Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
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Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
There are two types of Key defenders
Last line defenders, who defend first, and play man on man... like D.Talia
2nd tall defenders who don’t play as deep. Zone off and intercept, use the ball well... Like J.McGovern
We have 3 tall defenders
Two are better offensive players, better suited to CHB, one is better defensively and better suited to FB
But
We clearly would have both Battle and Carlisle in the side if both available. Which leaves Brown in the VFL and Carlisle in a position he’s not that comfortable... playing last line and defending first. Battle has been developing too well to take him from CHB
Brown is easily the best shut down tall and has experience
Last line defenders, who defend first, and play man on man... like D.Talia
2nd tall defenders who don’t play as deep. Zone off and intercept, use the ball well... Like J.McGovern
We have 3 tall defenders
Two are better offensive players, better suited to CHB, one is better defensively and better suited to FB
But
We clearly would have both Battle and Carlisle in the side if both available. Which leaves Brown in the VFL and Carlisle in a position he’s not that comfortable... playing last line and defending first. Battle has been developing too well to take him from CHB
Brown is easily the best shut down tall and has experience
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Let's take a look at Battle at Full Back. Very good 1 on 1.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
The conundrum is that Brown is still playing very good football. Excellent yesterday.
And obviously you wouldn’t drop Carlisle - or Battle (when fit) for that matter either.
Various possibilities.
You could move Carlisle or Battle forward. Either could hold down second ruck and give Marshall a chop out.
The complication is that eventually we’re probably going to have to find a spot for Max King. Cross that bridge when we come to it, I say.
Anyway, team balance is important, but imo should never stand in the way of getting your best footballers on the park.
Good players, you need to find ways of getting them in.
And obviously you wouldn’t drop Carlisle - or Battle (when fit) for that matter either.
Various possibilities.
You could move Carlisle or Battle forward. Either could hold down second ruck and give Marshall a chop out.
The complication is that eventually we’re probably going to have to find a spot for Max King. Cross that bridge when we come to it, I say.
Anyway, team balance is important, but imo should never stand in the way of getting your best footballers on the park.
Good players, you need to find ways of getting them in.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
B.M wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:20pm Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
Jake was great yesterday, but, really, all players should work as directed by their employer. Standard business practice.
Anyway, the only other option is to drop Brown, who, as I said, is playing good footy.
I’d find a way to get all three in, but - since Battle is out for the season - we don’t have to worry about it until next year
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
I've always felt Battle is the 3rd tall. He only CHB cause Carlisle was out.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:20pm Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
I reckon Battle will be a legitimate star as a HBF who can play tall and intercept. Having Carlisle back in the team was the piece of the puzzle that he needed. IMO.
Remember, Dixon kicked 4 and Dale kicked 5. Paton had his arse handed to him on a plate. He's not ready yet, and I'm not sold he ever will be. Battle would have been an ideal matchup for Dale.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
What makes you think Battle is out for the season?bigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:28pmB.M wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:20pm Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
Jake was great yesterday, but, really, all players should work as directed by their employer. Standard business practice.
Anyway, the only other option is to drop Brown, who, as I said, is playing good footy.
I’d find a way to get all three in, but - since Battle is out for the season - we don’t have to worry about it until next year
Ratten said he would be close to play this week, and Webster also close but after a long break possibly start in the VFL.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
He maybe in the mix for selection as soon as this week.......if not the following weekbigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:28pmB.M wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:20pm Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
Jake was great yesterday, but, really, all players should work as directed by their employer. Standard business practice.
Anyway, the only other option is to drop Brown, who, as I said, is playing good footy.
I’d find a way to get all three in, but - since Battle is out for the season - we don’t have to worry about it until next year
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
longtimesaint wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:43pmWhat makes you think Battle is out for the season?bigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:28pmB.M wrote: ↑Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:20pm Battle Forward is an option, but I think he has been much better at CHB than he would be as a forward. He might be an ok Forward, he has a big tank, can take a grab, good kick and is aggressive. I also think he will ultimately end up a forward.
But at the moment, he is performing well at CHB (an easier position) and moving him is not ideal.
Carlisle doesn’t like playing Forward or ruck.
Jake was great yesterday, but, really, all players should work as directed by their employer. Standard business practice.
Anyway, the only other option is to drop Brown, who, as I said, is playing good footy.
I’d find a way to get all three in, but - since Battle is out for the season - we don’t have to worry about it until next year
Ratten said he would be close to play this week, and Webster also close but after a long break possibly start in the VFL.
Ah, okay. That’s a pleasant surprise. I thought he was long term. Play him half back flank if necessary or move him or Jake forward. I wouldn’t drop either Brown or Carlisle to get him in.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Personally for the year I would keep Brown at FB , Carlisle at CHB (where now he is match fit he is starting to flourish again).
Battle can play as our third tall back and or/ be the tall hit up player on the wing. If the second he can also push forward. Battle sets up the play well and so should be able to play both roles well.
Most likely first game back will be the Crows with Josh Jenkins at FF.
Battle can play as our third tall back and or/ be the tall hit up player on the wing. If the second he can also push forward. Battle sets up the play well and so should be able to play both roles well.
Most likely first game back will be the Crows with Josh Jenkins at FF.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Isn't it nice to have such a problem?
That's a problem that good sides have every week......!
Play Battle forward against sides that struggle with height defensively, play him back against sides that have a lot of forward height
He can be our mr fixit man ... wouldn't hurt his development at all, I think it will quicken it. He's grown in confidence this season
Battle may already have improved enough to try him forward for the remaining games
That's a problem that good sides have every week......!
Play Battle forward against sides that struggle with height defensively, play him back against sides that have a lot of forward height
He can be our mr fixit man ... wouldn't hurt his development at all, I think it will quicken it. He's grown in confidence this season
Battle may already have improved enough to try him forward for the remaining games
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
supersaints2 wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 8:42am Isn't it nice to have such a problem?
That's a problem that good sides have every week......!
Play Battle forward against sides that struggle with height defensively, play him back against sides that have a lot of forward height
He can be our mr fixit man ... wouldn't hurt his development at all, I think it will quicken it. He's grown in confidence this season
Battle may already have improved enough to try him forward for the remaining games
Yes good teams often will have a player that can be used forward or back in games and from week to week.
The marking link man role is also an important role is also a handy asset to have. In recent times this has caused Bruce to run far and wide. And of course "Mr Aerobic" Roo used to do it as part of playing at CHF and then alter as the roving tall wingman that roamed far and wide.
The club is said to be chasing the FA Tomlinson who is of a similar height. Well Battle can IMO play a similar role that Tomlinson can and indeed will probably be better at it.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
My preferred team for the rest of the season (assuming Steven is available but Webster and Hannebery continue their A. Hamill - 2 weeks trend)
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
No Ross? You must be f****** kidding.mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 1:32pm My preferred team for the rest of the season (assuming Steven is available but Webster and Hannebery continue their A. Hamill - 2 weeks trend)
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
What has Battle done as a forward though?mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 1:32pm My preferred team for the rest of the season (assuming Steven is available but Webster and Hannebery continue their A. Hamill - 2 weeks trend)
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
I think he looked very promising early days as a forward.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 3:42pmWhat has Battle done as a forward though?mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 1:32pm My preferred team for the rest of the season (assuming Steven is available but Webster and Hannebery continue their A. Hamill - 2 weeks trend)
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Personally, I thought he looked promising as a footballer, but not as a forward.
Not big enough to be a tall, and quick enough to be a small.
His output as a forward was very underwhelming. Granted he was only a 19yo with a couple of games under his belt.
I really think that the 3rd tall defender role is absolutely made for him.
I don't think he would have made it as a forward.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Don’t think Battle has the agility or ground level skills to play as a medium sized defender, he would get burned by faster, more agile opponents. He is not overly big, but only moves Ike a KPP. Whilst he has a big motor, he is pretty slow.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
And Wilkie is our medium sized defender.
We like Savage across HB, Clarke is playing across HB, Wilkie is back, Coffield is back and then there’s Brown.
McKenzie seems to have lost his spot
Paton is playing as the seventh
We like Savage across HB, Clarke is playing across HB, Wilkie is back, Coffield is back and then there’s Brown.
McKenzie seems to have lost his spot
Paton is playing as the seventh
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
I think Battle is also a potential Forward, but atm he’s performing very well at CHB.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Much easier to find a key defender than a key forward. I think Battle should play forward as soon as possible. Fit others around him. The guy is a gun in the making.CURLY wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 3:55pmI think he looked very promising early days as a forward.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 3:42pmWhat has Battle done as a forward though?mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 1:32pm My preferred team for the rest of the season (assuming Steven is available but Webster and Hannebery continue their A. Hamill - 2 weeks trend)
B: Wilkie, Brown, Coffield
HB: Clark, Carlisle, Savage
C: Billings, Steele, Acres
HF: Parker, Bruce, Steven
F: Lonie, Battle, Membrey
Foll: Marshall, Gresham, Dunstan
Int: Hind, Langlands, Paton, White
Right now Wilkie, Brown and Carlisle are doing a brilliant job in defence. Battle was great as well, but he is the one whose skills in defence can be covered, yet we don't have anyone who can offer what he does in the forward line. I'd love to see us go in with three tall forwards which will also mean our structure doesn't fall to pieces when Bruce has to go into the ruck.
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Re: Battle - Carlisle conundrum?
Like this.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 1:19pmsupersaints2 wrote: ↑Tue 23 Jul 2019 8:42am Isn't it nice to have such a problem?
That's a problem that good sides have every week......!
Play Battle forward against sides that struggle with height defensively, play him back against sides that have a lot of forward height
He can be our mr fixit man ... wouldn't hurt his development at all, I think it will quicken it. He's grown in confidence this season
Battle may already have improved enough to try him forward for the remaining games
Yes good teams often will have player that can be used forward or back in games and from week to week.
The marking link man role is also an important role is also a handy asset to have. In recent times this has caused Bruce to run far and wide. And of course "Mr Aerobic" Roo used to do it as part of playing at CHF and then alter as the roving tall wingman that roamed far and wide.
The club is said to be chasing the FA Tomlinson who is of a similar height. Well Battle can IMO play a similar role that Tomlinson can and indeed will probably be better at it.
Battle could end up being a nightmare for opposition coaches as a link man and then used at both ends, as required. His flexibility could be easily used to disrupt opp game plans and you need to be able to mix things up if things arent working (Plan A) and Battle could be used as a point of difference for either end (Plan B)
By having him play like this would also mean we keep our structure more. Bruce would be able to stay home a bit more, therefore more effective. . There's a reason he takes speckys at the start of the match and not at the end so much. The poor guy is currently running himslf into the ground.
Funny thing is no one was expecting Brown to be having such a great year and Wilkie has been a gift from the heavens. (Seriously how f#$ing good is this guy!?) Fitting someone like Battle in shouldn't be a problem, but now is! This is what depth looks like folks!