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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Jake Carlisle...important player...but...too easily frustrated and sucked in.
Loved the way BR handled him. Straight off & on the phone. Then a beeline to him at 3/4 time to double down on the chat, reassure & refocus.
Very important to our structure moving into and past 2020.
Loved the way BR handled him. Straight off & on the phone. Then a beeline to him at 3/4 time to double down on the chat, reassure & refocus.
Very important to our structure moving into and past 2020.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
He didn't have pre season so I'll give him 4 weeks to get going, starting with the Geelong game.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 3:34pmWe lost the first four games when he came back.HighettMan wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 2:43pm Is it coincidence that we started playing better when we added an A grader to the team. We've missed him big time.
Love that he brings a bit of swagger, it clearly rubs off on his teammates
Maybe it’s Langlands.
Have the courage to call out r ACE ism
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Good post Ghosty.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 4:11pm Jake Carlisle...important player...but...too easily frustrated and sucked in.
Loved the way BR handled him. Straight off & on the phone. Then a beeline to him at 3/4 time to double down on the chat, reassure & refocus.
Very important to our structure moving into and past 2020.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
The interesting thing about Jake last night and possibly BR missed something was Melbourne's use of Lewis. Hopefully someone knows the answer.
Lewis used as a defensive forward, why wouldn't Jake pick someone else up and another Saint defender roll on to Lewis? I thought defenders dictate their opponent?
Just struck me Jake seemed at sea with it all. Whether he took it too easy and misjudged the experience and nous of Lewis.
Lewis used as a defensive forward, why wouldn't Jake pick someone else up and another Saint defender roll on to Lewis? I thought defenders dictate their opponent?
Just struck me Jake seemed at sea with it all. Whether he took it too easy and misjudged the experience and nous of Lewis.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
I wondered that myself... thought it wasn't a good match up for him as Lewis might have a bit too much run. Who else could have played on him?Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 7:16pm The interesting thing about Jake last night and possibly BR missed something was Melbourne's use of Lewis. Hopefully someone knows the answer.
Lewis used as a defensive forward, why wouldn't Jake pick someone else up and another Saint defender roll on to Lewis? I thought defenders dictate their opponent?
Just struck me Jake seemed at sea with it all. Whether he took it too easy and misjudged the experience and nous of Lewis.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
As I have mentioned before, THE most important player to our structure
He also brings leadership to our young defensive unit which includes Paton, Coffield and Clark (acknowledging Wilkie’s SANFL experience) and was dictating who went to who - so leaving himself where he was left and perhaps to negate the experience advantage with the Melbourne player
The Melbourne players were paying attention to him - an after goal altercation involving Carlisle seeing Marshall with a free kick from the next Centre bounce
One question is given free kicks for after goal altercations why weren’t St Kilda given a free kick in the goal square as Melbourne were?
Marshall got his free from the centre
Anyway, Carlisle again played well noting the absence of a pre-season and having only played the last month having missed at least half the actual season
Will only get better
He also brings leadership to our young defensive unit which includes Paton, Coffield and Clark (acknowledging Wilkie’s SANFL experience) and was dictating who went to who - so leaving himself where he was left and perhaps to negate the experience advantage with the Melbourne player
The Melbourne players were paying attention to him - an after goal altercation involving Carlisle seeing Marshall with a free kick from the next Centre bounce
One question is given free kicks for after goal altercations why weren’t St Kilda given a free kick in the goal square as Melbourne were?
Marshall got his free from the centre
Anyway, Carlisle again played well noting the absence of a pre-season and having only played the last month having missed at least half the actual season
Will only get better
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
I don't know but as Lewis was given that specific job I'm not sure that matters as Jake with two forwards plus whoever from St Kilda. The goal for any forward line is to create separation and have one on ones.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 7:39pmI wondered that myself... thought it wasn't a good match up for him as Lewis might have a bit too much run. Who else could have played on him?Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 7:16pm The interesting thing about Jake last night and possibly BR missed something was Melbourne's use of Lewis. Hopefully someone knows the answer.
Lewis used as a defensive forward, why wouldn't Jake pick someone else up and another Saint defender roll on to Lewis? I thought defenders dictate their opponent?
Just struck me Jake seemed at sea with it all. Whether he took it too easy and misjudged the experience and nous of Lewis.
I guess I don't know why that played out so effectively for Melbourne and to Jake's detriment.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Interesting. They put a tag on one of our defenders. I guess that’s why Ratts moved him forward for a stretch. Try to shake the tag.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 7:16pm The interesting thing about Jake last night and possibly BR missed something was Melbourne's use of Lewis. Hopefully someone knows the answer.
Lewis used as a defensive forward, why wouldn't Jake pick someone else up and another Saint defender roll on to Lewis? I thought defenders dictate their opponent?
Just struck me Jake seemed at sea with it all. Whether he took it too easy and misjudged the experience and nous of Lewis.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Definitely needs to be harder. Which would make him a far better footballer. He has enormous ability but he very much picks and chooses. He's certainly not unconditional in his attack on the footy. This myth that's perpetuated that he's some sort of hard man is laughable. Bit like how many used to bang on about Gehrig as being tough. Both LOOK tough and like to snarl, but both were/are pretty soft footballers. Both incredibly gifted players and both were/are extremely important to our team.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 9:21amIn what sense?
He could be just a generally better player? Or that he needs to be harder?
Jake to me, does enough and that's about it. How many times since his arrival at the saints has he taken a game by the scruff of the neck? How many times have we thought, 'Carlisle dominated today?' He's 6'7 with great hands. But he's lazy and he doesn't crash packs. Ever. Exactly like big Frase used to be. I accept him but I find him incredibly frustrating to watch. For some reason I accepted the flaws of the carpet snake more. Throwing a cheap shot that barely connects doesn't make him loose or crazy or scary. Just makes him dumb
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Because a free kick given in that instance is at the place of the free, or the centre, whichever is the more advantageous. Seeing as it was Brown who was thrown to the ground, the free would either be in our backline or the centre. If it was Membrey being thrown to the ground, it would have been in the goal square.To the top wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jul 2019 7:55pm
One question is given free kicks for after goal altercations why weren’t St Kilda given a free kick in the goal square as Melbourne were?
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Incredibly accurate Moods
And good analogy with Frase
Fraser kicked bags of goals which we appreciated, therefore excused his lack of physicality
And good analogy with Frase
Fraser kicked bags of goals which we appreciated, therefore excused his lack of physicality
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
OK, I'm on leave, two weeks off & sadly no flight to Phuket so I've the opportunity to watch a replay of the game.
First up, no denying Jake got sucked in especially by Harrison Petty of all people.
But two elements of defence for why the free kick should not have been paid.
1) Petty shaped up and began to throw a right. No knowing he was going to pull the punch. Fast hands by Carlisle brushed him across his left shoulder.
2) Did not touch his throat, a Melbourne player had blocked the umpires view. Petty realised this and grabbed his throat when the umpire came into view.
The free paid was a guess, should never be done, especially a free that results in a bonus goal. BUT back to my opening line, Jake should be better than that, just dumb and BR likely reinforced that sentiment.
EDITED: Thought McDonald, should never trust channel 7 commentators. Lesson learnt.
First up, no denying Jake got sucked in especially by Harrison Petty of all people.
But two elements of defence for why the free kick should not have been paid.
1) Petty shaped up and began to throw a right. No knowing he was going to pull the punch. Fast hands by Carlisle brushed him across his left shoulder.
2) Did not touch his throat, a Melbourne player had blocked the umpires view. Petty realised this and grabbed his throat when the umpire came into view.
The free paid was a guess, should never be done, especially a free that results in a bonus goal. BUT back to my opening line, Jake should be better than that, just dumb and BR likely reinforced that sentiment.
EDITED: Thought McDonald, should never trust channel 7 commentators. Lesson learnt.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
The guy is a genuine A grader - something that's a little thin on the ground at the Saints.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jul 2019 11:51pmI think he's underrated.
And I also think his return this year after back surgery has been incredible.
Back surgery FFS!!! He's probably going at about 60% fitness.
He can have a fuse, but it's infrequently lit.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
I think he’s got the talent of an A Grader
The output is far from
Like Acres, B White and a few others he is mysteriously overrated... not to say he’s hopeless, he can play... he’s just not as good as Saints fans make him out to be.
Big call, but at times he can be a liability defensively with his lack of effort. I think he is very lazy and a bit soft.
The output is far from
Like Acres, B White and a few others he is mysteriously overrated... not to say he’s hopeless, he can play... he’s just not as good as Saints fans make him out to be.
Big call, but at times he can be a liability defensively with his lack of effort. I think he is very lazy and a bit soft.
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To be fair though....B.M wrote: ↑Tue 30 Jul 2019 8:42pm I think he’s got the talent of an A Grader
The output is far from
Like Acres, B White and a few others he is mysteriously overrated... not to say he’s hopeless, he can play... he’s just not as good as Saints fans make him out to be.
Big call, but at times he can be a liability defensively with his lack of effort. I think he is very lazy and a bit soft.
He's played at CHB in a team that gets slaughtered in the midfield every week. Makes it hard.
And, he's been injured for the past 2 years.
I don't think what we're seeing now, or have seen for the past 18 months is really a true indication of his abilities.
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...not good tonight in SA. He needs a big pre season and to get super fit for 2020. Maybe try slim down a bit too.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
I think he's simply playing like a guy that recovered from back surgery about a month ago.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
I’d get rid of him
Poor attitude, and doesn’t commit to the cause
Poor attitude, and doesn’t commit to the cause
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
some heat of the moment stuff coming out now...he is a keeper and I think you guys know that.
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What would he even be worth?
Interesting. I have a different take on players like this...
If we can’t turn a guy like Carlisle around surely it’s time to shut up shop. Trade a guy that should be an A-Grade player, that has the talent to be an A-Grade and trade him for what?
Pbly a pick to get someone that might have the talent to be an A-Grade player
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Whilst I still believe a fit, switched on Carlisle is a key to our future, the bloke wearing #2 tonight ain't him.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
Isn’t a keeper. Playing like he did in his final season with the Dons.
To the right club in need of bigs - Bulldogs for example. He is worth at least a first.
To the right club in need of bigs - Bulldogs for example. He is worth at least a first.
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Re: Jake Carlisle....good player...but...
If we had other players in form Carlisle would be playing at Sandringham to get a reminder that effort is required.