Should we draft more top up players like last year?
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 639
- Joined: Sat 27 Apr 2019 9:30pm
- Has thanked: 77 times
- Been thanked: 112 times
Should we draft more top up players like last year?
Let’s look at the 4 top ups we drafted:
Parker - started well but has faded. Still a better version of shaggy and a depth player for next 2 seasons.
Young - fast but looks like a dud. Delist end of next year unless he comes good.
Wilkie - very solid and already signed up until end of 2021. Exciting debut year.
Hind - getting better every week, definitely a best 22 player also.
I reckon we should go for another 2 top up’s next year. The 22 to 23 year age bracket is perfect and you can still get a 150 to 200 gamer out of them.
We still need top ups due to effing Pelican and the list mess he helped create
Parker - started well but has faded. Still a better version of shaggy and a depth player for next 2 seasons.
Young - fast but looks like a dud. Delist end of next year unless he comes good.
Wilkie - very solid and already signed up until end of 2021. Exciting debut year.
Hind - getting better every week, definitely a best 22 player also.
I reckon we should go for another 2 top up’s next year. The 22 to 23 year age bracket is perfect and you can still get a 150 to 200 gamer out of them.
We still need top ups due to effing Pelican and the list mess he helped create
- Sainter_Dad
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6285
- Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008 1:04pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1097 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
What do you call a top up player - Topping up for what???
I would refer to them as mature age recruits - Top up implies that we only have them for a short term - in essence they are just players who took a little longer to develop at lower levels.
I would refer to them as mature age recruits - Top up implies that we only have them for a short term - in essence they are just players who took a little longer to develop at lower levels.
“Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever.”
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 675
- Joined: Tue 15 Mar 2016 7:03pm
- Has thanked: 85 times
- Been thanked: 136 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
We should & probably will top up with a back up ruckman
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 639
- Joined: Sat 27 Apr 2019 9:30pm
- Has thanked: 77 times
- Been thanked: 112 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
They are topping up our list that was left in a mess by some idiots that tried to destroy our club.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Fri 02 Aug 2019 10:11am What do you call a top up player - Topping up for what???
I would refer to them as mature age recruits - Top up implies that we only have them for a short term - in essence they are just players who took a little longer to develop at lower levels.
Some clubs can recruit 18 year olds that are instantly best 22 players but that is not our forte (bar The Gresh)
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
I think we recruited quite well last year, King & Bytel are still unknowns but promising. I'm not sure who we missed going for the mature agers, no one stands out and these lads filled a gap in our age demographic.
Cliche but best available, kid or mature ager, happy to let the recruiters continue from last years effort.
Definitely need a mature ruck & a developing ruck. Longer gone, Pierce gone...a glaring hole.
Cliche but best available, kid or mature ager, happy to let the recruiters continue from last years effort.
Definitely need a mature ruck & a developing ruck. Longer gone, Pierce gone...a glaring hole.
- desertsaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10404
- Joined: Sun 27 Apr 2008 2:02pm
- Location: out there
- Has thanked: 186 times
- Been thanked: 701 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
was pelchen responsible for whom we recruited? if so it's part of his mess, if not then how did he stuff us? our list management was a shambles - he provided us with many opportunities to rebuild and get our salary cap in order. then lethlean comes along and in one stupid move stuffs us again.
"The starting point of all achievement is desire. "
- tedtheodorelogan2018
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3022
- Joined: Fri 14 Sep 2018 12:02am
- Has thanked: 559 times
- Been thanked: 452 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
I still think drafting 18 year old kids is the best option 80-90% of the time. They don't have bad habits and can be developed from year 1.
Mature age recruits can instantly come in and play AFL level footy though and many have been unlucky not to be drafted at some point or they weren't committed as a kid. You can find some gems like we did this year in Wilkie.
Mature age recruits can instantly come in and play AFL level footy though and many have been unlucky not to be drafted at some point or they weren't committed as a kid. You can find some gems like we did this year in Wilkie.
Posters that have admitted they were wrong about Hanna's gastro and the club didn't create a cover story.
Total = 1.
Total = 1.
- evertonfc
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7261
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 9:11pm
- Location: 'Quietly Confident' County
- Has thanked: 115 times
- Been thanked: 267 times
- Contact:
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
I'm a big fan of mature aged recruits; largely because our development system has been truly abysmal.
Hind and Wilkie have been two genuine finds.
Look, you don't waste top 40 picks on players who are over 18. But in the 50+ range, I'm very comfortable about hunting state league talent - especially ruckman and defenders, who rely on physical development and look very different at 18 than they do at 22.
Remember, so many 18-year olds are totally immature and have no idea about what they want to do with their lives and have no idea about what it takes to make it.
At the time, I'd have taken Jacob Koschitzke ahead of Matthew Parker, but Parker has been 6.5/10 in his first season. Will he make it? He's a chance. He's got a few tricks. No regrets.
Hind and Wilkie have been two genuine finds.
Look, you don't waste top 40 picks on players who are over 18. But in the 50+ range, I'm very comfortable about hunting state league talent - especially ruckman and defenders, who rely on physical development and look very different at 18 than they do at 22.
Remember, so many 18-year olds are totally immature and have no idea about what they want to do with their lives and have no idea about what it takes to make it.
At the time, I'd have taken Jacob Koschitzke ahead of Matthew Parker, but Parker has been 6.5/10 in his first season. Will he make it? He's a chance. He's got a few tricks. No regrets.
Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.
![Image](http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/684651e21d.jpg)
![Image](http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/684651e21d.jpg)
- Impatient Sainter
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4089
- Joined: Tue 05 Apr 2016 3:30pm
- Has thanked: 2622 times
- Been thanked: 1077 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
Definitely there has been numerous diamonds picked up in the state leagues over the years. I cant believe so many players can dominate against AFL listed players and not get looked at as options. Yet we draft or traded in borderline 18 year olds or other AFL clubs cast offs.
We desperately need midfielders if there are not 10 examples playing in the state leagues Id be very surprised.
We desperately need midfielders if there are not 10 examples playing in the state leagues Id be very surprised.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18579
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1905 times
- Been thanked: 841 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
Wilkie, gun.
Hind, will be a gun.
Parker, will be a gun.
What’s not to like?
Great job by the club to get them on board.
I’m sure there’s some other gems out there, too.
Hind, will be a gun.
Parker, will be a gun.
What’s not to like?
Great job by the club to get them on board.
I’m sure there’s some other gems out there, too.
- asiu
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10313
- Joined: Thu 08 Apr 2010 8:11pm
- Has thanked: 1327 times
- Been thanked: 932 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
i’m a fan
a rest , a pre season
... he could be an absolute legend by the time he hangs up his sandels
+ the maturing aspects of being a young fella
as also mentioned
a rest , a pre season
... he could be an absolute legend by the time he hangs up his sandels
same.
I'm a big fan of mature aged recruits; largely because our development system has been truly abysmal.
+ the maturing aspects of being a young fella
as also mentioned
![Image](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iUpoNBZyaBc/R0zVk-1LCZI/AAAAAAAAAg0/9eeT7D6cnaA/s320/compass-blu-265x220.gif)
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
.tipara waranta kani nina-tu.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1867
- Joined: Fri 28 Oct 2016 11:59pm
- Has thanked: 54 times
- Been thanked: 269 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
We could draft more but it really depends who is available. I havent checked all our picks but I assume we don't have a round two pick because, well it's st Kilda. So first round pick is probably about 5 this year so get best outside midfielder. I don't care if there are more highly rated players, get the best outside mid. Then the pick is 40 odd so it's a lotto after then so not too fussed if we get a draftee or a guy killing it at state level
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18579
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1905 times
- Been thanked: 841 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
There’s got to be a gun mature age ruckman playing in one of the state leagues, surely. I’d be looking there before trying to snare one from another club.
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30089
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1233 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
If you mean players who have been overlooked and may be late bloomers, then yes.
Marshall - Boooom!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wilkie - Has been a great player and is already AFL Level
Hind - looking useful
Parker - could be a player - has all the tools, but needs to work out how to play team football at an AFL level
Young- Looking less likely
That is a pretty good recent hit rate.
Marshall - Boooom!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wilkie - Has been a great player and is already AFL Level
Hind - looking useful
Parker - could be a player - has all the tools, but needs to work out how to play team football at an AFL level
Young- Looking less likely
That is a pretty good recent hit rate.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30089
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1233 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
With no second and third rounders as it stands, but 2 fourths are later then mature agers are likely to again offer great value given that we only have one current pick when the real quality abounds.DJ Higgins wrote: ↑Fri 02 Aug 2019 1:30pm We could draft more but it really depends who is available. I havent checked all our picks but I assume we don't have a round two pick because, well it's st Kilda.
And we may trade that pick for a quality current player from an AFL List.
Gaining more mature agers I think also suits us as we have so many youngish players, and where our list is at development wise.
Last edited by saintsRrising on Fri 02 Aug 2019 6:59pm, edited 1 time in total.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
- Joffa Burns
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7081
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 5:48pm
- Has thanked: 1871 times
- Been thanked: 1570 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
Depth looks solid at the moment, if anything I’d be trying to up grade our picks and get some top end talent via the draft or a trade.
Are we going to find a mature age classy quick mid?
Doubt it, and I don’t think we need more Parker, Young or Wilkie types, though happy we have these guys.
We need quick skillful mids.
Are we going to find a mature age classy quick mid?
Doubt it, and I don’t think we need more Parker, Young or Wilkie types, though happy we have these guys.
We need quick skillful mids.
Proudly assuming the title of forum Oracle and serving as the inaugural Saintsational ‘weak as piss brigade’ President.
- St Chris
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2153
- Joined: Wed 05 Apr 2006 2:20pm
- Has thanked: 4 times
- Been thanked: 41 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
The state leagues have been mined of nearly all of their talent. Between a shallow national draft last year, and the changed rules with injury replacements and the mid year draft, there's not too many diamonds in the rough left.
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3465
- Joined: Fri 29 Oct 2004 1:01pm
- Has thanked: 91 times
- Been thanked: 162 times
Re: Should we draft more top up players like last year?
This is an oddly specific complaint. There are four players from the 2018 drafts who have played every game this year: Sam Walsh, Connor Rozee, Bailey Smith and Callum Wilkie. We have one of them. I would have though that cause for excitement, but apparently not, since he's in his 20s. I don't understand. It's not like we tried to draft guys for an immediate impact and failed. We didn't look at Rozee and Smith and say 'no, we don't want them'. We just preferred King, which should be a perfectly understandable decision, even if you don't agree with it. Bytel was taken with pick 41. The only guys getting regular games taken after him were mature-agers.
It's not like we're struggling for input from younger players either. We currently have three players selected as teenagers from 2017 in the side, plus one each from the 2015 and 2016. Clark, Coffield and Paton all got games as first-year players. Given the number of the current top ball-winners and goal-kickers who played 22 games in their first year is exactly zero, I don't see any need for this 'woe is us, we never get to open our Christmas presents early' mentality. Our kids are going just fine.
Yeah nah pleasing positive