Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
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Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Remind me again when he was All Australian.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Should have been this year. Many experts agree. He is a true winger.Cordz2 wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 8:26pmRemind me again when he was All Australian.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
ack. swap picks - pick 10-15 sounds a lot fairer. but get him.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Why would GWS do that? Swans will just call out Green's name and the GWS are forced to use Pick 5 on Green.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
If GWS are going swap down the order they would be much more likely to go fora lower pick.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
That would be difficult...but I can remind you that he was a triple premiership player and a recent Best and Fairest winner.Cordz2 wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 8:26pmRemind me again when he was All Australian.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Fair call for Freo id want as much as i could get as well but we should play hard ball to a degree. If we give away the pick and dont get a pick back i think our first pick is 55 at present. that is a long way away
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
I'd be happier to split that pick 5 into 2 picks in the high teens - one goes to Freo and we give them Blake Acres as well.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Agree. As much as I'd love to keep pick 5 I think we need to say goodbye and hope there's something coming back.
I thought the Hawks may have overpaid when they drafted Shaun Burgoyne. I hope Hill is our Silk.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Just do it
If they want Pick 5, which we have, just do it
To play games and offer up Acres is an abject nonsense
You do not offer up players who win games for you when played in position
The reason Acres is played forward is that none of Ross, Steele or Dunstan can play as a front 6 and that fact has been detrimental to both Acres and to St Kilda
If they want Pick 5, which we have, just do it
To play games and offer up Acres is an abject nonsense
You do not offer up players who win games for you when played in position
The reason Acres is played forward is that none of Ross, Steele or Dunstan can play as a front 6 and that fact has been detrimental to both Acres and to St Kilda
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Split the pick.
Then worry about negotiating with Freo.
Don’t understand why some clubs like to conduct negotiations through the media. Freo have been very heavy handed recently... Twisting GC for pick 2 for Weller and the whole Hogan (releasing a statement he wasn’t wanted anymore) have been very direct tactics.
Then worry about negotiating with Freo.
Don’t understand why some clubs like to conduct negotiations through the media. Freo have been very heavy handed recently... Twisting GC for pick 2 for Weller and the whole Hogan (releasing a statement he wasn’t wanted anymore) have been very direct tactics.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
It was that stubbornness with Carlisle and pick 5 that got us a late first rounder which netted Gresham.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
At the time, the media were telling us to just get the deal done and not to be greedy. Then the white powder and WADA banned happened. By the time he finally started playing for us and was taking time to hit his stride, the media started criticising us for “paying overs” on Carlisle.
Thank god we had Gresh as the sweetener.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
The article that hasn’t been quoted by Johnny parky Ted flamingo (a classic move by this guy) doesn’t actually quote either club
So whilst it states freo are demanding pick 5 it’s all made up at this stage!
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So whilst it states freo are demanding pick 5 it’s all made up at this stage!
Classic stuff
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
I'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Give us a spell. Seriously.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 9:25amI'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
5 for Hill AND 24? Free are not stupid. If you want 24 then a player like Acres is in the deal. Not worth pick 24 currently so getting 24 for him is getting a little back on giving 5 for Hill.
We should only do that if we need 24 for Zac Jones.
Otherwise 5 for Hill and a future second or third looks likely as Freo only has junk picks after 24.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
We'll have to see how the cookie crumbles there but Freo are being too agressive demanding just 5. Don't blame them but it's a bit too much as an after thought.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 9:32amGive us a spell. Seriously.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 9:25amI'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
5 for Hill AND 24? Free are not stupid. If you want 24 then a player like Acres is in the deal. Not worth pick 24 currently so getting 24 for him is getting a little back on giving 5 for Hill.
We should only do that if we need 24 for Zac Jones.
Otherwise 5 for Hill and a future second or third looks likely as Freo only has junk picks after 24.
Something has to come back to Moorabbin besides Hill.
Happy for Acres to go in some deal also. He is average. Not a bad footballer but he will never be an A grade talent at he will float between a B and C level. Simply lacks the footy nous and skills.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
if we flick Acres , we’ll regret it.
if we flick him as steak knives ,
we are idiots.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Thank god you are no where near our negotiating table.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
Almost. We got Carlisle and Gresham for pick 5 AND pick 24. A first and second round paid. Still a great deal for all parties involved, one of the fairest.Spinner wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 10:10amThank god you are no where near our negotiating table.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.
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Re: Dockers want pick 5 for Hill
100%.Spinner wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 10:10amThank god you are no where near our negotiating table.kalsaint wrote: ↑Fri 13 Sep 2019 1:36amSplitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.johnnyrayflamingo wrote: ↑Thu 12 Sep 2019 7:43pm The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.
I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.
Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.
Interesting times.
As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.
Let's split 5 for 11 and 13. Pick 11 should be enough to get it done.
Rubbish. We are in the strongest position. An unhappy player wants to play at our club.We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter.
Fremantle can't afford to to risk Brad Hill sitting out a year, or going at 50% while he plays out his contract.
They picked him up for a second round pick, paid him fairly moderately, enjoyed his best years, and now will gain handsomely from his services. It's an unbelievable win for them.
If we can split or Pick 5 and offer them something around the 10-12 mark, we should stay incredibly strong on that. Quite frankly, if they don't want that, they can get stuffed - Brad Hill won't make or break this club.
Looking at the top five prospects this year, there's huge talent there, and they can deliver 13+ years of service. Effectively, we are giving up a 250-game player.
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