Lethlean? Genius or Stark Raving Mad this trade period?

[takeaway]

Perhaps he shouldn't micro manage and just trust people to do their job

Hope he doesn't make a habit of standing around near the huddles or sitting over peoples shoulder

Why?

[Scollop]

What's his area of expertise? Is he going to rate a quarter time address by listening to what the coach says or should he sit back and rate the coach on how the team plays and their quarter by quarter results?

[takeaway]

What's his area of expertise? Is he going to rate a quarter time address by listening to what the coach says or should he sit back and rate the coach on how the team plays and their quarter by quarter results?

What's all this "rating" business? Is he a valuer? Do coaches/players get assessed with a "rating" after every match on a spreadsheet? Just quite normal involvement by a General Manager of Football as I see it.

[terry smith rules]

OUT
Carlisle, Lonie, Newnes, Acres, Bruce, Steven, Webster

IN
BKing, Tomlinson, Constable, BHill, ZJones, PRyder

Our lineup becomes more skillful, has proper ruck, tougher.

This team will play finals all thing considered
Change up positions.

Geary Tomlinson Coffield
Clark Battle Wilkie
ZJones Ross BHill
Billings BKing Kent
Gresham MKing Membrey

Marshal Steele, Hanneberry

Ryder, Long, Paton, Constable

If you really think this it shows how little footy you actually watch

BKing May be a gun who knows
Tomlinson is a bit player at best and does not have size to play fb
Constable. Who knows... lot of hype that is all
Hill ... yes
Zjones speed but appalling disposal
Ryder 32 yo ruckman,yeah right that’ll work

Then you want a forward line with 2 kings , who maybe great but at this stage will get snapped in half with no protection

Ffs

[CQ SAINT]

OUT
Carlisle, Lonie, Newnes, Acres, Bruce, Steven, Webster

IN
BKing, Tomlinson, Constable, BHill, ZJones, PRyder

Our lineup becomes more skillful, has proper ruck, tougher.

This team will play finals all thing considered
Change up positions.

Geary Tomlinson Coffield
Clark Battle Wilkie
ZJones Ross BHill
Billings BKing Kent
Gresham MKing Membrey

Marshal Steele, Hanneberry

Ryder, Long, Paton, Constable

If you really think this it shows how little footy you actually watch

BKing May be a gun who knows
Tomlinson is a bit player at best and does not have size to play fb
Constable. Who knows... lot of hype that is all
Hill ... yes
Zjones speed but appalling disposal
Ryder 32 yo ruckman,yeah right that’ll work

Then you want a forward line with 2 kings , who maybe great but at this stage will get snapped in half with no protection

Ffs

If Steven, Bruce, Carlisle and Acres go, and they just might, and Ryder King Hill Constable and Tomlinson come in, I think we will see Marshall being the one to replace Bruce not B.King.

Geary Brown Wilkie
Clark Battle Savage
Hill Steele Tomlinson
Billings Marshall Hind
Gresham Max Membrey

Ryder Ross Hannerbery

Dunstan Paton Constable Coffield

Now it may be madness to think that Marshall would be relegated to second ruck but we have not seen him at CHF.
Tomlinson adds a huge versatility through the middle, and with a good game plan, we could see Ryder fall back into a defensive intercepting role while Tomlinson and Marshall roam the middle, wings and deep forward line as tall marking ruck rovers.

We lose some mobility with Ryder but we won't lose as many taps to advantage and what he does know how to do is position himself well.

Tomlinson rolls forward into a key position when Ryder rests and we move a quicker player to the wing and King leads high. Max King can't be ignored and is fairly mobile, so he will demand a 1st or 2nd KPD, same with Marshall. This should free up Membrey a little more.

This all buys B.King, Bytel, Clav, Langlands and Biggy time to shape their craft at Sandy.

I assume Biggy and B.King will be our development rucks and they already shape up as very versatile and long term prospects with the Prospect.

If Roberton comes back he or Marsh will push Brown out while Clav develops more strength. We won't be able to cover beast like forwards but we may control midfield play better than we have.

[st.byron]

I assume Biggy and B.King will be our development rucks and they already shape up as very versatile and long term prospects with the Prospect.

If Roberton comes back he or Marshall will push Brown out while Clav develops more strength. We won't be able to cover beast like forwards but we may control midfield play better than we have.

Can you tell me who is Biggy?

[CQ SAINT]

I assume Biggy and B.King will be our development rucks and they already shape up as very versatile and long term prospects with the Prospect.

If Roberton comes back he or Marshall will push Brown out while Clav develops more strength. We won't be able to cover beast like forwards but we may control midfield play better than we have.

Can you tell me who is Biggy?

Biggy Nyuon. Next Generation Academy.

[samuraisaint]

Funnily enough Moneyball was on TV last night.
It showed just how well recruiters and list managers, as well as data analysts need to be in synch with head coaches for the whole process to work.

[CQ SAINT]

Funnily enough Moneyball was on TV last night.
It showed just how well recruiters and list managers, as well as data analysts need to be in synch with head coaches for the whole process to work.

And just how heartless and devoid of loyalty professional sport has to be.

[mr six o'clock]

Mad raver !
Geniuses don't get caught with their pants down.............or do they ?
In a brilliant double bluff
touché simon !

[older saint]

Funnily enough Moneyball was on TV last night.
It showed just how well recruiters and list managers, as well as data analysts need to be in synch with head coaches for the whole process to work.

really like the movie, however also shows how the Oakland A's never won anything using this theory, just made them competitive on a smaller budget. with salary cap and minimum spends not as relevant in AFL but they all currently get caught up with Champion Data stats etc. These have a place but pretty sure backing into a pack, or placing a block or anything else not stat based doesn't get a mention.

[Beno88]

We have got to change things UP!
We are BOTTOM 4 and have been for years!

We have finished bottom 4 once in the last five years.

[asiu]

We have got to change things UP!
We are BOTTOM 4 and have been for years!

We have finished bottom 4 once in the last five years.

in the carpentry trade
we’d call that , a slight technical f*** up.

or
its’s only short on one end
if the women folk are within hearing distance

the ‘feels like we have’ factor is high though



on the other issue

banger lenny + ratts ... running the show
together

would be a paradigm shift

out with vanilla
in with adventure , bravery , vision ‘n commonsense
(possibly)

or a cluster of f***
if ‘ego’ gets in the way

[saintsRrising]

Well with Keath (27 yes 7 months) touring the club yesterday, Ryder (31 years 5 months), Hill (26 years 1 month) and Tomlinson ( 26 yrs) all actively being chased and with both Bruce and Carlisle on the trade table it very much seems that the plan is:

1/ To have large change
2/ To not just chase youth now, but rather to achieve an age and experienced balance list

Club clearly wants to try and be competitive in 2020 and will pursue rebuilding/rejigging the list by swapping out experienced players mainly for other experienced players. This may also be for pics to swap for other players.

Keath would seem to be a play to swap out Carlisle to achieve Keath plus a pick or another player back.

Bruce is hopefully a play where the Dogs pay overs with picks/players back. If a pick to then be on traded for a Couch etc.

Steven we will get unders for as his market value has dropped and may be steak knives in a 3 way deal for Hill, or possibly a swap for Constable or another fringe player.

Acres would seem set to go. Certainly it would be surprising if all of Acres, Dunstan and Ross are on the list next year. Though having set that Dunstan and Ross will go better in 2020 if they havea Hill to feed.

Ratten beat the drum on ballskills, and so it will be interesting to see how this is addressed in the trade/draft period. Surely Acres, Ross and Dunstan would all have to looked at.

[Spinner]

Let’s hope genius.

[saintsRrising]

Let’s hope genius.

For him to achieve that I think key planks would be:

- securing Hill without paying overs
- trading Carlisle for significantly more than acquiring Keath and not just a second rounder
- trading Bruce for a good deal

[barneyboyz]

Let’s hope genius.

For him to achieve that I think key planks would be:

- securing Hill without paying overs
- trading Carlisle for significantly more than acquiring Keath and not just a second rounder
- trading Bruce for a good deal

Would you be happy with the first two and keeping Bruce? All of Bruce, Membrey, King and dare I say it? Paddy will substantially benefit from the Hill trade alone. They would already have his locker moved nearby and some champagne on ice

[johnnyrayflamingo]

Genius

[saintsRrising]

Would you be happy with the first two and keeping Bruce? All of Bruce, Membrey, King and dare I say it? Paddy will substantially benefit from the Hill trade alone. They would already have his locker moved nearby and some champagne on ice

Bruce I would be happy to keep. However I think that they are open to trading him in order to gain the pick required for another quality mid in addition to the mid Hill.

Paddy would take a miracle. Plus with his history, he will probably get concussed again.

[Ghost Like]

This all buys B.King, Bytel, Clav, Langlands and Biggy time to shape their craft at Sandy.

Makes for interesting reading but what made me smile was B King needing to shape his craft. There's a fair argument to suggest his development is well ahead of M King's.

If we somehow become blessed to have both Kings, I'm confident we can get away with playing both in the forward line for a few years before either find themselves rucking...Ben can play some games down back for giggles and opponents like Brown & Daniher.

All makes for interesting reading, even if we only get half of the players linked to us.

However, if we get Hill & Jones then I cannot see Ross, Dunstan & Hannebery in the same side. Steele is a lock because he has the discipline & competitiveness to tag & also, I hope, the captaincy.

[CQ SAINT]

This all buys B.King, Bytel, Clav, Langlands and Biggy time to shape their craft at Sandy.

Makes for interesting reading but what made me smile was B King needing to shape his craft. There's a fair argument to suggest his development is well ahead of M King's.

If we somehow become blessed to have both Kings, I'm confident we can get away with playing both in the forward line for a few years before either find themselves rucking...Ben can play some games down back for giggles and opponents like Brown & Daniher.

All makes for interesting reading, even if we only get half of the players linked to us.

However, if we get Hill & Jones then I cannot see Ross, Dunstan & Hannebery in the same side. Steele is a lock because he has the discipline & competitiveness to tag & also, I hope, the captaincy.

Max or Ben at FF, not really fussed. No rucking for Max King with recent knee and now foot issues though. I wouldn't play both in key roles yet but maybe you might want to find forward roles for both at once but my point is that one tall forward would need to ruck. The club seems keen on Ryder and may trade Bruce.
In that team it was Marshall. Don't think there is room for Marshall 2 Kings and Membrey in the same forward line but if you think so then maybe.
This is just speculation, you know that right.
It is discussion on possibilities. Jones would be ok but he isn't in that team and less likely than Hill and Tomlinson.
Knock yourself out and pretend for a while, you've got nothing to lose. I'm not sure what the club is doing, just guessing. Lol.
I thought I'd pretend that Ben and Rowan could be a very exciting forward/ruck combo for the next 10 - 12 years. Hence the development in the VFL. Glad I made you smile.