides 2 X first round picks #4 & #9.
I'd then swap #4 & #9 to the Saints for Max King.
FA - Brandon Ellis & Jack Newnes
In: Crouch + Crouch + King + Ellis + Newnes
Out: Lukoscious + #1 & #2
I'd then look to bundle up #21 + pick for Jack Martin to get another decent mature hard bodied mid or two say Zak Jones and Luke Dunstan.
The Crouch brothers immediately sure up your make your midfield for the next five years & The King Brothers & Wright make you the most difficult forward proposition in the air in the competition.
Yes long term the #1 & #2 would probably be better players, but they will not help the suns in their development IMO.
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Well put together Joffa, makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight into the GC landscape. Let's hope they have that light bulb moment after Ben King has found his way to Moorabbin.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 5:55pmI spend about 30% of my time on GC and see a fair bit of the Suns.
They have talent but lack leadership and future direction.
They will be successful long term as the GC is becoming a junior AFL football region, its overtaken league & union in local junior ranks.
GC also sign up any talented athlete to their footy academy, even if you are not a current player.
I have a son who has an offer to join the GC academy and he has not played club football for 4 seasons.
When they get a priority pick this year I would not draft with it, they cant retain or develop the picks well enough.
They will have #1 & #2.
I'd swap Lukoscious & #1 & #2 to Adelaide for the Crouch brothers and Adelaides 2 X first round picks #4 & #9.
I'd then swap #4 & #9 to the Saints for Max King.
FA - Brandon Ellis & Jack Newnes
In: Crouch + Crouch + King + Ellis + Newnes
Out: Lukoscious + #1 & #2
I'd then look to bundle up #21 + pick for Jack Martin to get another decent mature hard bodied mid or two say Zak Jones and Luke Dunstan.
The Crouch brothers immediately sure up your make your midfield for the next five years & The King Brothers & Wright make you the most difficult forward proposition in the air in the competition.
Yes long term the #1 & #2 would probably be better players, but they will not help the suns in their development IMO.
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Still a big chance to land him.silverhalo wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 7:13pm Alex Keath would be a great get and walk up start in our best 22, no doubt about it.
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Fingers crossedjohnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 7:37pmStill a big chance to land him.silverhalo wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 7:13pm Alex Keath would be a great get and walk up start in our best 22, no doubt about it.
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Isn’t Alex Keath a tall intercept marking defender
Haven’t we got a few of those already?
We seriously have no idea how to put together a team
Haven’t we got a few of those already?
We seriously have no idea how to put together a team
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Clearly haven’t seen him play. Go and take a look at the game he played against us at Marvel this year. Destroyed us and got 3 votes. Would be a great acquisition to a backline that is sub par.
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I'm well versed in Qld footy and you are dead right about the suns list building nicely. They will/are getting significant assistance to not stufff this rebuild up and so expect them to be very strong within 5 years. I'm also led to believe there is a chance Max will move to the GC before Ben comes to StKilda.
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It’s sub par because it’s desiged to have Robbo, Gears and Webster as running rebound defenders which didn’t happen in 2019
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No way. King will be our best player within 5 years. He is that good. He will make Bruce look ordinary. Ultra quality key forwards are very hard to find...like Riewoldt.
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GC would be laughed out if the competition.
#1 & #2 for a guy GC didn’t rate top 2 last year and Is yet to play a game after a knee reco.
If they offered it I’d grab it in a heartbeat.
Would be Saints best ever trade and the nail in the GC coffin.
I agree grabbing King would be a great retention tool for GC but 1 & 2 couldn’t happen. I prey it does
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Now this is getting more sensible. Max King to the Gold Coast has been floated by the club from a very reliable source I have close to the GCS. Not for two high picks as you suggest but definitely 2 first rounders.
The twins get to play together and the Saints get to pull in much higher end midfilders.
The Saints get to demonstrate they are willing to be cold and emotionless in thier approach to strengthening the list and winning a flag.
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Rumours doing the rounds Suns are offering Pick 2 to Crows for Crouch. Could really happen.
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I toured Metricon last Thursday with my son, also spoke at length with their development officers.Pundit wrote: ↑Wed 25 Sep 2019 11:07amNow this is getting more sensible. Max King to the Gold Coast has been floated by the club from a very reliable source I have close to the GCS. Not for two high picks as you suggest but definitely 2 first rounders.
The twins get to play together and the Saints get to pull in much higher end midfilders.
The Saints get to demonstrate they are willing to be cold and emotionless in thier approach to strengthening the list and winning a flag.
They are confident of getting #2 and know who they will draft with #1. #2 definitely on the table for trading.
Their development net is spread through the whole coast and any athlete in any sport who could convert to AFL gets an academy offer.
I reckon they’d part with #2 for Max or do a deal with Adelaide for their two first rounders but #1 will not be involved.
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It won't surprise me if Max is the shock trade. What did you think of Metricon and the facilities around the ground?Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Wed 25 Sep 2019 11:16amI toured Metricon last Thursday with my son, also spoke at length with their development officers.Pundit wrote: ↑Wed 25 Sep 2019 11:07amNow this is getting more sensible. Max King to the Gold Coast has been floated by the club from a very reliable source I have close to the GCS. Not for two high picks as you suggest but definitely 2 first rounders.
The twins get to play together and the Saints get to pull in much higher end midfilders.
The Saints get to demonstrate they are willing to be cold and emotionless in thier approach to strengthening the list and winning a flag.
They are confident of getting #2 and know who they will draft with #1. #2 definitely on the table for trading.
Their development net is spread through the whole coast and any athlete in any sport who could convert to AFL gets an academy offer.
I reckon they’d part with #2 for Max or do a deal with Adelaide for their two first rounders but #1 will not be involved.