Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
A classic Milne-like goal sneak being played out of position by Richo for reasons best known to Richo.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Got to lose the around the corner kicks and distance kicks
Got to coach that out of him
Same with Ross and a few others
Poor skills therefore low % footy
Got to coach that out of him
Same with Ross and a few others
Poor skills therefore low % footy
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Had a crack
Poor field kick, and tries to do to much too much, but it’s way, to take 5he game on.
Poor field kick, and tries to do to much too much, but it’s way, to take 5he game on.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
He's a forward. Yet to see him do anything of value in the middle, no idea why everyone wants him in the middle so badly..?
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
He needs a good kick in the arse every time he kicks it around the corner instead of running straight, a good coach wouldn’t let him get away with it.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
He's been a bit crap lately but surely it's form. Maybe guilty of drinking some of his own bathwater - I'm not sure what the cure is for that. Needs a bit of a wakeup call perhaps.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Yes, if you fluke a Dangerfield or someone like that. But for the most of them it takes time. Fifty to 100 games to really get going.
Gresh will look like a superstar in a better side.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Gresh has played 78 games
Lonies used to try and do too much. Lonie became a better player this year by concentrating more on doing the simple things better.
Gresh needs to do the same. He needs to try and stop doing the ""incredible"" too much. He is like a diver who goes for the maximum degree of difficulty with every dive.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Thought Gresham battled hard last night, surged the footy forward and put his nose over it a bit
Yes, his disposal was average, that’s because he’s a poor kick, and he holds onto the footy too long, inviting pressure too often
Yes, his disposal was average, that’s because he’s a poor kick, and he holds onto the footy too long, inviting pressure too often
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
How exactly will playing a year out of position benefit him going forward? I'd argue it has actually set his development back - he used to impact games but not anymore. Surely a year spent up forward doing what he does best would have been more beneficial.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sat 13 Jul 2019 11:49pm His time as a mid this year will help his game going forward. It will make him more dangerous around goals when we get a better midfield overall. It's his first year as a mid, again...give him a break.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Pretty obvious. Playing as a mid this year would have built up his tank enormously. It will help him be a better forward and a pinch hitting mid. Repeat efforts are a vital for a good small forward.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Remember
Jack Steven and Dan Hannebery are not playing.
Someone has to play through the middle, Ross, Steele, Dunstan can’t spend 120mins in there, and really shouldn’t be in the together anyway.
Who else do you suggest, and if you say Acres or Sinclair you’d be joking. They are struggling at moment, and horribly out of form. Acres is unaccountable and Sinclair can’t find the pill.
Gresham was in there as an offensive mid, to carry the footy and break a line when he get the ball,
Jack Steven and Dan Hannebery are not playing.
Someone has to play through the middle, Ross, Steele, Dunstan can’t spend 120mins in there, and really shouldn’t be in the together anyway.
Who else do you suggest, and if you say Acres or Sinclair you’d be joking. They are struggling at moment, and horribly out of form. Acres is unaccountable and Sinclair can’t find the pill.
Gresham was in there as an offensive mid, to carry the footy and break a line when he get the ball,
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Seeing you’ve used these stats a number of times, can you put them in context.BarryGrogan wrote:Doesn't even average 1 Goal per week.
Doesn't even average 1 Goal Assist per week.
0.3 Tackles Inside 50.
5 Turnovers Per Week.
He came into the club full of class, skill and confidence. He's bereft of all of that now.
Hopefully it's not too late for someone to turn it around with him.
But I fear it is.
These are predominantly forward stats for this year only I assume, while he’s been playing predominantly midfield?
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Acres isn’t given a fair crack at it, constantly played out of position and battling against bigger bodies.B.M wrote: ↑Sun 14 Jul 2019 1:44pm Remember
Jack Steven and Dan Hannebery are not playing.
Someone has to play through the middle, Ross, Steele, Dunstan can’t spend 120mins in there, and really shouldn’t be in the together anyway.
Who else do you suggest, and if you say Acres or Sinclair you’d be joking. They are struggling at moment, and horribly out of form. Acres is unaccountable and Sinclair can’t find the pill.
Gresham was in there as an offensive mid, to carry the footy and break a line when he get the ball,
15 touches from Acres in the middle are worth 30 from either Seb or Gresh.
I have a feeling we’ll see a much different Acres next season under a new coach.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Gresh has a lot of fancy skills, but IMO is over-rated and doesn't do enough over four quarters
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
kosifantutti wrote: ↑Sun 14 Jul 2019 2:33pmSeeing you’ve used these stats a number of times, can you put them in context.BarryGrogan wrote:Doesn't even average 1 Goal per week.
Doesn't even average 1 Goal Assist per week.
0.3 Tackles Inside 50.
5 Turnovers Per Week.
He came into the club full of class, skill and confidence. He's bereft of all of that now.
Hopefully it's not too late for someone to turn it around with him.
But I fear it is.
These are predominantly forward stats for this year only I assume, while he’s been playing predominantly midfield?
2019 | Stat | Career |
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0.8 | Goals per week | 1.1 |
0.6 | Behinds per week | 0.8 |
3.1 | Tackles | 2.7 |
0.3 | Tackles Inside 50 | 0.6 |
0.8 | Goal Assists per week | 0.8 |
4.5 | Inside 50s per week | 3.6 |
5.0 | Turnovers per week | 3.7 |
4.3 | Clangers per week | 2.7 |
This isn't about bagging out Gresham - but I seriously question whether or not he can turn this around? His kicking is just awful.
He is a "quick skillful player who is dangerous goals". That's basically what his LinkedIn profile would say.
But as per above, he's not good around goals. He's not dangerous. He doesn't set up goals, and misses almost as many as he kicks. He doesn't pressure the opposition because he can't tackle, and he isn't quick.
So what is his value to us? Where will the improvement come from?
The simple answer is: his kicking technique. Even from set shots, he holds the ball on a diagonal angle and kicks across his body. As a result, he gets too much of the bottom of the ball and either puts too much backspin on it with no power and too much loft - and/or kicks across it which combined with the angle he's holding it at, draws it sharply in the air to the left.
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He clearly has/had skills. But WTF happened???!
The question for mine isn't can he improve, he must improve. Right now he's simply not much good. The question is whether a new coach can improve him? Or, is it too late? If it's too late - he should be traded immediately whilst he has currency.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
"He has the worst kicking technique I've seen since James Manson"
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
So we sacrifice his best attribute (his ability to conjure up scoring chances) to help him build up a tank for a job he will only be doing, ideally, a fraction of the time. Can't buy that. The need for repeated efforts is a fair point but he can and should learn that playing up forward all, or even most, of the time. We won't win with him as a midfielder so it's a waste of time playing him as one. It's poor player development.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Sun 14 Jul 2019 1:36pm Pretty obvious. Playing as a mid this year would have built up his tank enormously. It will help him be a better forward and a pinch hitting mid. Repeat efforts are a vital for a good small forward.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Negative its negative development. We are berefit of mids if you haven't noticed this year. It has been good for Gresh's development to play mid. In an ideal world he would play as a HF most of the time for goal scoring purposes but we have needed him in the guts this year.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Dud, you overrate Acres massively.
Firstly, he’s not a great kick, so how his possessions are worth two of other players, surely you jest. Can he kick the ball 90m. He kicks floaters, and no one know wtf he is going to do with the footy.
If he’s only getting it 15 times and his opponent was getting it 25+ like most mids, we are -10 in midfield possessions straight away.
Don’t you think he’d be playing in the middle, if he had the capacity.
They do plenty of match sim at training, obviously he doesn’t show enough to get in the engine room.
And whilst you probably look at his offensive capabilities, it’s what he doesn’t do without the footy which is the main reason he doesn’t get time in the centre.
Firstly, he’s not a great kick, so how his possessions are worth two of other players, surely you jest. Can he kick the ball 90m. He kicks floaters, and no one know wtf he is going to do with the footy.
If he’s only getting it 15 times and his opponent was getting it 25+ like most mids, we are -10 in midfield possessions straight away.
Don’t you think he’d be playing in the middle, if he had the capacity.
They do plenty of match sim at training, obviously he doesn’t show enough to get in the engine room.
And whilst you probably look at his offensive capabilities, it’s what he doesn’t do without the footy which is the main reason he doesn’t get time in the centre.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Can we recruit that guy Jesus under the father-son rule and play him in the midfield.
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Exactly!
Nearly all our other younger players have gone back to Sandy and worked on their deficiencies.
Gresham needs to learn to do the high percentage team things rather than trying to be a human highlight reel!
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Re: Gresham: The Quick Skilful Player, that isn't quick and can't kick.
Again I’ve got to disagree and I think you underrate him.B.M wrote: ↑Sun 14 Jul 2019 8:38pm Dud, you overrate Acres massively.
Firstly, he’s not a great kick, so how his possessions are worth two of other players, surely you jest. Can he kick the ball 90m. He kicks floaters, and no one know wtf he is going to do with the footy.
If he’s only getting it 15 times and his opponent was getting it 25+ like most mids, we are -10 in midfield possessions straight away.
Don’t you think he’d be playing in the middle, if he had the capacity.
They do plenty of match sim at training, obviously he doesn’t show enough to get in the engine room.
And whilst you probably look at his offensive capabilities, it’s what he doesn’t do without the footy which is the main reason he doesn’t get time in the centre.
He’s got one of those running styles that looks a bit lazy, kind of like Dal Santo, but I don’t think he is.
Most of our mids just look to get it to the next bloke, while Acres looks to get it to the best option, that’s why he hangs on to it a bit longer than most.
I rate him, you see glimpses every now and then when he does stuff Seb or Dunstan could only dream of, but he’s never given a good run at it.
He’s 191cm and 90kg and it appears Richo has stamped his ticket as a ‘tall’, playing him as a key forward and in the ruck, it’s ridiculous!
He’s a big bodied midfielder, and I think he will thrive under a new coach, whether at our club or another.
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